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| What we say, What we do I think we as a community need to really examine what we say and what we do in the community, on weedtracker, and in the comforts of our own home. It is scary to think that every word, every action, and every bit of borderline drama that surrounds medical marijuana affects each and every one of our daily lives, as safe access will continue to be judged on each and every one of our movements, both individually and collectively as a group. As the "movement" continues to grow in popularity with shows like "Weeds" and others doing pieces on the subject, it becomes more of a hot-button topic that consumes the public's curiosity and the frontline stakeholders all become pieces of the puzzle that is MMJ. We need to understand that any action, great or small, can be misconstrued and blown out of proportion, until it becomes a MAJOR issue. I think things have become a bit lax all over and that it is time to pull in the reigns and figure out how we all can play by the rules. I would hope that ALL dispensary operators plan on going to the ASA Symposium on Friday regarding "Best Practices", as I feel it is important to begin to get us all on the same page regarding what works and does not work within communities, in the media, and in the individual collective and neighborhood communities. Some times I wonder how we have survived this long without all learning to abide by some basic standards. Too often the drama of the day to day "scene" detracts from our real mission, and we are left bickering amongst ourselves, creating a sense of chaos and lack of unity to the public. We are only as good as our worst image and I believe it is important for all of us to begin to see our actions as the small pebble in the pond that becomes the huge circle eventually. We are under a microscope and it is important that we learn to unite and all play by the same rules. The question we need to ask ourselves is: "Do my actions represent the morals and traditions that the spirit of Prop. 215 was meant to embody?" For the most part we all want the same thing: Safe Access to the medication of our choice. We all, patients, caregivers, providers, doctors, lawyers, and even WEEDTRACKERS need to get back to basics and begin to understand what is at stake here: THE FUTURE. |
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Rep Power: 102 | What Michael doesn't say ... everything. Paranoia ... BIG Brother is everywhere. Michael is really laying it on thick here, and without 1) Telling us what it is; 2) Telling us how we are doing it; or 3) Telling us how to "deal" with it properly. "I think we as a community need to really examine what we say and what we do in the community ... and in the comforts of our own home." How can we examine it, when we don't know what you want us to examine? "It is scary to think that every word, every action, and every bit of borderline drama that surrounds medical marijuana affects each and every one of our daily lives, as safe access will continue to be judged on each and every one of our movements, both individually and collectively as a group." What is Borderline drama? It surely does NOT affect my daily life. I quietly medicate, for my illness. "As the "movement" continues to grow in popularity with shows like "Weeds" and others doing pieces on the subject, it becomes more of a hot-button topic that consumes the public's curiosity and the frontline stakeholders all become pieces of the puzzle that is MMJ." I don't even know what this means. "We need to understand that any action, great or small, can be misconstrued and blown out of proportion, until it becomes a MAJOR issue." Do you mean, anytime I take a Dump, it could end up being a MAJOR issue? "I think things have become a bit lax all over and that it is time to pull in the reigns and figure out how we all can play by the rules." What are these Rules? I hope you are going to let us know what they are (sometime). "I would hope that ALL dispensary operators plan on going to the ASA Symposium on Friday regarding "Best Practices", as I feel it is important to begin to get us all on the same page regarding what works and does not work within communities, in the media, and in the individual collective and neighborhood communities." So, is all of this just about trying to get some Co-op-ers to your lecture? Are you just talking about the Cannabis Buyers Clubs? Or to all of us? "Sometimes I wonder how we have survived this long without all learning to abide by some basic standards." Sometimes I wonder why I bothered to read this entire Post. "Too often the drama of the day to day "scene" detracts from our real mission, and we are left bickering amongst ourselves, creating a sense of chaos and lack of unity to the public." What is my REAL mission? I hope it is to keep medicating myself for years to come. "We are only as good as our worst image and I believe it is important for all of us to begin to see our actions as the small pebble in the pond that becomes the huge circle eventually." How do we decide which WeedTracker member has the worst image? So, what should we do with those few "worst" patients here? Maybe shoot them, to save the MM movement. "We are under a microscope and it is important that we learn to unite and all play by the same rules. The question we need to ask ourselves is: "Do my actions represent the morals and traditions that the spirit of Prop. 215 was meant to embody?" " Who's the one with the microscope? What Rules are these? How did you decide which Rules they are? What is the spirit of Prop 215? "For the most part we all want the same thing: Safe Access to the medication of our choice. We all, patients, caregivers, providers, doctors, lawyers, and even WEEDTRACKERS need to get back to basics and begin to understand what is at stake here: THE FUTURE." What are the Basics? How can we "begin to understand" when you're not saying anything? ____________ OK, Michael, could you please be a little more specific. And, please do not pretend to be our Master. Most everyone here wants to do the "right-enough" thing. This OP is sub-standard: Heavy on making us paranoid, and very light on points. Last edited by Solidly-here; 11-28-2006 at 09:36 PM.. |
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| Re: What Michael doesn't say ... everything. To answer your eloquent questions and whimsical responses: How can we examine it, when we don't know what you want us to examine? I believe it clearly states "what we say and what we do." I think it is imortant for the community to reexamine what we as individuals say and do, as they often can lead to misunderstandings within the community at large. What is Borderline drama? It surely does NOT affect my daily life. I quietly medicate, for my illness. Borderline drama is when patients or providers act irresponsibly and create moments of irrationality regarding prices, territory, loyalty, and general disresepect of one another's right to provide and acquire medication as they see fit. This allows us to focus on more detrimental issues such as quality medication, legal and political issues, patient and caregiver support, and the many other vast areas of concern that are in limbo due to an entire communities hesitation to trust one another. It can and will affect your medication and your quiet lifestyle if society begins to see medical marijuana as a joke and it is once again persecuted as a worthless drug with no medicinal value. I don't even know what this means. It means that as this issue becomes more mainstream the public will watch with more scrutiny, and we all can become subject to investigation and probing. Do you mean, anytime I take a Dump, it could end up being a MAJOR issue? Yes, basically. If you took a dump in public and were caught and you spouted off that your "medical marijuana" made you do it, then yes. This too could become a MAJOR issue. What are these Rules? I hope you are going to let us know what they are (sometime). Rule 1- Not everyone is out to get you. Some people are really just trying to help and educate some people. Rule 2- We are in a "medical" movement and need to begin to act accordingly regarding language, presentation, and demeanor. Rule 3- Until we begin to act as a community and respect each other's boundaries and opinions we will be seen as many weak indiivduals that cannot get on the same page. Rule 4- There is no "right" way of doing things, as this movement is still very young, but there are definately things that have not and will not work. Rule 5- The term "rules" is a figurative term that is synonymis with "Doing the right thing." So, is all of this just about trying to get some Co-op-ers to your lecture? Are you just talking about the Cannabis Buyers Clubs? Or to all of us? Actually I have nothing to do with the lecture, but do believe it will be a positive tool for "Medical Dispensing Collectives" to use to make sure that they are not overlooking somethings. In this particular sentence I was speaking to "Collective Operators" but that is because most collectives are where patients become further educated on medicine and the culture surrounding it. Collectives have a wonderful opportunity to be examples to their patients, providers, and community, as they are generally on the frontlines of the battle and leave themselves open for the most scrutiny. Sometimes I wonder why I bothered to read this entire Post. I was wondering the same thing, but I am glad that you did and gave me such a detailed response. Impressive. Just wondering why this post got under your skin so much? What is my REAL mission? I hope it is to keep medicating myself for years to come. I hope that is your mission to but that it would be less egocentric and more hoping the You and Patients Everywhere would be able to medicate freely without fear of prosecution and persecution. That would be all of our collective "real missions" I would hope. How do we decide which WeedTracker member has the worst image? So, what should we do with those few "worst" patients here? Maybe shoot them, to save the MM movement. It is not about anyone person's image, but that each and everyone of us is capable of projecting a negative image with our actions. There is a world outside of WT and I was refering to every aspect of the movement. Let's not be paranoid. What we should do with "ALL" patients here is attempt to educate one another through experience and productive dialogue. It is simple really, but it does not help when we attempt to demean one another with childish inquisitions and petty semantics issues. Who's the one with the microscope? What Rules are these? How did you decide which Rules they are? What is the spirit of Prop 215? Society is the one with the microscope. From law enforcement, to the PTA, to the lady at the grocery store. We are constantly being judged for our choice to go against the mainstream and use alternative therapies for curing our many ailments. Any one of us can remember a time with a boss, or friend, or peer that we felt aprehensive about revealing our need for alternative medication through cannabis therapy. That would be the microscope and as the issue becomes more mainstream there are more people glaring throught the once again figurative microscope. I believe I have already discussed rules, so on to the spirit of Prop. 215. Proposition 215 was authored by Dennis Peron, Todd Mikurya, Dale Gerringer and many others to ensure that Californians that chose to use cannabis theraputically could do so safely without fear of prosecution from the law. Since then many challenges and hurdles have been overcome in the spirit of the bill and many different ways of cultivating, providing, and consuming medication have been expanded and improved upon right here in California. From Brownie Mary to every current dispensary owner that puts their selves in harms way to provide medicine, to every patient that grows medication in fear of having their lives turned upside down because their community may not understand, there is a definitive "Spirit" of Prop. 215 that provides just a small bit of comfort in the struggle to medicate freely. What are the Basics? How can we "begin to understand" when you're not saying anything? I hope I have been able to expand my thoughts to meet your requirements of "something." I think that if you believe that I am not saying anything then you may just not be ready to listen. Sorry if I offended you in any way with my thoughts on the subject. I am simply trying to say that we all, including myself need to examine the way we represent ourselves in public, for we are all a small or large piece of a movement that is often chaotic and divided. OK, Michael, could you please be a little more specific. And, please do not pretend to be our Master. Most everyone here wants to do the "right-enough" thing. This OP is sub-standard: Heavy on making us paranoid, and very light on points. I understand your right to feel as if I am somehow misleading people or attempting to scare them "Big Brother" style, but I am simple trying to educate the multitudes of qualified patients on how to modify some behaviors and norms of our "culture" to better present our needs and wishes as patients in a professional manner. I hope you do not see me as portraying myself as anyone's master. I am far from that. I am guilty in my own ways of not doing my best job of representing the movement at times, and it is some of my own behaviors that lead me to begin this dialogue. This is not meant to make anyone paranoid, but yet to create a conversation about ways we can all improve the message that we as patient, providers and activists project on the world. There is a lot of attention on the movement at this time We all need to be aware of what it is we do and say that can make life difficult on ourselves, our community, and our freedom to medicate how we see fit. Thank you for your interest in my post. I hope I answered your questions and look forward to hearing from you more in depth, as well. |
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| Re: What Michael doesn't say ... everything. Huh? |
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| Re: What Michael doesn't say ... everything. If you had Mexican food, it could become a major issue, yes. :smile2: |
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| Re: What Michael doesn't say ... everything. Agreed. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do A common misconception. The show "Weeds" was never intended to represent medical cannabis, nor did it ever, at any time, during either of the 2 seasons. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do Actually she visits a "Medical Dispensary" in season one after she finds out about it from Kevin Nealon's character. They have a white board in the background and the "Operator" shows her the edible selection. It is almost spooky when seeing a dispensary on prime-time television and seeing how the public interprits our movement. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do ya whe nI saw that and when peter said that she was to take her harvests to a local dispensary for sale not to sell on the street Iwas hoping it would go more medical and help the movement, I was wrong Quote:
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| Re: What we say, What we do Some of the scenes in this clip are pretty bad. Unfortunately I know a couple of operators that really remind me of this guy. All I am saying is that word is getting out and this is the first impression that a lot of people are getting about our cause. Pretty scary. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do They only brought up medical cannabis dispensaies because they could, because they are here. As this show was set in a fictional city but still in California. I guess they wanted to make it more realistic in a way, which seems ironic given the fake city setting, but still....I never got the vibe that they were putting medical cannabis in a bad light or anything. I think they just wrote that into the script because they could. And because some growers and dealers actually do try to sell their harvests to the dispensaries. It's a common thing growers do, so therefore, by seeking to provide an accurate portrayal of a grower in California, they include the role that dispensaries play, into the overall picture. But, to an outsider, like say, someone watching this show in Rhode Island or something, the focus is more on the characters and the storyline, as the show truly is about a mom just trying to get by, take care of her kids, and maintain hey cozy lifestyle. Cannabis just happened to be what she decided to get involoved in to accomplish those things. It's just how the story goes.....that's all. I think. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do I think the problem is that there are many mind-sets when it comes to MMJ. See, some folks, like myself, want to see that ALL MJ is legalized, whether medicinal or not. To that end, those folks are more likely to focus on getting it all legal rather than worry about the access to seriously ill people using it. That's not to say I'm not empathetic to those who are more ill that I am. I most certainly am, and I do not want to see their access removed by anyone at all, so that factors into my actions as well. But it has occured to me that that is another entire faction of MMJ advocates, those who are completely motivated to keep MJ legal for medical users and to promote that agenda. And I'm not adverse to that either. As I said, I want ALL MJ legal. However, as a stoner who first started using MJ as a recreational drug, I cannot completely divorce myself from that pleasure either. Yes, it's a medicine and it helps a lot of things, but it's also a relaxation device. One that is a taboo to a good number of people in this city, county, state and country. DO I smoke medicinally legitimately, yes, yes I do. DO I support the legalization of all MJ, yes, yes I do. Am I going to do something publically to call attention to myself and my family that may jeopardize my PERSONAL FUTURE? No, no I'm not. Other than WeedTRACKER, I try to keep my activities on the down-low for a reason. I now realize I have a LOT to lose with a wife and YOUNG child. Not to mention my wife's family, who if they found out would probably disinherit her, just because what I do is legal. SO while I agree in principle that we should each be responsible for our own actions and attempt to get everything legalized, I cannot agree with the methods that some use to gain that legalization. I'm 100% torn on this subject to be quite honest. The movement is terribly fractured at the moment, and it pains me on a daily basis. At the same time I'm happy that I have safe access to MJ and I want to keep it that way, so to do that I'm going to tow the line and be a good patient, like I've always been. I would ASK that each user of WeedTracker do the same, but I know that's not going to happen, and that in every community there are people you're going to disagree with... I kind of look at this all like the difference between MLK and Malcolm X. I did not approve of the methods that Malcolm X utilized, but I respect the hell out of him for having his convictions. Then again, I just smoked a bowl of OG Kush, Romulan Kief and some nice Hash on top. So I really don't know what's going on. Other than my baby is STILL Crying and my wife can't get her to stop. |
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| Those scenes are not supposed to represent medical cannabis. They just follow the path of this suburban mother who happens to be a grower, and it just shows where a grower might end up, and what they might do. I don't even think any of our actual dispensaries here in California were even involved in the filming of those scenes. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do Yeah, well, I try to be honest all the time. It's the only way I know how to be. You pretty much always know where you stand with me. I tells it as best I can. Sometimes that gets me in trouble because I'm also incredibly blunt (and moody too). It just seems to me that theres a faction who says "It's a medicine, treat it like a medicine and be very serious." And then there's a faction that says "It's a relaxtion device (or WEEEED) enjoy it 'cause it's God's gift to us, damn the medicine part." I'm in the middle. I smoked before it was legal, and if it becomes illegal again I'll smoke it then too. I'll just be a lot more bummed. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do WildWill - Really? Cause I kinda got the impression that they weren't all that sold on the whole MMJ scene. In fact I believe that in a season 2 episode they make the point that you can get a prescription for pretty much anything. Exactly. And that's an accurate portrayal of what's going on. But, it's not like the show focused on dispensaries. 98% of the show had nothing to do with medical cannabis. It was all about the characters and the turns their lives take. Well anyway, that's how I saw it. Everyone is free to disagree though. WildWill - It was odd to see the DEA agent tell Nancy to sell her crops only to the dispensaries because she was small potatoes. I know it's all fiction, but I have to believe there's SOME grains of truth to it. Probably. WildWill - Season two has gone a long way to point out the show is more and more about the ILLEGAL distribution of MJ rather than the legal MMJ communities. Yeah, I know. That's what I was saying really. |
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| Re: What we say, What we do They're both right. I believe it is a sacred herb that should be used with respect.....and in moderation. It IS a gift from whatever higher power is responsible for it. In fact, in my opinion, I think it was especially designed to treat illnesses in humans, by this higher power. Therefore it is a medicine as well. I think those two groups of people are thinking the same thing, they just have different approaches to it; different personalities, therefore different ways of analyzing the same thing. Last edited by Cannabliss; 11-29-2006 at 07:05 PM.. |
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Rep Power: 44980 | Re: What we say, What we do I just think that as medical users we should respect the opportunity we have to purchase cannabis as a medicine. I wouldn't want my actions to potentially jeopardize the rights of other patients. We're in the spotlight now. This spotlight is not going to dim anytime soon and likely will become more intense. We either conduct ourselves as patients or we'll be increasingly pilloried in the media and by law enforcement as opportunistic stoners. And that would be a damn shame. |
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Rep Power: 102 | I don't care what Cops think about Medical Marijuana. Morpheus says: "I wouldn't want my actions to potentially jeopardize the rights of other patients. We're in the spotlight now. This spotlight is not going to dim anytime soon and likely will become more intense." What do you mean: "We're in the spotlight"? The Med Pot thing has been going on for over 10 years. At first, it seemed like everyone was talking about it. Nowadays, it's Old News. Just about the ONLY time I hear about it is when a person wants to open-up a Cannabis Buyers Club. In my opinion, 90% of Californians are used to the fact that there are a few 1000 people in California who smoke Pot, legally. I mean: What's the WORST that could happen if all Medical Pot patients started "acting up"? Since the Med Pot laws were added to the California codes by Proposition, there is NO way that the politicians in Sacramento can take it away. "We either conduct ourselves as patients, or [else] we'll be increasingly pilloried in the media and by law enforcement as opportunistic stoners. And that would be a damn shame." Maybe I am out-of-the-Loop, but I think that the Media is pretty quiet about Med Pot being a "Front" for aging Hippies to keep getting stoned. I read the marijuananews.com (which excerpts articles from newspapers). Most of the anti-Med Pot stories are NOT about patients being stoned. Where are all of these stories? Which newpapers (or magazines) are ones reporting them? I certainly would like to read all of this righteous anger foisted-off onto Cancer patients, AIDS patients, and others with Chronic Pain. And, as far as Law Enforcement thinking that Med Pot patients are just Stoners, who gives a shit what they think? Cops have a distorted view of Reality (I would, too, if I were one). As long as a patient has his State ID card, that Cop can think whatever he wants ... he just CANNOT arrest that patient, OR take-away his Medicine. For the rest of us, we rely on our original Recommendation for protection against Cops who have no sympathy for our plight. |
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| Re: I don't care what Cops think about Medical Marijuana. Well, noone said the entire show of Weeds was based upon medical cannabis, but they have come into our backyard on more than one occasion and let the entire world know what they think about medical marijuana. Didn't the creator even mention WT in a Rolling Stone article or something. Anyway, the moral too the story is that we are under the spotlight now more than ever. True there was some media coverage on the subject ten years ago, but the proliferation of dispensaries and the sometimes less than savory actions of members of this community have brought a new focus to the subject and there is NOW a greater scrutiny than ever before. And if you do not think that some right winger with enough mney and a stick up his ass can create a Proposition that nullifies the current law through another vote of the people then you are wrong. And if we as a community do not do our best to legitimize the effort then even the wonderful people of CA that voted for this ten years ago may think twice before supporting us again. Nothing is written in stone here, so it is important that each and every one of us do our best to create a positive image surrounding MMJ. |
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