[VaporCloud]

A few dispensaries in California have started adopting voluntary 21+ Age requirements, While there is no law in calfiornia stipulating a 21+ requirement for anything having to do with MMJ.

I know that i am a legitimate, responsible, 20-year-old patient, that should have access to the same dispensaries as any other patient, And i feel the 21+ requirement many dispensaries are putting up is Age Discrimination and its mostly due to their seemingly constant fear of high school kids coming in with freinds waiting outside, Angry parents coming in yelling etc, And these are problems to be dealt with, But these fears should IN NO WAY outweigh MY RIGHT to get my medicine from your dispensary, And i feel its not only counter-productive, and discriminatory to do so, but it goes against the very principles one must have to open a compassionate dispensary.

I welcome anyone's thoughts on the subject, If anyone has more information on the topic id love to hear it, I have mostly only heard "i think"'s and "i''m pretty sure"''s and id like to see some solid information on this and opinions from all sides of the MMJ community.

As i have said i will not visit a 21+ dispensary even when i am 25 as its just completely contradictory to the moral's behind medicinal marijuana.

[Steve Zissou]

When it comes down to it, its their business their rules.

I dont mean to sound hositle or negative in anyway when I say this but lighten up a little there are plenty of locations that are 18 and over that serve potent meds and quality prices. Medication that im sure will meet your criteria.

Its perfectly understandable that some of these locations want to weed out a large percentage of a possible incident. Its a risky businnes and the less risky the better for the business I think. Im just happy my medical needs could be met period.

[otisblue]

Call it reducing their exposure to unnecessary risks. Like insurance companies know, the younger the age, the more risk involved.

There are plenty of clubs that do not have this restriction. Maybe you should go there, until you are old enough to meet their rules and regulations.

You are the patient, so you have choices.

[VaporCloud]

I understand, And agree there are many other places that have great medication, but A few of my past favorite spots have implemented such a regulation, And its not my personal well being im looking out for, its the principal.

And as far as "its their business their rules" thats just not so,

As i said, they are allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason EXCEPT FOR age, race, etc. as that is DISCRIMINATION, i agree that there are problems to be taken care of but to just say anyone 18-21 is unable to get medication here is unacceptable to me.

[MMI]

Pain and suffering does not discriminate,And let me tell you if one of my kids comes down with cancer or some other type of ailment,And medical marijuana would help them ease their pain and suffering and possibly cure them,That is what my child would be taking for medication,And I would not listen nor want anybody telling me that my child does not have as much right to their medication that helps them ease their pain and suffering and possibly help them be cured with a natural herb, As someone 21 and over does,Just because your under 21 does not mean you should live with the pain and suffering,If your under 21 and you catch an ailment what do you think your family doctor is gonna give your child perscription narcotics,So what the hell is the difference,You call it, organ eating narcotics or natural herbs,The law does not state you have to be 21 or over to have access to medical marijuana,Correct me if I'm wrong peace all from D at MMI

[dwynn8822]

Well said "D", I agree 100% Doctors prescribe Opiates for young people EVERYDAY, If a child breaks his/her leg/arm whatever do you as a parent deny your child tylenol with codiene or vicodin? I think not! Although this can be a slipery slope, it needs to be addressed and part of the "Charter" to be adopted, my pennies worth Peace............... Dale!

Originally Posted by MMI

Pain and suffering does not discriminate,And let me tell you if one of my kids comes down with cancer or some other type of ailment,And medical marijuana would help them ease their pain and suffering and possibly cure them,That is what my child would be taking for medication,And I would not listen nor want anybody telling me that my child does not have as much right to their medication that helps them ease their pain and suffering and possibly help them be cured with a natural herb, As someone 21 and over does,Just because your under 21 does not mean you should live with the pain and suffering,If your under 21 and you catch an ailment what do you think your family doctor is gonna give your child perscription narcotics,So what the hell is the difference,You call it, organ eating narcotics or natural herbs,The law does not state you have to be 21 or over to have access to medical marijuana,Correct me if I'm wrong peace all from D at MMI

[VaporCloud]

100% Agreed My Friend, Doctors do prescribe high class prescription drugs to children all the time, It horrifies me the things that are prescribed to kids under 18 even under 16, I myself was prescribed adderal at the age of 14, and it made me realize just how serious some pharmaceuticals are and that just because someone writes you prescription it doesnt mean it isn't dangerous and possibly detrimental to your health or mental state.

Now i can understand if i were a minor at 16 or 15 if i wanted to use medicinal marijuana that i would have to bring a parent in when i wanted medication, But being 20 i not only dont understand, I am definitely offended, mostly at the fact that anyone that considers themselves active medicinal marijuana rights activists (like most who open quality dispensaries), Can sit there and tell me i dont have just as much right as they do to medicate. You cant tell me your supporting my cause with silly, discriminatory, simply unfair and prejudice fictitious regulations being implemented. Regardless if you use your blanket justification of "reducing their exposure to unnecessary risks" they are doing so by DISCRIMINATING against a LARGE group of people (18-21), and that's NOT OK.

Im definitely not trying to sue anyone (yet), but it isn't legal to say "well a lot of 18-21 year old shady patients have been causing suspicion in our area so we are going to make our age regulation 21+" just as it isnt legal for an alcohol shop owner to make his age requirement 25 because a 24 year old he doesn't like lives nearby.

Originally Posted by MMI

Pain and suffering does not discriminate,And let me tell you if one of my kids comes down with cancer or some other type of ailment,And medical marijuana would help them ease their pain and suffering and possibly cure them,That is what my child would be taking for medication,And I would not listen nor want anybody telling me that my child does not have as much right to their medication that helps them ease their pain and suffering and possibly help them be cured with a natural herb, As someone 21 and over does,Just because your under 21 does not mean you should live with the pain and suffering,If your under 21 and you catch an ailment what do you think your family doctor is gonna give your child perscription narcotics,So what the hell is the difference,You call it, organ eating narcotics or natural herbs,The law does not state you have to be 21 or over to have access to medical marijuana,Correct me if I'm wrong peace all from D at MMI

[rasta49]

This is kind of a touchy subject and I have to say personally I agree with points from both perspectives. On one scenario you have the dispensary trying to prevent fraudulent youths who paid to get legal medical marijuana or youths using marijuana to boost their social standings... (thus they are coming up to establishment parking lots with their friends in the car making noise in residential areas smoking outside of dispensaries) On that note I can't fault the dispensary for trying to eliminate the potential problems. If their intentions are compassionate based towards protecting the patients who are obeying laws and what not...

Then you have D's point about being denied ailment after pre-prescribed by physician saying yes they need this remedy. I agree with this for my own personal experiences because I already been through it with my child... However, I was present... I was verifying that it was legit... I was making sure that the conduct we carried ourselves would be both respectful to the establishment and the other patients.

My opinion is that maybe the dispensary shouldn't go and discriminate against all under 21 patients, maybe they should try and get security to enforce a zero tolerance policy and as soon as patient messes up ban them from the establishment. Or maybe they can accept under age patients by contacting the prescribed physician and determine the severity of the condition. Because lets be honest I've met some people in the dispensaries all ages that were just trying to get high. And it wouldn't be discriminating against teenagers 18=20 It will be a safety precaution and a physicians call... Plus, if you're really that ill to where you can't drive a little further to get quality meds then you have nothing to worry about. But, if you're trying to fight for equal rights within a battle thats kind of ifffy anyways (marijuana being permited by state, but illegal by feds "battle"...) I hate to be the one to break the bad news vapor... But it really doesn't matter what you find acceptable... "no offense or negativity in that statement just being realistic"

The fact is 75 percent of activities going on in this country is unacceptable. Yet, we live with it... Trust me I am working on a blueprint for the revolution with my comrads haha... Thus the weekly activist meetings and discussions... I admire your fire, but I just get the sense that you're wasting your energy when their are bigger battles to won. I respect your opinion everyones opinion and offer mine... Lets give thanks to Jah we have made it to a day and age where we can walk into a place and purchase medical marijuana... Then, lets put our efforts together and march towards a future day and age where we can plant a stick of sensi anywhere and let it grow, globally... Peace and Love...

-RASTA-

[VaporCloud]

Originally Posted by rasta49

My opinion is that maybe the dispensary shouldn't go and discriminate against all under 21 patients, maybe they should try and get security to enforce a zero tolerance policy and as soon as patient messes up ((they are coming up to establishment parking lots with their friends in the car making noise in residential areas smoking outside of dispensaries) ban them from the establishment.

My opinion exactly, although doctor-patient confidentiality probably has a problem with contacting the physician to get the severity of the condition, I whole heart-adly believe that yes THOSE PATIENTS SHOULD BE BANNED for their conduct REGARDLESS OF THEIR AGE, and THAT is a completely ACCEPTABLE REASON TO NOT ALLOW SOMEONE INTO YOUR BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT, Age however is not, As i said before its like a 30 year old Liquor Store owner making his shop 25+ because he doesn't like the riff raff that come in from the strip club next door, its NOT LEGAL STATE WISE OR FEDERALLY and it NEVER WILL BE

[mato]

I don't post on threads like this....but lately it's gotten out of hand.......

After ALL we have in cali...........you still can find something to complain about........you're 20.....big deal......what you're not going to be a patient when you're 21????

C'mon man, I say this in a encouraging way....so don't sour yourself over it......

what you see as discrimination, that particular co-op might see as necessary to demonstrate to the local authorities that they aren't a "hot spot" in the community.....

I mean this as neutral as possible, you don't get it yet. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not getting it yet....., it comes with experience. It's nice that you brought your 20 year old understanding of the morals of MMJ. However it can probably use a few more years to fully develop.

.....if I were you or anyone else in a similar predicament , and you feel that you are distinguished and ahead of other pre 21'ers.....I'd go in and speak to the co op. Not make a thread about it.

Factually, yes it is true that no 21 and over LAW is on the books, however the co-op is taking the risk 24/7, you visit them for 20 minutes, once, maybe twice a week. They've got so much shit to deal with, you should be applauding them for their efforts in weeding out the "higher risk" "patients" . Think of it this way....Next year or next month, whenever you turn 21, you'll reap the benefits of their 21 and over policy.

oh btw ..... that high school kid remark.....that's not a fear......it's a reality.... PM me if you're interested in hearing first hand stories....

other random shit to ponder......discrimination is rampant in all other aspects of life, thus far I have yet to see it infect the marijuana or MMJ world. Don't create friction where it doesn't exist. I mean it's not like these co-ops had a bit too much of their top shelf goodies and said "You know what? Let's kick a sizable portion of our patient base out"

damn.....I'll find one more vivid way to illustrate it..... Imagine, that for them it's more worthwhile to not take in all those extra donations given by the pre 21 crowd, then to gamble and be greedy with it, and put themselves and the rest of their patients at risk of local, state or federal action.

For the Co-op, Its like a condom, ya?.....doesn't feel 100% like the right thing to do, but you sleep easier at nights not worrying about buggies or child support for the next 18 years.....

Have a great and Thoughtful Friday! =)

(oh and you want something to really complain about? have a laugh at this.
The other day at Target, the damn cashier wouldn't sell me a CD because I didn't have my ID with me to prove to her that I'm 18+...... [I'm not carded when I order alcohol])

Cheers,
Mato

[Medpatient]

well for those that are bitching about the 21 and over rule here is some advice. Take a look at the Charles Lynch case. Take a look at what the Feds will do to you for distributing MMJ to a person under 21.

Does it make it right, no it does not but I can almost guarantee that none of you would even consider putting yourself at risk of receiving the massive amounts of prison time (Close to Life sentence) for distributing marijuana to someone under 21.

I am sure I will get flamed for that but I do not give a shit. It is what it is and if I had a dispensary I would be 21+ as well, cause in the long run who would hurt more, the many many patients that would not be able to be served because I am not locked up for the rest of my life, my family who would never see me again. Those are the ones. Not some brat who wants to bitch about a law imposed under a federal nazi law, because after all what the fuck do they care about the dispensary owner or employee's as long as they get their DANK right.

[SoulRebel]

^^^ Beautifully put Medpatient, I don't give a shit either...


... S R...

[Deejaycruise]

Apparently there is some over/under 21 law on the books somewhere (even if only in some DEA agents mind). I was waiting for someone to point that out. Thanks Medpatient.

[referee4]

Hey can I sue my auto insurance company for making me pay higher premiums because I am a stupid uncaring and irresponsible driver .. gawd cannot wait until I am 60 and pay lower premiums.

Your a kid and still at school or should be so until you graduate and work for a living .. you will be treated as a kid.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by Medpatient

well for those that are bitching about the 21 and over rule here is some advice. Take a look at the Charles Lynch case. Take a look at what the Feds will do to you for distributing MMJ to a person under 21.

Does it make it right, no it does not but I can almost guarantee that none of you would even consider putting yourself at risk of receiving the massive amounts of prison time (Close to Life sentence) for distributing marijuana to someone under 21.

I am sure I will get flamed for that but I do not give a shit. It is what it is and if I had a dispensary I would be 21+ as well, cause in the long run who would hurt more, the many many patients that would not be able to be served because I am not locked up for the rest of my life, my family who would never see me again. Those are the ones. Not some brat who wants to bitch about a law imposed under a federal nazi law, because after all what the fuck do they care about the dispensary owner or employee's as long as they get their DANK right.

No flame! Truth spoken. Any MMJ activist knows the Feds have a thing about the age 21. Hopefully the Feds are gone, but nobody knows that for sure.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by medpatient

well for those that are bitching about the 21 and over rule here is some advice. Take a look at the charles lynch case. Take a look at what the feds will do to you for distributing mmj to a person under 21.

Does it make it right, no it does not but i can almost guarantee that none of you would even consider putting yourself at risk of receiving the massive amounts of prison time (close to life sentence) for distributing marijuana to someone under 21.

I am sure i will get flamed for that but i do not give a shit. It is what it is and if i had a dispensary i would be 21+ as well, cause in the long run who would hurt more, the many many patients that would not be able to be served because i am not locked up for the rest of my life, my family who would never see me again. Those are the ones. Not some brat who wants to bitch about a law imposed under a federal nazi law, because after all what the fuck do they care about the dispensary owner or employee's as long as they get their dank right.

qft

+100

bitch at the Feds, they are the ones who cause the pressure to go 21+, not the coop/collective operator---they are just trying to stay out of the Feds gunsite.

ps-- and, no, it isnt fair.... but you are probably going to have to get used to that....the Feds rarely are fair.

[MMI]

Originally Posted by stanley

qft

+100

bitch at the Feds, they are the ones who cause the pressure to go 21+, not the coop/collective operator---they are just trying to stay out of the Feds gunsite.

ps-- and, no, it isnt fair.... but you are probably going to have to get used to that....the Feds rarely are fair.

As far as I can see and have read, it is not against state law for a patient 21 and under to have access to their medical marijuana, the only thing is if you have a patient under 18 years of age they must be accompanied by their parent,guardian or physcian,So as long as you abide by state law you don't have to worry about the feds,The feds are not to interfear unless you are breaking state and federal law.peace all and have a great weekend from MMI

[VaporCloud]

Well Yes i have heard of the Lynch case, watched multiple specials on it, but from everything i have heard this type of prosecution isnt happening anymore, Not only with obama saying its a waste of resources to use federal agencies to prosecute against state-approved systems, but also because of the massive amount of publicity the lynch case and others got.

As stated above, federal agencies do not interfere unless you are breaking state AND federal laws, So remain legitimate and you have nothing to worry about.

You say i should open my own place? I may in the future, But ill tell you ill stick to my beliefs, I will not let the federal government tell me anyone of any age is ineligible for medicinal marijuana, And just to be clear WHEN IM 21 I WILL NOT VISIT 21+ dispensaries OUT OF PRINCIPAL, Fear cannot overtake the logic and principal of which i open my dispensary on.

[Alternative Care Group]

If anything for sure the minor has to be present with an Adult acting as caregiver and no questions asked after licenses are verifyed why not help our patients.

[Ingreenfields]

Originally Posted by VaporCloud

A few dispensaries in California have started adopting voluntary 21+ Age requirements, While there is no law in calfiornia stipulating a 21+ requirement for anything having to do with MMJ.

I know that i am a legitimate, responsible, 20-year-old patient, that should have access to the same dispensaries as any other patient, And i feel the 21+ requirement many dispensaries are putting up is Age Discrimination and its mostly due to their seemingly constant fear of high school kids coming in with freinds waiting outside, Angry parents coming in yelling etc, And these are problems to be dealt with, But these fears should IN NO WAY outweigh MY RIGHT to get my medicine from your dispensary, And i feel its not only counter-productive, and discriminatory to do so, but it goes against the very principles one must have to open a compassionate dispensary.

I welcome anyone's thoughts on the subject, If anyone has more information on the topic id love to hear it, I have mostly only heard "i think"'s and "i''m pretty sure"''s and id like to see some solid information on this and opinions from all sides of the MMJ community.

As i have said i will not visit a 21+ dispensary even when i am 25 as its just completely contradictory to the moral's behind medicinal marijuana.

You do deserve safe access to your meds just like the rest of us patients.
The problem Is so many minors/under21 make a bad name for this cause.
Check out some of the news reports on mmj.
IE perspective patients waiting to see the Dr. laughing about what they are going to claim as their illness. One even said her feet hurt from heels If memory serves was going to be her illness.
I hope you find a club that Is willing to help you.
* Note have you talked to the over 21 clubs and asked if they would take you on as a patient? Possibly going over your medical needs?

[VaporCloud]

Originally Posted by Ingreenfields

You do deserve safe access to your meds just like the rest of us patients.
The problem Is so many minors/under21 make a bad name for this cause.
Check out some of the news reports on mmj.
IE perspective patients waiting to see the Dr. laughing about what they are going to claim as their illness. One even said her feet hurt from heels If memory serves was going to be her illness.
I hope you find a club that Is willing to help you.
* Note have you talked to the over 21 clubs and asked if they would take you on as a patient? Possibly going over your medical needs?

In Fact yes i have tried going over medical needs before etc, I even used to go to a dispensary that was 18+ and went 21+ a little over a year ago, at one place even my CAREGIVER was turned away, a few places on weedtracker have stated if you come in the first time with your parent you can come in the following times without them.... My parents live thousands of miles away, and as i said not only is it offensive to be asked for your parents consent for anything at 20 years old, but its legally meaningless! Not to mention the fact that many 18-20 year olds parents have died, moved, they have stepparents who WERE legal gaurdians but now their 18+ so ITS AGAIN meaningless, dispensaries should just BE MORE STRICT WITH THEIR GUIDELINES.

I'm 20 years old, And i cant in good conscience ever agree with blatantly denying access to any group of people because a higher percentage of those people are higher risk, That is called profiling and discrimination.
Is it alright to only allow white people in a dispensary thats in the ghetto? because statistics show 6/10 black people in the area will jack you but only 4/10 people of other race will? That's about as ludicrous! get better security! Move locations! Dont blatantly discriminate to try to minimize your risk, that's not OK.

How about this for a guideline:
RESPONSIBLE ADULT MEDICAL PATIENTS ONLY: If you conduct yourself in an obviously Non-Medical Fashion, Are suspected of re-selling meds, Or continually show disregard for the MMJ Community/are suspected or confirmed to have been Abusing the Medical Marijuana System You will be denied service and/or reported to authorities. Thanks for helping to keep Medicinal marijuana Safe For everyone

[steveadams203]

Some places are 25+ and up only. Its not hard to see why, alot of places are under scruntity and when they are getting watched by the forces that be and 95% of their demographic is "healthy looking" young adults 18-23, it looks bad for their shop. But the shops that have age requirements I can count on my fingers. How many shops are in LA that dont care about your age. Hell I have even been to a few that didnt even bother to scope my patient information.....


and when it comes down to it... you will have to be inconvienced by driving 5 minuts down the street.

...while the people providing services can face 20-to-life as well as loosing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars in product as well as damages occured to property and person during raid. I have seen DEA comepletly TRASH shops beyond justification (fliped over flat screens, kicked in doors without locks, busted out the glass in a vending machine that sold only non-medicated products, etc..)

so even though you think its "unfair" it is obvious you dont have enough life experience to have previously informed you...

LIFE AINT FAIR KID......the faster you learn, the easier it will be to accept.

[fopros20]

just respect a dispensaries rules, if it says 21+ minors should find another one

[Thraxz]

Why do you think people are addicted to speed and alcohol, They give you that shit as a minor.. In pill form or in Over the Counter Drugs..Id rather see a kid on the green then Speed, Alcohol,Tobacco, and or have obesity!! The green plant wont kill them!!

The law clearly States even a Minor can get a recommendation as long as they have a Parent or guardians consent...I would imagine a minor to have a case for discrimination... Race,age,sex,religion or disability are all things people file suits in California for.. Wouldn't surprise me to see one against a club!! Dont piss off the youth, They have needs to. Disease and sickness doesn't discriminate!!

[luckydog]

This is such a non-topic.
Might I suggest to Vaporcloud that if he is to sue anybody or incur legal action.... It should be the federal government. Never mind the 18-20 yr. old crowd, what about the rest of the country that doesn't have access? What if you lived in.. Wisconsin? S.O.L.
We have it soooooo good in California , with...whats the number? 600+ dispensaries!
But apparently that's not good enough.
Vaporcloud, seriously, stop wasting bandwidth. You're 20. Go find something more positive to spend your time on.
You have it sooo good and you don't even know.
I'm sure you are a decent individual and I come off cranky , but... You have the idealism that only youth provides.