[Xeth]

I must say it bugs the living shit out of me when people can talk about the best strains or where to get the good deal. Yes we all want our cannabis
for cheap hell if we did it right it would be free yet no one wants it free it seems. Oh your local dispensary was just robbed/raided and you whined and complained for two days till you found another place this is wrong. So with total disregard for the grower that supplied it or the workers at your collective that are now being charged with breaking the law which you supposedly voted for you say fuck you to the people going to bat for you and you go across the street to the next one. All I am saying is go to court and support your collectives and growers they are the ones losing sleep worrying if Law enforcement officials are going to come in the middle of the night.

If a small fraction of you would start going and sitting in the judges wouldnt pass down harsh punishments. I have done this and it works believe me it makes a huge difference. Who cares if you know the people who are being charged or not they are part of the community and need to be helped. I personally have lost more than I could ever hope to gain back yet I keep fighting and feel that one day my efforts will have made a difference.

So the next time you enjoy some cannabis remember someone took a huge risk getting it to you and unless you get involved with publicly acknowledging the fact that you want it and its your civil right to consume it, its always going to be expensive.

Thank you

[Medpatient]

Originally Posted by Xeth

I must say it bugs the living shit out of me when people can talk about the best strains or where to get the good deal. Yes we all want our cannabis
for cheap hell if we did it right it would be free yet no one wants it free it seems. Oh your local dispensary was just robbed/raided and you whined and complained for two days till you found another place this is wrong. So with total disregard for the grower that supplied it or the workers at your collective that are now being charged with breaking the law which you supposedly voted for you say fuck you to the people going to bat for you and you go across the street to the next one. All I am saying is go to court and support your collectives and growers they are the ones losing sleep worrying if Law enforcement officials are going to come in the middle of the night.

If a small fraction of you would start going and sitting in the judges wouldnt pass down harsh punishments. I have done this and it works believe me it makes a huge difference. Who cares if you know the people who are being charged or not they are part of the community and need to be helped. I personally have lost more than I could ever hope to gain back yet I keep fighting and feel that one day my efforts will have made a difference.

So the next time you enjoy some cannabis remember someone took a huge risk getting it to you and unless you get involved with publicly acknowledging the fact that you want it and its your civil right to consume it, its always going to be expensive.

Thank you

ok I am a little confused, how is going to show court support for a grower, or dispensary owner going to help lower prices. Dont get me wrong I am all for court support except if it is for a grower or dispensary owner that is hiding behind Prop 215 and SB 420 just to make a shit load of money but just dont see your point.

[SubUrban Cowboy]

Hey, whats the big idea, posting a thread w/ a good point. But seriously, you make a great point and good for you for standing up and making such a point.

[Lou Weed]

Having an extra pair of eyes and ears present can make a huge difference, in addition to a massive morale boost and showing the folks who enforce the laws that we are just people, no different than most other folks, who happen to use alternate methods and means of medicating rather than criminals.

You get to hear some ear-splitting things in court, too. If some of it wasn't so ludicrous, it'd almost be comical because it's so freaking outlandish.

That said, I still can't wait 'til we abolish the necessity for 'court support' on these forums, period.

Please stop arresting, detaining, taunting and otherwise demeaning medical patients and cultivators. It is a waste. We aren't shrinking violets.

[gcisolator]

Kind of a bitch when you become an owner of something that is legally required to be non-profit and compassionate. "They deserve to be able to rip us off because they're taking a risk" is a bullshit argument that has no basis in Prop 215. That's drug-dealer logic. You want to keep things friendly for medical cannabis? Stop using drug-dealer logic.

[Medpatient]

Originally Posted by Xeth

I must say it bugs the living shit out of me when people can talk about the best strains or where to get the good deal. Yes we all want our cannabis
for cheap hell if we did it right it would be free yet no one wants it free it seems. Oh your local dispensary was just robbed/raided and you whined and complained for two days till you found another place this is wrong. So with total disregard for the grower that supplied it or the workers at your collective that are now being charged with breaking the law which you supposedly voted for you say fuck you to the people going to bat for you and you go across the street to the next one. All I am saying is go to court and support your collectives and growers they are the ones losing sleep worrying if Law enforcement officials are going to come in the middle of the night.

If a small fraction of you would start going and sitting in the judges wouldnt pass down harsh punishments. I have done this and it works believe me it makes a huge difference. Who cares if you know the people who are being charged or not they are part of the community and need to be helped. I personally have lost more than I could ever hope to gain back yet I keep fighting and feel that one day my efforts will have made a difference.

So the next time you enjoy some cannabis remember someone took a huge risk getting it to you and unless you get involved with publicly acknowledging the fact that you want it and its your civil right to consume it, its always going to be expensive.

Thank you

OK I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt for being a vendor and working at a coop that your post has no reflection on you cause I find it a little cynical. What I am getting out of this is that you feel that if a coop is raided then you should not seek to get your meds anywhere else yet put it off and go to court to show support. That makes absolutley no sense what so ever.

[Capt. Zigzag]

Originally Posted by Lou Weed

...Please stop arresting, detaining, taunting and otherwise demeaning medical patients and cultivators. It is a waste. We aren't shrinking violets.

Lou, they're not arresting patients. Cultivators yes. But not patients nor patients growing for themselves.

Just isn't happening.

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[Xeth]

If a person grows and spends serious time and I mean SERIOUS time more hours than a full time job even, growing the best cannabis one can imagine. You dont believe that person should be compensated or at least reimbursed for his efforts? How much in your opinion should a person make a month?Collectives there are some that are bad and some that are good yet what your telling me is that they are guilty of one thing and thats making cash? Supply and demand vs. risk and time its easy to find yes and we all know a selection is out there because the demand is high yet there is an insane risk involved. Peoples lives get ruined for trying to get it to you because it takes a long time to grow anyone will tell you that, If your a grower you'd already know and to survive comfortably at the same time believe me its tough very tough. No one person I have ever met is a terrorist or so people are being called who have chose to help others.
Yet its truly simple if everyone would open thier eyes and realize that this is a weed it grows anywhwere yet to use it for the purpose most intend it takes shitloads of tender loving care yet if it were made legal it could and would flourish thus making it not only in time practically free because of its abundance it would also eventually be called the plant that saved the earth.
So until then collectives and growers go to jail and prison lose thier lives get a felony on thier record get told they are terrorists and that they promote the pain and suffering of others. Heaven freaking forbid if a person does help shitloads of people because he has an incredible strain that was worked upon and treated with kid gloves if he charges alot then let em if you dont like it pick another strain. Oh and the guys that sell 45 dollar 1/8's my god thats terrible again I say get real its awesome they have worked thier asses off to get it to you that cheap. They are making alot and helping others thats great yet it could easily be even cheaper if not free if youd all just go talk to city council write your reps and go to the court hearings acknowledge your a patient and that caregivers need to be left alone.

[Capt. Zigzag]

The issue isn't about what's fair.

It's about the laws and how lame they are.

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[Xeth]

I met a guy today who was encarcerated for ten days for having twelve plants and now hes facing one year felony probation and yes he has a recommendation. So you are wrong they do send people to jail for growing whether they are a patient or not. I just witnessed it today and yes its an LA county court.

[Medpatient]

Originally Posted by XETH

You dont believe that person should be compensated or at least reimbursed for his efforts?

a person should be compensated, but not to the extent you are wanting. I have grown myself and I can honestly say that after your 1st grow everything beyond that is pretty much profit so dont give me that

Originally Posted by XETH

Collectives there are some that are bad and some that are good yet what your telling me is that they are guilty of one thing and thats making cash?

Well according to the law NO they are not suppose to be making fist loads of cash, it is suppose to be non-profit, read the law again.

Originally Posted by XETH

Peoples lives get ruined for trying to get it to you because it takes a long time to grow anyone will tell you that, If your a grower you'd already know and to survive comfortably at the same time believe me its tough very tough.

10 weeks in a flowering cycle is really not that long of a time unless you are growing outdoors then of course that is a different story but most people are growing indoors.

[Medpatient]

Originally Posted by Xeth

I met a guy today who was encarcerated for ten days for having twelve plants and now hes facing one year felony probation and yes he has a recommendation. So you are wrong they do send people to jail for growing whether they are a patient or not. I just witnessed it today and yes its an LA county court.

what stage were they in, did they say, if he had 12 flowering and his recommendation does not state an exemption and he had no caregiver forms available showing he was growing for someone else then he is outside the law.

[Xeth]

its not about the law its about justice

its about going to court and acknowledging that a person or collective supplies you with cannabis

its about calling your reps and going to city council meetings voicing your opinions

its about thanking others that pay the price for you and standing up for your civil fucking rights

[Capt. Zigzag]

Originally Posted by Xeth

I met a guy today who was encarcerated for ten days for having twelve plants and now hes facing one year felony probation and yes he has a recommendation. So you are wrong they do send people to jail for growing whether they are a patient or not. I just witnessed it today and yes its an LA county court.

Hahahahahaha..... You're sitting at the big table now. Bone up, cuz uneducated knowitallness, ain't gonna help you get the girls.

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[sheeshman]

wait aren't you the careabis guy?

[Xeth]

he had 3 plants budding and recommendations for three people

himself a roomate and a third person

[Medpatient]

Originally Posted by Xeth

he had 3 plants budding and recommendations for three people

himself a roomate and a third person

There is more to this than just that I am sorry. But you have caregivers forms for 3 people or did he since you stated he had recommendations, well those wont get you off on those charges, must have caregivers forms. Even still lets look at this, the law says 12 veg/ 6 flowering which means he would have been well within the limits just for himself. Here is Orange county which is way tougher than LA is on marijuana I have seen cases thrown out exactly the same as this so there is more to this than just what you are stating.

[jimichunga]

Xeth you contradict yourself.

You should sort through your rambling and start 2 or 3 separate threads, you'll quickly realize which ones people will care about reading & responding to.

[Xeth]

No I am not the careabis guy I did consider purchasing the collective for a brief period of time a couple years ago yes, yet decided against it due to the debt it was in from its owner. Hell I ran it for a month or two yet there were just soo many people that didnt get thier cannabis I couldnt do anything to help them. All his gardens that he ran were crap and didnt produce anything of quality. I out of my own pocket started reimbursing people for the cannabis that he had been compensated to grow in the first place even before I had considered purchasing the collective. So again yes I thought about purchasing it yes I ran it and changed the name for a very brief period but after paying thousands back to people for someone else it left a bad taste in my mouth and I had to tell him I was sorry and couldnt do it anymore I was broke. I felt that I shouldnt pay for anyone elses mistakes

[Zed420]

Originally Posted by Xeth

its not about the law its about justice

its about going to court and acknowledging that a person or collective supplies you with cannabis

its about calling your reps and going to city council meetings voicing your opinions

its about thanking others that pay the price for you and standing up for your civil fucking rights

Hey...Take a puff...exhale...a little better now? You are preaching to the choir as far as free & safe access of MJ. However, your argument about risk & what not is not my concern... big business coops who make vaste sums or growers who gouge patients in the name of risk ought to realize that their business will change drastically...I for one will have no need to go anymore, because I'll learn to grow.I've emailed my House Reps, Senators & the Speakers. I vote and am a member of the 4 biggest organizations promoting safe access right now in Washington. Nobody puts a gun to a growers head and says you will now be a pot farmer although you risk being federally prosecuted and have to take it in the shorts...come on, there is huge money in it...who takes such risk if there wasn't huge reward...when the law changes in our favor alot of industry will rise, but the losers will be those who charged excessively for medication .

[Capt. Zigzag]

Originally Posted by Xeth

he had 3 plants budding and recommendations for three people

himself a roomate and a third person

Let me try to be real clear with you.

It's either you're a liar or the judge is breaking the law.

EDIT: I understand that you want to elicit help from the patient community. And I'm all for that. I'm not for using fear on sick folks to fill your seats.

Tell the truth. The ones that can, will help. The ones that can't have no need to be afraid.

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[Xeth]

Zed your right I am sorry for stressing out as much as I am

Yet I am very frustrated as you can tell

I see soo much more and know soo much more than I can say here actually

I am trying really to get people other than you to step up as its obvious

youve done all that is asked of you as a citizen and then some

I know a gun isnt held to a growers head your right I apologize

[gcisolator]

If money, risk, and supply and demand are you incentives and justification, medical cannabis should not be your industry.

You should either just drop the charade and go to the streets, or work your ass off for legalization. But the argument you're putting forth is completely irrelevant (and illegal) under medical cannabis law. Period.

Of course, if it was legal, all the small-scale private growers would go out of business due to the incredible increase in supply, so you probably don't want that either.

[Xeth]

I was there and witnessed it today

[Zed420]

Hell, we are all frustrated!!!! Our current hope rests on that bill before congress...I'm in it for the long haul, but a very short trip would be greatly appreciated.