[squareback111]

i am getting so sick and tired about people talking about how sick and tired they are of clubs making money like its suspose to be free people own the companys hire people like us and are trying to make a living.I myself am a patient
first a x cancer patient that was lucky to make it so medical marijuana is part of my daily life,but when i hear people bitching about prices at clubs want caps or say valley this valley that that long beach sucks everything go somewhere else drive to the fucking valley I search on here every time before i go get meds and never have a problem finding what i want at a good price.I just dont get where people get mad at co ops saying there just in it for the profit when are medical care in the united states is worse the cuba and only looks for profit dosent care if you are dead or alive.So in short appreciate that these people that run these co ops risk going to jail for us to be able to self medicate in the way we seek fit.



I think thats all for right now but i am pretty sure theres probley more to come
so thanks for your time love to hear what you think

Yeah I agree. Most of the time people's complaints fly right over my head. I have no clue what they're complaining about. Even the clubs that get bashed on for having supposedly low-quality herbs, usually are some of my favorite clubs, which actually have great quality herbs!

I think people just aren't taking into account all of the variables. Such as, certain strains just not being a good match with some people, and so they think it's crappy bud when it's actually something that worked really good for someone else... so they bash it. And of course they have to bash the club they got it at, because somehow they think the club has something to do with it not working for them.

Sometimes people complain because they didn't get the discount that they THINK they deserved... among many other frivolous reasons.

For instance, we have a club here in my local area, on the main street downtown, that has always run a tight ship with consistent quality ever since they opened their doors. Yet, they get bashed for a lot of ridiculous reasons, like, the $5 last hour discount not being enough, or the free bottle of water they give you somehow being perceived as a slap in the face. It's just silly the things people complain about. To me, the water seems to fit because, you know, it's the desert, it's hot... water is good... plus who complains about getting something for free regardless of how insignificant you may think it is. It's still a nice gesture. But anyway...

Perhaps it all comes down to a spoiled "me first" generation running rampant in our society these days? Not that all the youth are brats, but it seems many well-taken care of young people are the ones who find the smallest reasons to start fires with people who meant them no harm. Perhaps I'm wrong. I don't know. It's still a mystery that I may never figure out...

I'll probably get flamed for saying that I bet...

[nigel]

Originally Posted by Cannabliss

Yeah I agree. Most of the time people's complaints fly right over my head. I have no clue what they're complaining about. Even the clubs that get bashed on for having supposedly low-quality herbs, usually are some of my favorite clubs, which actually have great quality herbs!

I think people just aren't taking into account all of the variables. Such as, certain strains just not being a good match with some people, and so they think it's crappy bud when it's actually something that worked really good for someone else... so they bash it. And of course they have to bash the club they got it at, because somehow they think the club has something to do with it not working for them.

Sometimes people complain because they didn't get the discount that they THINK they deserved... among many other frivolous reasons.

For instance, we have a club here in my local area, on the main street downtown, that has always run a tight ship with consistent quality ever since they opened their doors. Yet, they get bashed for a lot of ridiculous reasons, like, the $5 last hour discount not being enough, or the free bottle of water they give you somehow being perceived as a slap in the face. It's just silly the things people complain about. To me, the water seems to fit because, you know, it's the desert, it's hot... water is good... plus who complains about getting something for free regardless of how insignificant you may think it is. It's still a nice gesture. But anyway...

Perhaps it all comes down to a spoiled "me first" generation running rampant in our society these days? Not that all the youth are brats, but it seems many well-taken care of young people are the ones who find the smallest reasons to start fires with people who meant them no harm. Perhaps I'm wrong. I don't know. It's still a mystery that I may never figure out...

I'll probably get flamed for saying that I bet...

No flames from me. I Agree with both of you. I Can't believe the stupid S**T that people complain about. WHAAAAAAAA, My co-op stopped giving out FREE SAMPLES OF OG because patients were taking advantage of it..... For example.....

Not for Profit, does not mean, not allowed to make a living...

[BLUNTMAN2000]

Originally Posted by nigel

Not for Profit, does not mean, not allowed to make a living...

Some people think so, IMO It depends on what kind of living.

It's not right to get rich off poor people---on the other hand, there are alot of tight wads out there wanting something for nothing.

A simple sufficent living/wage seems very acceptable.

[weedtracker]

non-profit means that you have to spend all the moeny. that can mean that people get paid more or that you give it back to the community. it just means at the end of the day you cant be rolling around naked in a pile of cash.

[nigel]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

non-profit means that you have to spend all the moeny. that can mean that people get paid more or that you give it back to the community. it just means at the end of the day you cant be rolling around naked in a pile of cash.

Darn! That is my FAVORITE hobby. Rolling around naked in a pile of cash. Don't knock it till you've tried it.... LOL....

[Jeffster]

Originally Posted by nigel

Darn! That is my FAVORITE hobby. Rolling around naked in a pile of cash. Don't knock it till you've tried it.... LOL....

Do you know how many germs are on that money? Honestly, nigel, put it in the mattress if you want to roll around on it, and clean up your act! :slaugh:

Back on topic, I agree with what has been said. The co-op model in SoCal, to my way of thinking, is like a great social economic model that is evolving right before our eyes. It is truly marvelous to see happening, though there are plenty of problems associated with it as well. Simply put, each co-op needs to take in more $ than they pay out to be able to keep the doors open. And we patients vote with our feet, and our $, per which ones we think are doing the best work for us.

[ZENITH]

So...were is the quote" RIGHT PRICE??

I see coops with top grade on here for 550 an oz...and 50 miles away the same medical grade cannabis is 325 an oz...


mabie we sould have another vote...and vote the state of california to grow our medical grade cannabis.

but of course the way the economy is going the drug companys will get cannabis legal..and patient all the strains....like this company...owned by BAYER..AND THERE ENFORCING THERE PATIENT INFRINGMENT ARRESTS!!








GW adopts an aggressive approach to securing intellectual property rights to protect techniques and technologies involved in the development programme. Protection is sought in the areas listed below:

• Plant variety rights
• Methods of extraction patents
• Drug delivery patents
• Patents on compositions of matter for delivery of cannabis
• Methods of use patents
• Design copyright on devices
• Trademarks

In the last few years our intellectual property portfolio has developed considerably. The patent portfolio has more than doubled in size and comprises 42 patent families, within these families there are numerous granted patents both in the UK and in various territories around the world. GW has also developed a trademark portfolio of 21 UK registered trademarks with equivalent marks registered in many other territories around the world. GW also holds nine registered design rights and nine plant variety rights.

WAIT.....THEY OWN HORTAPHARMS COMPLETE SEED BANK???


MONSANTO should blush when there genetic department finds out thery were late in patient medical cannabis genetics.....

a 6 billion dollar industry!!

[BabyBoomer]

I think that many patients feel 'entitled' and just do not realize just how much is involved in running a co-op, dispensary, collective, whatever we are calling it today.

Just think of the high cost of monthly rent, utilities, security, vendors (and the assurance that the patients are getting properly harvested medication), long hours, dealing with patients, etc.

I think they would prefer to be home with their families and not standing on their feet all day, every day. Maybe we forget that this very Saturday morning, they would much rather stay in bed, or do something with their friends or family. They show up, dealing with law enforcement, robbers, and a lot of patients, that some of the time, tests their patients.

So hug your bud tender today and tell them thank you.

Thank you, squareback111, for posting this.




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[Smilodon]

It seems there are two sides to this polemic:

A. We have solid guidelines from the State AG. Follow them and solidify the distribution system which the State AG defines largely as closed loop collectives.

B. We have an amazing number of capitalists engaged in providing access to MMJ. The opportunity to make money has leap frogged our movement in terms of patient access and public awareness.

Both appear to me to be valid points. Slower, but more in the spirit of p215, (A) allows safe legal access now and provides a template for the future. This approach, of course, may hinder the spread of access points. On the other hand rabid capitalism creates markets and many points of access we would otherwise have to wait years to see.

I too do not understand the complaints. With the choices available (both A and B) you are not stuck going anywhere, even in SD.

[superface13]

Originally Posted by ZENITH

So...were is the quote" RIGHT PRICE??








GW adopts an aggressive approach to securing intellectual property rights to protect techniques and technologies involved in the development programme. Protection is sought in the areas listed below:

• Plant variety rights
• Methods of extraction patents
• Drug delivery patents
• Patents on compositions of matter for delivery of cannabis
• Methods of use patents
• Design copyright on devices
• Trademarks

In the last few years our intellectual property portfolio has developed considerably. The patent portfolio has more than doubled in size and comprises 42 patent families, within these families there are numerous granted patents both in the UK and in various territories around the world. GW has also developed a trademark portfolio of 21 UK registered trademarks with equivalent marks registered in many other territories around the world. GW also holds nine registered design rights and nine plant variety rights.

WAIT.....THEY OWN HORTAPHARMS COMPLETE SEED BANK???


MONSANTO should blush when there genetic department finds out thery were late in patient medical cannabis genetics.....

a 6 billion dollar industry!!

I wouldn't doubt that Monsanto already owns a stake in GW. It would be certain that they will own a large share of it soon

[HighgradeWilly562]

MONSANTO! CAPATILISM
Neither belong in MMJ.
I think you guys are forgetting what got us here in the first place, 215 & SB420.
Sure, they weren't the best written proposition but they were set in place for collectives not these profiteering dispensaries that IMO are a sore for MMJ in California. Collectives such as HMS are a model of well run and well respected collectives that we should all strive for. It seems even Oregon has a better understanding of what MMJ should be, patients helping each other through more of a collective effort. Perhaps Clinton can shed more light on the current situation up there.
I think the problem with Southern California as well as with the rest of the country to lesser degree is that we are obsessed with MONEY and we treat other like shit in order to get as much of it as we possibly can, which is exactly why we see $25 & $75 in the clubs. Like I've always said GROW YOUR OWN, the more growers the better for all. Hopefully one day we can openly discuss growing on this site, maybe then people will open their eyes to a whole new world of MMJ, the one I discovered and fell in love with, one where the patient is involved in the process, and one where fellow patients with the same passion are always ready with a helping hand or sound advice. Exactly how it should be.
Operators of these collectives should be able to make a modest living, not an exorbitant one. Just because the health care system is broken in this backward country doesn't mean MMJ has to follow the same model.

[superface13]

You're absolutely right HighGrade I was just stating that agribusiness is poised to jump on legalization if it's not already at the backdoor waiting for the laws to change. If companies like GW are actively patenting plant varieties and strains, then Monsanto will be next in line. Free markets are bad til the giants are slain

[stealthviper]

Originally Posted by Smilodon

It seems there are two sides to this polemic:

A. We have solid guidelines from the State AG. Follow them and solidify the distribution system which the State AG defines largely as closed loop collectives.

B. We have an amazing number of capitalists engaged in providing access to MMJ. The opportunity to make money has leap frogged our movement in terms of patient access and public awareness.

Both appear to me to be valid points. Slower, but more in the spirit of p215, (A) allows safe legal access now and provides a template for the future. This approach, of course, may hinder the spread of access points. On the other hand rabid capitalism creates markets and many points of access we would otherwise have to wait years to see.

I too do not understand the complaints. With the choices available (both A and B) you are not stuck going anywhere, even in SD.

You make great points. If there is not an active "closed-loop" collective in your area, growing collectively for the group, START ONE! If you are in the Santa Cruz area and are really ill, contact WAMM. Also look at "Stone Soup" in is various versions. Patients can sit around complaining about this, or actually DO something about it. We have the power....

I'd like to correct a mistake I made in my first post in this thread, regarding the "me first" spoiled nature of many of today's youngsters. The more I thought about it, I realized that society in general these days is acting like that. It's not just the teens and 20-somethings, but every generation has produced self-serving spoiled brats.

This was reinforced after I witnessed a grown man in his late 40's, maybe even 50 years old, having a fit because he didn't get what he wanted for the exact price he wanted, and stormed out of the store yelling "THIS PLACE IS A RIPOFF!!!WAAAAA!!!!" Ha ha ha what a sissy.

Then I remembered an old room mate I had once who was 20 years older than me and acted 20 years younger than me...

Damn, how could I forget. So I apologize to my fellow 20-somethings, I guess I just notice it more when it's my own age group, but it's definitely not something that's confined to only one type of person.

[BOLO450]

People rarely do anything without wanting to profit from it so they are providing a service and for that service they make a certain amout of profit, seems pretty fair to me. I am just happy I live in a state where I can go buy pretty much whatever I need. I guess some people just look for anything to bitch about.