[Steven]

I feel like Prop 215 allows anyone with a medical condition that marijuana helps, deserves to be able to. Well I feel anyone should be able to, its a fairly harmless plant that should be nowhere near Schedule I drugs. But I have my card for a legit medical reason, and marijuana helps alot, but I wont lie, I smoke sometimes just because i enjoy being 'medicated'. Sometimes I feel like im working against the cause. Like I understand theres ALOT of patients (AIDS, CANCER, ETC.) that NEED weed to function and live a decent life. And its definately helpful in my life and makes things easier (and honestly, medicating is fun). But sometimes I feel like, people like me, who arent SERIOUSLY ill, like terminal are making Prop 215 look like a joke. And as i said, im all for completely legalizing weed, but its one step at a time, and we need to show the public weed is natural and can heal before we can look to legalizing recreationally and such. Just some medicated (and too much too drink, which is way worse than smoking herb, but thats a whole nother story) ramblings from a responsible marijuana smoker like probably 30% of the US.

[lieb911]

Originally Posted by Steven

its definately helpful in my life and makes things easier (and honestly, medicating is fun). But sometimes I feel like, people like me, who arent SERIOUSLY ill, like terminal are making Prop 215 look like a joke. And as i said, im all for completely legalizing weed, but its one step at a time, and we need to show the public weed is natural and can heal before we can look to legalizing recreationally and such. Just some medicated (and too much too drink, which is way worse than smoking herb, but thats a whole nother story) ramblings from a responsible marijuana smoker like probably 30% of the US.

This is a really interesting post....I totally can understand what you are talking about. I'm really curious to see what kind of responses your post gets. You make some really good points.

Lieb

[labrat]

one step at a time is not working guilty fuk not me theres plenty of it 4 anybody whom wants or needs it most peo[plle in my OPION claim there sick!!! dont feel guilty u have the rite to ingest wjat u want into your body!!! if it calms iu mind then it doing u a just !!!! get that stinking thinking that its only good 4 the very ill!!! out of ur mind feel no guilt!!!;) ;) ;) zee lab rat

[Leonard Neem Oil]

Good post. The problem of self-dosing also extends to patients prescribed traditional pharmaceuticals such as opiates for pain, sleeping pills, benzos, speed for adhd, etc.

All of these drugs have serious side effects and physical addiction potential. At least if/when you over-medicate with mmj there is no real harm done.

It is impossible to diagnose people by appearance. I have what is classified as a hidden disability and many of my co-workers would be surprised to know that I smoke pot at all, let alone every day for med reasons.

Prop 215, as passed by us Californians, does not specify which medical conditions qualify for treatment with mmj. That is for the patient and the Dr. to decide. Do some people abuse the system? Of course, but the same is true of pharmaceuticals, just ask that hypocrite hillbilly heroine junkie Rush Limbaugh.

SERIOUS is a relative term. Why should one not be able to use any medication that helps with stress, major or minor pain, or other ailment that may not kill you, but still make you uncofortable. I do not feel guilty because i am not dying.

[pushinweight]

Originally Posted by Steven

I feel like Prop 215 allows anyone with a medical condition that marijuana helps, deserves to be able to. Well I feel anyone should be able to, its a fairly harmless plant that should be nowhere near Schedule I drugs. But I have my card for a legit medical reason, and marijuana helps alot, but I wont lie, I smoke sometimes just because i enjoy being 'medicated'. Sometimes I feel like im working against the cause. Like I understand theres ALOT of patients (AIDS, CANCER, ETC.) that NEED weed to function and live a decent life. And its definately helpful in my life and makes things easier (and honestly, medicating is fun). But sometimes I feel like, people like me, who arent SERIOUSLY ill, like terminal are making Prop 215 look like a joke. And as i said, im all for completely legalizing weed, but its one step at a time, and we need to show the public weed is natural and can heal before we can look to legalizing recreationally and such. Just some medicated (and too much too drink, which is way worse than smoking herb, but thats a whole nother story) ramblings from a responsible marijuana smoker like probably 30% of the US.

If thats the case then thats exactly why it isn't legal without a doctors note! there are to many people like yourself that smoke just for fun so how will you be able to convince anyone that it has medical help for you when you just said herb is fun, with that being said the only message your getting across is that I like getting high cause it makes my life a whole lot easier. Well if it were legal then things would be a whole lot different but i think the problem is convincing the haters that herb is good for your health, when we say this the goverment is thinking,good for your health how, by giving you bronchitis and breathing throw a respirator by the time your 50 ....but when we say its therapy we mean that it makes life easier since we could be avoiding various medications that which in the long run could deterirorate our bodies into tiny fragments..

[vinyl jones]

The fact that you have guilt, and that you reckognize the foolishness in attempting to completely legalize herb in our political environment, speaks gratiously about you as a person...you are not alone friend, and you seem like you have quite a good head on your shoulders.

What we do behind closed doors and what we do in the open are two very different things. If you smoke herb, whatever your reason, are you not medicating? If you "enjoy" the high you get, then there must be a reason that you prefer it to sobriety right? There are a multitude of reasons that we choose to medicate, and although some are much more dire afflictions, you legally have the right to treat whatever ailment you have using MMJ (assuming of course that you entered the system and have your rec and card). I emplore you to look at things objectively, you are not in the wrong.

The more people we have that use the system for whatever reason the better our chances of winning this MMJ fight...it's strength in numbers. But whats even more valuable to the movement are intelligent, responsible thinkers like yourself. People that understand the fragility of our laws, and learn how to fight a smart fight instead of a brazen charge of "legalize it" hubrous. You have your head in eactly the right place in my opinion and you are not working against the cause, in fact, by posing questions like this in an open public forum you are helping the cause.

It doesn't matter what you do or why you smoke when you are in your own home, but when we participate publicly we need to be cunning, organized, and intelligent about how we carry ourselves. You will never harm the movement by smoking a joint and watching half baked at home. If you think about it, there is no need to convince any of us that we need to legalize it since most of us probably smoked herb well before we got sick...we need to convince the lawmakers, politicians and community leaders that it's okay to use MMJ. These people have NEVER and will never respond positively to open legalization, it's just not going to happen anytime soon. They will (and we have proven this over and over again) respond to organized protests, letters, phone slams, and demonstrations regarding regulated MMJ; using proper political conduits. They need to see working, positively contributing, tax paying, responsible citizens stand up and support the MMJ movement; why should they care about the opinion of a bunch of pot growing "legalize it" hippies (no offense meant, just illustrating a point). It may sound fucked up, but thats how the system works and we need to continue to use the system to win our battle, after all its the system that brought us this far.

[Pitjustice]

Originally Posted by vinyl jones

The fact that you have guilt, and that you reckognize the foolishness in attempting to completely legalize herb in our political environment, speaks gratiously about you as a person...you are not alone friend, and you seem like you have quite a good head on your shoulders.

What we do behind closed doors and what we do in the open are two very different things. If you smoke herb, whatever your reason, are you not medicating? If you "enjoy" the high you get, then there must be a reason that you prefer it to sobriety right? There are a multitude of reasons that we choose to medicate, and although some are much more dire afflictions, you legally have the right to treat whatever ailment you have using MMJ (assuming of course that you entered the system and have your rec and card). I emplore you to look at things objectively, you are not in the wrong.

The more people we have that use the system for whatever reason the better our chances of winning this MMJ fight...it's strength in numbers. But whats even more valuable to the movement are intelligent, responsible thinkers like yourself. People that understand the fragility of our laws, and learn how to fight a smart fight instead of a brazen charge of "legalize it" hubrous. You have your head in eactly the right place in my opinion and you are not working against the cause, in fact, by posing questions like this in an open public forum you are helping the cause.

It doesn't matter what you do or why you smoke when you are in your own home, but when we participate publicly we need to be cunning, organized, and intelligent about how we carry ourselves. You will never harm the movement by smoking a joint and watching half baked at home. If you think about it, there is no need to convince any of us that we need to legalize it since most of us probably smoked herb well before we got sick...we need to convince the lawmakers, politicians and community leaders that it's okay to use MMJ. These people have NEVER and will never respond positively to open legalization, it's just not going to happen anytime soon. They will (and we have proven this over and over again) respond to organized protests, letters, phone slams, and demonstrations regarding regulated MMJ; using proper political conduits. They need to see working, positively contributing, tax paying, responsible citizens stand up and support the MMJ movement; why should they care about the opinion of a bunch of pot growing "legalize it" hippies (no offense meant, just illustrating a point). It may sound fucked up, but thats how the system works and we need to continue to use the system to win our battle, after all its the system that brought us this far.

Thanks I enjoyed your reply vinal, and agree that throughout history it is trying to work within the system thats got us this deep into an anti-civilization.

Im of the opinion that honest communication about individual freedom and evolving conciousness will expose the lack of necessity of the system.

Outcompete and obsolete the death trap.

[TAburnout]

Originally Posted by vinyl jones

The fact that you have guilt, and that you reckognize the foolishness in attempting to completely legalize herb in our political environment, speaks gratiously about you as a person...you are not alone friend, and you seem like you have quite a good head on your shoulders.

What we do behind closed doors and what we do in the open are two very different things. If you smoke herb, whatever your reason, are you not medicating? If you "enjoy" the high you get, then there must be a reason that you prefer it to sobriety right? There are a multitude of reasons that we choose to medicate, and although some are much more dire afflictions, you legally have the right to treat whatever ailment you have using MMJ (assuming of course that you entered the system and have your rec and card). I emplore you to look at things objectively, you are not in the wrong.

The more people we have that use the system for whatever reason the better our chances of winning this MMJ fight...it's strength in numbers. But whats even more valuable to the movement are intelligent, responsible thinkers like yourself. People that understand the fragility of our laws, and learn how to fight a smart fight instead of a brazen charge of "legalize it" hubrous. You have your head in eactly the right place in my opinion and you are not working against the cause, in fact, by posing questions like this in an open public forum you are helping the cause.

It doesn't matter what you do or why you smoke when you are in your own home, but when we participate publicly we need to be cunning, organized, and intelligent about how we carry ourselves. You will never harm the movement by smoking a joint and watching half baked at home. If you think about it, there is no need to convince any of us that we need to legalize it since most of us probably smoked herb well before we got sick...we need to convince the lawmakers, politicians and community leaders that it's okay to use MMJ. These people have NEVER and will never respond positively to open legalization, it's just not going to happen anytime soon. They will (and we have proven this over and over again) respond to organized protests, letters, phone slams, and demonstrations regarding regulated MMJ; using proper political conduits. They need to see working, positively contributing, tax paying, responsible citizens stand up and support the MMJ movement; why should they care about the opinion of a bunch of pot growing "legalize it" hippies (no offense meant, just illustrating a point). It may sound fucked up, but thats how the system works and we need to continue to use the system to win our battle, after all its the system that brought us this far.

:o awesome post