[shecky7]

http://www.naturalnews.com/News_0006...pollution.html

By Mike Adams, January 19, 2009

Compact fluorescent light bulbs are filling home and office environments with dangerous electromagnetic pollution, causing devastating health effects on some people. Neurologists are increasingly taking notice of the headaches and migraines being reported by people exposed to compact fluorescent light bulbs.


Here's a video news report detailing this threat to your health: http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/global...

I've been warning NaturalNews about CFLs for years. It's not only the fact that they cause headaches and skin problems, it's also the fact that they contain mercury vapor, which is highly toxic to the nervous system if inhaled. (Unless you're a conventional dentist, of course, who absurdly believes mercury isn't harmful to the human body.)

This is why I founded EcoLEDs (www.EcoLEDs.com), which has been selling mercury-free, eco-friendly LED lights since late 2007. But LED lights are still too expensive for most consumers, and they're nowhere near the affordability of compact fluorescent bulbs.

Meanwhile, CFLs are all the rage these days, with hotels, offices and retail stores all turning to them as light sources, unwittingly unleashing a new wave of electromagnetic pollution onto consumers.

So what should you do in your home? Don't buy compact fluorescent light bulbs! Buy LED lights and you'll earn back the entire cost of the lights in just a couple of years due to savings on electricity expenditures. If you can't afford LEDs, stick with regular incandescent light bulbs until a better solution comes along. They aren't the best thing for the environment, but neither are mercury-containing CFL light bulbs, almost none of which are properly disposed of anyway

Not to mention, if you drop one of the stupid things on your floor, you need to call HazMat. Does anyone know if computer screens have CFL's?

Anyway, thanks for the post.

[The Urban Spaceman]

I just priced out some LED light bulbs - they are only around $10 apiece, have a lifespan of up to 100,000 hours and are eco friendly as all get out!

I am off to get me some - THANKS!

[onecrazyfoo]

Originally Posted by live&letlive

Not to mention, if you drop one of the stupid things on your floor, you need to call HazMat. Does anyone know if computer screens have CFL's?

Anyway, thanks for the post.

No kidding,I watched something on the news awhile back about these and if one drops you have to basically evacuate the area,DO NOT BREATHE IN OR TOUCH!!!!and then wait to see if later on in life you grow a third eye or some crap and hope for the best.

[Au_Hunter]

I find the issue about as intellegently thought out as the use of MTBE to oxygenate gasoline.

That was Eco_friendly too until it was found in our drinking water and brought to us by the same folks...

First, CFL's are intended for long lighting periods and are not energy effecient when turned on and off. This actually reduces their life. Reduced life requires more frequent replacement and as CFL's cost more...

CFL's also take time, up to 3 minutes to "warm up" and achieve complete illumination, so in an emergency an incandecent that gives immediate light is better.

Cold reduces the life span of CFL's, so using one outdoors will reduce the lifespan, necessitating more frequent replacement and increased costs.

They have developed a new dimable CFL, but it also requires a new CFL compatable dimmer switch and the individual CFL's in that circuit may not achieve the same luminosity or brilliance...

Some will be dimmer than others, so mood lighting is out.

CFL's have a ballast just like standard fluorescent tube lighting, but it's in the base, thus the ballast must charge up to achieve full brightness, up to 3 minutes and may not fit into standard lamps/fixtures.

As with all energy efficient ideas, one must study facts to insure the propper application. Improper usage will not only increase energy consumption but replacement costs too.

In places where one spends hours with a light on it makes sense to use CFL's but in a closet, pantry or outdoors, the standard incandescent bulb is a better choice.

Untill LEDs become cost competitive.

My humble opinion or .02 cents on electromagnetic fields... (nothing personal to those who believe EMFs a threat)

We are born in it and live our entire lives in electromagnetic fields.

It what makes a compass work.

Even if we eliminated those electromagnetic fields generated by electricity we couldn't reduce our own earth's magnetic field.


links for further info,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...#Starting_time

http://www.compoundsemi.com/document...c.php?id=11434

[The Urban Spaceman]

Good info Au - thanks!

the thing i HATE about CFL is the damn awful light it emits... nothing looks right to me under it... and that was BEFORE my eye surgery also LOL...

at 10 bucks a pop with a 100,000 hr estimated lifespan, LEDs are almost cost effective now... and the light they give off is a much more pleasing light than CFLs

on another topic entirely - I have this LED flashlight... it is a Surefire. 105 Lumens and it is only about 6 inches long. damn thing is almost a weapon it's so bright!

Originally Posted by Au_Hunter

I find the issue about as intellegently thought out as the use of MTBE to oxygenate gasoline.

That was Eco_friendly too until it was found in our drinking water and brought to us by the same folks...

First, CFL's are intended for long lighting periods and are not energy effecient when turned on and off. This actually reduces their life. Reduced life requires more frequent replacement and as CFL's cost more...

CFL's also take time, up to 3 minutes to "warm up" and achieve complete illumination, so in an emergency an incandecent that gives immediate light is better.

Cold reduces the life span of CFL's, so using one outdoors will reduce the lifespan, necessitating more frequent replacement and increased costs.

They have developed a new dimable CFL, but it also requires a new CFL compatable dimmer switch and the individual CFL's in that circuit may not achieve the same luminosity or brilliance...

Some will be dimmer than others, so mood lighting is out.

CFL's have a ballast just like standard fluorescent tube lighting, but it's in the base, thus the ballast must charge up to achieve full brightness, up to 3 minutes and may not fit into standard lamps/fixtures.

As with all energy efficient ideas, one must study facts to insure the propper application. Improper usage will not only increase energy consumption but replacement costs too.

In places where one spends hours with a light on it makes sense to use CFL's but in a closet, pantry or outdoors, the standard incandescent bulb is a better choice.

Untill LEDs become cost competitive.

My humble opinion or .02 cents on electromagnetic fields... (nothing personal to those who believe EMFs a threat)

We are born in it and live our entire lives in electromagnetic fields.

It what make a compass work.

Even if we eliminated those electromagnetic fields generated by electricity we couldn't reduce our own earth's magnetic field.


links for further info,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...#Starting_time

http://www.compoundsemi.com/document...c.php?id=11434

[stealthviper]

Originally Posted by live&letlive

Not to mention, if you drop one of the stupid things on your floor, you need to call HazMat. Does anyone know if computer screens have CFL's?

Anyway, thanks for the post.

The older tv-style monitors don't have CFLs, but they do have a cathode ray tube, and those can be as harmful as a CFL if you break one. The newer flat-screen styles do not have CFLs.

I have already replaced some of the lights with LEDs, but it's bloody expensive to do the whole house all at once. I'm working through the house gradually.

[The Urban Spaceman]

Originally Posted by stealthviper

The older tv-style monitors don't have CFLs, but they do have a cathode ray tube, and those can be as harmful as a CFL if you break one. The newer flat-screen styles do not have CFLs.

I have already replaced some of the lights with LEDs, but it's bloody expensive to do the whole house all at once. I'm working through the house gradually.

sounds lke a good plan tho.... i just got some for the rooms we use the most. will add new rooms each week till the whole house is done. lucky for me we have a small house LOL

[weedtracker]

its all about led rope lighting and 12v low power hallogens.

[stealthviper]

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

Another topic entirely - I have this LED flashlight... it is a Surefire. 105 Lumens and it is only about 6 inches long. damn thing is almost a weapon it's so bright!

I have a large (cop-size) Mag, and replaced the regular bulb with an LED, and the thing got THREE TIMES brighter, and has a cool blue caste besides. I have had this Mag for years, and it was like a different thing with the LED. Putting them in my truck and on my Harley as soon as possible. (Plus, they look REALLY cool in car headlights....)

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by Au_Hunter

I find the issue about as intellegently thought out as the use of MTBE to oxygenate gasoline.

That was Eco_friendly too until it was found in our drinking water and brought to us by the same folks...

First, CFL's are intended for long lighting periods and are not energy effecient when turned on and off. This actually reduces their life. Reduced life requires more frequent replacement and as CFL's cost more...

CFL's also take time, up to 3 minutes to "warm up" and achieve complete illumination, so in an emergency an incandecent that gives immediate light is better.

Cold reduces the life span of CFL's, so using one outdoors will reduce the lifespan, necessitating more frequent replacement and increased costs.

They have developed a new dimable CFL, but it also requires a new CFL compatable dimmer switch and the individual CFL's in that circuit may not achieve the same luminosity or brilliance...

Some will be dimmer than others, so mood lighting is out.

CFL's have a ballast just like standard fluorescent tube lighting, but it's in the base, thus the ballast must charge up to achieve full brightness, up to 3 minutes and may not fit into standard lamps/fixtures.

As with all energy efficient ideas, one must study facts to insure the propper application. Improper usage will not only increase energy consumption but replacement costs too.

In places where one spends hours with a light on it makes sense to use CFL's but in a closet, pantry or outdoors, the standard incandescent bulb is a better choice.

Untill LEDs become cost competitive.

My humble opinion or .02 cents on electromagnetic fields... (nothing personal to those who believe EMFs a threat)

We are born in it and live our entire lives in electromagnetic fields.

It what makes a compass work.

Even if we eliminated those electromagnetic fields generated by electricity we couldn't reduce our own earth's magnetic field.


links for further info,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact...#Starting_time

http://www.compoundsemi.com/document...c.php?id=11434

I hear ya Au, I'm no pied piper for LED but I'd say there is something to Flouro lights and the effect on our physiology. m'Definitely not an expert. I do feel 'different' in dwellings with no hard-wiring in the walls, electricity-wise but then again I imagine a lot. Me and John Lennon sipping a cup'a with milk. The CFL makes a light that is unappealing to my eye and mind frequency for some reason. Same with the long bulbs
they give me a headache and I am not headache prone at all. I kind of like the idea that the Universe is electric, the sun included. No atomic reactions there. It's just when one is unshielded from our 'relative' level of safety that we are exposed to in the open environment we get damaged. So...snowflakes won't hurt but if you stand in a snowstorm all nite you might die, same with heat, cold and electricity. I prefer the old incandescent for now...being nostalgic. And plus it reminds me of that old drawing on my school-desk of the fat guy with his pants pulled down around his ankles? I loved that one...You are absolutely correct that there is always the possibility of Consumer-Scare on this, but I'll leave anything that SCE finds the need to mass produce with government subsidies, that and plasma digital tv. I'll wait it out for a while. Blu-death-ray aside. Who needs to see the pimples on will farrels butt? Ew?

Also, once while on an entheogenic consciousness expansion journey, I was witness to the way our man-made structures and underground sewer systems redirect and create sub harmonic matrixes of these normally flowing geomagnetic energies. Imagine if the electromagnetic field is usually flowing like wind across the plane but now there is a thirty foot round steel conduit under your house and the magnetic lines shoot stright up yer skirt, so to speak, and that ain't normal. Well, figuratively speekin' or sumthin'.

[Au_Hunter]

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

Good info Au - thanks!

the thing i HATE about CFL is the damn awful light it emits... nothing looks right to me under it... and that was BEFORE my eye surgery also LOL...

at 10 bucks a pop with a 100,000 hr estimated lifespan, LEDs are almost cost effective now... and the light they give off is a much more pleasing light than CFLs

on another topic entirely - I have this LED flashlight... it is a Surefire. 105 Lumens and it is only about 6 inches long. damn thing is almost a weapon it's so bright!

GMTA I have one also

Mine doesn't affect night vision but also has the standard bright "tactical" light you speak of...

It is effective to blind an opponent. I'll have to tell ya about a training scenerio I experienced...

A bad guy takes a hostage, I have no shot and no escape, so I light up the bad guy so he can't see me to shoot me!

The bad guy was a good friend, but boy howdy was he PO'd at me...

He had blue spots for hours! :slaugh:

Believe it or not, I have a CFL in the garage/smoking lounge because I go to and fro all day.

Porch lights... Incandescent.

I'm almost ready to replace my "holiday lights" (Christmas lights) with LED's as their color is way cool... Even prettier than my clear incandescent flashing bulbs that peal their color every season...

I can hang more for less cost and energy use each season.

Oh, and I did fail to mention I was an Electrician back in Da 70's when we first began "greening" federal military bases. (J. Carter) but that is another tale for another time...

[Au_Hunter]

Originally Posted by shecky7

I hear ya Au, I'm no pied piper for LED but I'd say there is something to Flouro lights and the effect on our physiology. m'Definitely not an expert. I do feel 'different' in dwellings with no hard-wiring in the walls, electricity-wise but then again I imagine a lot. Me and John Lennon sipping a cup'a with milk. The CFL makes a light that is unappealing to my eye and mind frequency for some reason. Same with the long bulbs
they give me a headache and I am not headache prone at all. I kind of like the idea that the Universe is electric, the sun included. No atomic reactions there. It's just when one is unshielded from our 'relative' level of safety that we are exposed to in the open environment we get damaged. So...snowflakes won't hurt but if you stand in a snowstorm all nite you might die, same with heat, cold and electricity. I prefer the old incandescent for now...being nostalgic. And plus it reminds me of that old drawing on my school-desk of the fat guy with his pants pulled down around his ankles? I loved that one...You are absolutely correct that there is always the possibility of Consumer-Scare on this, but I'll leave anything that SCE finds the need to mass produce with government subsidies, that and plasma digital tv. I'll wait it out for a while. Blu-death-ray aside. Who needs to see the pimples on will farrels butt? Ew?

Thanks Shecky and I don't doubt that the sensations could be associated with either sub-sonic humming, the quality of light and even the EMFs produced by the ballasts themselves...

Just as I'm not comfortable in the Valley being "an open spaces country boy", some may experience a sensitivity to certain aspects of the environment around them.

I've been accused of being allergic to "work" but I can prove that one false.

I suppose I should have qualified my words, but meds limit my skills at times.

I don't doubt the symptoms but any assumed causation with all the modern man made substances we use in manufacturing today.

Great topic tho and thanks for posting it.

[The Urban Spaceman]

mine is such a focused beam that it doesn't affect the user's night vision either - but if ya flash it in someone's eyes - like ya said...blue spots for a few hours. it is a Surefire G3. it is an amazing little flashlight.

that training scenario was way cool bro... perfect use of the light when it is all ya had to use.

Originally Posted by Au_Hunter

GMTA I have one also

Mine doesn't affect night vision but also has the standard bright "tactical" light you speak of...

It is effective to blind an opponent. I'll have to tell ya about a training scenerio I experienced...

A bad guy takes a hostage, I have no shot and no escape, so I light up the bad guy so he can't see me to shoot me!

The bad guy was a good friend, but boy howdy was he PO'd at me...

He had blue spots for hours! :slaugh:

Believe it or not, I have a CFL in the garage/smoking lounge because I go to and fro all day.

Porch lights... Incandescent.

I'm almost ready to replace my "holiday lights" (Christmas lights) with LED's as their color is way cool... Even prettier than my clear incandescent flashing bulbs that peal their color every season...

I can hang more for less cost and energy use each season.

Oh, and I did fail to mention I was an Electrician back in Da 70's when we first began "greening" federal military bases. (J. Carter) but that is another tale for another time...

[BrattonBasher]

I don't get it, sorry. Is it the electromagnetic fields that are harmful? The substance inside harmful? Since I work in the medical field I am tuned into research regarding MRI's and the like, and there has not been any significant studies showing harm from electromagnet fields.

[The Urban Spaceman]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

I don't get it, sorry. Is it the electromagnetic fields that are harmful? The substance inside harmful? Since I work in the medical field I am tuned into research regarding MRI's and the like, and there has not been any significant studies showing harm from electromagnet fields.

hell bro - we give off electromagnetic fields... (remember that Kirilian Aura thingy some years back?). the Earth is surrounded by an electromagnetic field. not to mention all our electronic crap...

i just think that the light from the CFL bulbs sucks. just didn't realize there was an alternative (LED bulbs)

[kennabis]

i'm goin old school on you fools..!!!




the ladies dig it too....

:slaugh:

[codeman420]

Originally Posted by live&letlive

Not to mention, if you drop one of the stupid things on your floor, you need to call HazMat. Does anyone know if computer screens have CFL's?

Anyway, thanks for the post.

computer screens dont have CFL's. Your bigger monitor (the big bulky ones) are called CRT's. (Cathode Ray Tube) there you will find mercury and lead.

Your LCD's dont go thinking there any safer...cause there not.


I would have to see these LED lights that we should replace our CFL's with. LEDS dont emit light far at all, and the quality of light diminishes quite rapidly after a foot or two from the lamp.

On a additional note if were supposed to go "oh god change all the CFL's" then you ALSO need to get rid of Wireless Routers, CD player lasers, Cell Phones, and basically anything un-natural. Plastics all plastics that get hot, end up releasing gas's (including the kind in your car and carpet). (except plant cellulose made plastic thankyou weedtracker) My point, everything, i mean EVERYTHING unnatural is not wanted by our bodies.

candle light is still the best....not for reading though haha

but if you want me to run out and throw away all my cfl's cause its making people "sick"
then I should believe every single article that comes out without proper scientific research?
sounds like a writer wants something to get people talking... CFL's when used properly and not constantly directed at skin will be fine. It is a more intense light then incandescent. But why aren't we throwing out neon lights? those have been around forever and go get a radio and tell me the neon light dosnt inter fear with the reception. It will. Because of its electric energy field.. but is it killing us? haha go ask the people in vegas

[AMAC]

Originally Posted by kennabis

i'm goin old school on you fools..!!!




the ladies dig it too....

:slaugh:

Thats funny

[420bunny]

Originally Posted by kennabis

i'm goin old school on you fools..!!!




the ladies dig it too....

:slaugh:

WWWHhoooo istheguyinthepix?!

[onecrazyfoo]

Bowchickawowwow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

I don't get it, sorry. Is it the electromagnetic fields that are harmful? The substance inside harmful? Since I work in the medical field I am tuned into research regarding MRI's and the like, and there has not been any significant studies showing harm from electromagnet fields.

Aw shit I don't know....I was just reading articles thought you guys would like to throw the keys around over it for a few.... I think they say mercury vapor inside? Some feel the EM is harmful, you'll find them(the people) in health food stores and holding on to telephone poles in 10 mph wind.I light my house with the light from this RAID array I have in the front of my G5, it sounds like a Hurricane...wait it IS a hurricane, Maxtor Hurricane. Lame choice of name huh? Is that like calling a car the ¡RUSTBUKET!
Brand new for Oh-Eight from Hyundai! ok, I will illuminate my face with Hakko. I wouldn't mention being a pro-MRI advocate I saw an ad for web-hackers on craigslist from VOMIT (victims of modern imaging technology). Watchit!

[superface13]

I grew up under high voltage transmission lines. My folks have 2/3 of an acre with transmission lines going over the horse pasture. My dad bread chickens, pigeons, parakeets, finches, and african cichlids. Many many generations with no abnormalities......I mean...I'm lind of a freak, but I don't think it's because of the powerlines.

[420bunny]

Originally Posted by onecrazyfoo

Bowchickawowwow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My thoughts exactly.

I met Kennabis at a wt'r get together in City
of Commerce. From what I can remember, he
was portly in his late 30's longish brown hair
scruffy beard, he sat outside at the patio a lot.
I know that picture is not him....at least I think
so.......oh my, I'm not sure now, but, wow.

[Scheize]

Dang... had no clue.

I might need to pick up a couple for my bedroom and bathroom.

How are the brightness on them, 3w, 7w, 10w?