[mon-well]

Originally Posted by ZENITH

God loves u...talk to him..he wants a relationship with u..there is forever.

I have to agree with you on this. I am not here to argue or pawn my opinions on others but to me, life without purpose is just empty

To answer your initial question a lot of the strains HERE have been bred but all over the world there are THOUSANDS of strains! These I might add are all na-tur-al

Take care all, and have a day

[innerlight]

Let me just say that if believing in God gives people hope, happiness, peace of mind & a sense of well being, then God is good!! Everyone is entitled to believe what they want. Absolute proof is impossible.....either way. People have been trying to prove or disprove since the beginning of time. I would hope we find out when our journey on this good earth is over. These bodies we have are but a shell that houses our spirit. Gobs of love to everyone!

[mon-well]

ROLLEE.

Ahh faith. You said it friend. "belief that is not based on proof."

"Scepticism is the beginning of Faith" it's all good

[soo_different]

i believe in god 100% to the fullest but i see him not as what various religions have portrayed him to be (although there is nothing wrong with having faith in a religion if it works for you) god is of immense magnitude and should not be labeled anything its just something you feel god is everything god is infinite god is energy look at the sky the sand the trees the flowers the beautiful women the ocean etc..... etc... i can keep going this world is perfect man is flawed but our potential is far beyond of what it seems. "GOD" is real

[chronicfriend]

Agnostic here- i don't have any fucking clue, and neither do you. anyone who thinks they know the truth is lying to themselves. we are all at the mercy of the UNKNOWN. i believe that there are endless possibilities. when i look at the night sky i see a universe that goes on and on and on and on....how can i be so narrow minded as to think i know whether there is a higher power governing all of it? and if there is a higher power, i believe that it is FAR beyond human comprehension. but i'm not going to be so arrogant and foolish as to believe in something just because other people tell me to. you can believe in whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't make it true or real. whatever the truth is will remain so regardless of what we think.

[OakSmokeMJA]

Originally Posted by kalikilla

great feedback . . . . I appreciate freedom of religion. Its harder to believe in something than it is to not believe in anything.

actually it takes a great deal of intellectual investmnet to "know"

Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

The simplest explanation for everything in the universe is god. It's extremely easy to attribute the explicable to a divine being and leave it at that. IMHO, it's far more difficult to try and face the uncertainty of existence head on, without the benefit of being able to wrap everything up in a neat little god package.

you've done some reading.
Are you a humanities major?

Originally Posted by Kushism_girl

please give your mother almighty the respect she deserves and stop referring to her as male.
hehe

All praise be to the Green Mother.

Originally Posted by bossplaya

IMO your going straight to hell with all the non believers. GOD is our FATHER, the creator of life. We shall respect HIM and never talk bad about HIM. Atheists what a joke.

Your god scares me.

remember, "judge not lest ye be judged" -the bible

Originally Posted by kennabis

i am god
life springs from my loins
i am creator
i am destroyer
i am you
you are i
om

kennabis, I like you

"I see god through the same eyes which he sees me." -Meister Eckhart

to the creator of this thread I say thank you, and I leave you with a quote . . .

"When we do our utmost to concieve of external bodies (god) we are all the while only contemplating our own ideas.
There is nothing I desire more than to know thoroughly all that can be said against what I take for truth." -George Berkeley

[chronicfriend]

Originally Posted by soo_different

i believe in god 100% to the fullest but i see him not as what various religions have portrayed him to be (although there is nothing wrong with having faith in a religion if it works for you) god is of immense magnitude and should not be labeled anything its just something you feel god is everything god is infinite god is energy look at the sky the sand the trees the flowers the beautiful women the ocean etc..... etc... i can keep going this world is perfect man is flawed but our potential is far beyond of what it seems. "GOD" is real

if i did believe in a god, this would make a lot more sense to me than anything else.

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by innerlight

Really????? Well due to your very in depth explanation.....I'm convinced!! Basically, it's because you said so & no other explanation is needed. Not simple at all!!!!

Would you prefer that I sit here an pretend to have an in depth explanation for something I cannot either prove or disprove?

That's not my style, sorry.

[ZENITH]

Originally Posted by Cannabliss

Oh yeah, by the way, I have asked. Plenty of times. AND YES IT WAS SINCERE. So don't even try that one...

You're not aware of my past...

I suffered through a strict religious upbringing (a faux branch of Christianity which I won't mention), and at one point I truly did believe there was a MALE God in a place called Heaven, and that he was really watching everything we all do. As I matured, various elements of the belief system started to appear as the phantasms that they were all along, that I had not noticed at my younger, naive age. After re-evalutaion of my education, I realized that nothing added up to anything that could be identified as realistic or even somewhat rational. I questioned everything I was ever taught, allowing logic to lead the way, and that's when all the illusions freely fell apart like a house of cards.

I am sorry to hear about god being forced on u...

i dont have answers for why a being talks to me sometimes..i hope that someday this higher being than myself..... does contact u in a postive way...

I have seen many pastors that have used religion to there advantage....and abused sacred privledges..

I asked...for proof..and now i believe..


Its very wrong that people would use religion to control others.

[bossplaya]

Originally Posted by chronicfriend

Agnostic here- i don't have any fucking clue, and neither do you. anyone who thinks they know the truth is lying to themselves. we are all at the mercy of the UNKNOWN. i believe that there are endless possibilities. when i look at the night sky i see a universe that goes on and on and on and on....how can i be so narrow minded as to think i know whether there is a higher power governing all of it? and if there is a higher power, i believe that it is FAR beyond human comprehension. but i'm not going to be so arrogant and foolish as to believe in something just because other people tell me to. you can believe in whatever the fuck you want, but it doesn't make it true or real. whatever the truth is will remain so regardless of what we think.

there is other beings on this planet but they represent evil. Genesis 6:4. It talks about the nephillim. How can you not believe in GOD and say the devil doesnt exist. What gets the devil off more than anything is DEATH. If you open your eyes and look around the world it is nothing but death. People where it on their shirts, talk about it on songs and tv. GOd forgives. If you guys are atheists, do you believe in exorcisms?

[LivnLifAgn]

The Birth of Conversion: Brainwashing in Christian Revivalism in 1735.

Conversion is a "nice" word for brainwashing...and any study of brainwashing has to begin with a study of Christian revivalism in eighteenth century America. Apparently, Jonathan Edwards accidentally discovered the techniques during a religious crusade in 1735 in Northampton, Massachusetts. By inducing guilt and acute apprehension and by increasing the tension, the "sinners" attending his revival meetings would break down and completely submit. Technically, what Edwards was doing was creating conditions that wipe the brain slate clean so that the mind accepts new programming. The problem was that the new input was negative. He would tell them, "You're a sinner! You're destined for hell!"...........


http://www.rense.com/ufo6/mindcontrol.htm

[bossplaya]

Obama a true luciferian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujwH6BXfP8E

[SourDieselBaby]

Originally Posted by bossplaya

there is other beings on this planet but they represent evil. Genesis 6:4. It talks about the nephillim. How can you not believe in GOD and say the devil doesnt exist. What gets the devil off more than anything is DEATH. If you open your eyes and look around the world it is nothing but death. People where it on their shirts, talk about it on songs and tv. GOd forgives. If you guys are atheists, do you believe in exorcisms?

So your saying that the "devil" kills people orrrr.....Im pretty sure you believers claim GOD makes everything happen for a "reason"..right? And if that IS the case then why would a 7 year old girl get raped and killed? If there is your "GOD" as defined by the bible...then why would he allow such horrible things to happen under his watch? Why would he allow senseless killings in his name? You say god forgives...then why is there anyone in hell? Wouldn't he forgive EVERYONE since we were all created "equal"?

[SourDieselBaby]

Originally Posted by soo_different

i believe in god 100% to the fullest but i see him not as what various religions have portrayed him to be (although there is nothing wrong with having faith in a religion if it works for you) god is of immense magnitude and should not be labeled anything its just something you feel god is everything god is infinite god is energy look at the sky the sand the trees the flowers the beautiful women the ocean etc..... etc... i can keep going this world is perfect man is flawed but our potential is far beyond of what it seems. "GOD" is real

It seems you are comparing sand and trees to women. Women are god? Interesting...men aren't because they are flawed? Your just throwing random things out there and saying GOD is......GOD IS YOUR CEREAL SPOON....GOD IS YOUR TOILET PAPER....GOD IS YOUR CAT'S LITTER BOX. Mmmm I love creme soda....GOD MUST BE CREME SODA! When I drink creme soda...am I drinking god? Does that mean I piss him out too?

LOL So the world is perfect? Since WHEN?

[bossplaya]

Originally Posted by SourDieselBaby

So your saying that the "devil" kills people orrrr.....Im pretty sure you believers claim GOD makes everything happen for a "reason"..right? And if that IS the case then why would a 7 year old girl get raped and killed? If there is your "GOD" as defined by the bible...then why would he allow such horrible things to happen under his watch? Why would he allow senseless killings in his name? You say god forgives...then why is there anyone in hell? Wouldn't he forgive EVERYONE since we were all created "equal"?

I was told the good die young. A girl being raped and murdered is obviously done from a hateful demonic person. Good christians are taught to help those less fortunate and love thy neighbor. The 10 commandments. We are not about killing and war.
See the devil is in you cuz your mocking GOD. Some of the questions you asked, i cant answer because I havent met GOD! OPen your eyes, the pope is evil. He is trying to burn the bible so we cant learn about GOD. Hes trying to establish a one world order. Microchipping us like slaves and in the future they will probably kill us who believe in GOD.

[SourDieselBaby]

Originally Posted by bossplaya

I was told the good die young. A girl being raped and murdered is obviously done from a hateful demonic person. Good christians are taught to help those less fortunate and love thy neighbor. The 10 commandments. We are not about killing and war.
See the devil is in you cuz your mocking GOD. Some of the questions you asked, i cant answer because I havent met GOD! OPen your eyes, the pope is evil. He is trying to burn the bible so we cant learn about GOD. Hes trying to establish a one world order. Microchipping us like slaves and in the future they will probably kill us who believe in GOD.

So this demonic person...if they repent they can go to heaven with the rest of you? How are you NOT about killing and war? How many wars have there been in your GOD's name? Isn't the pope as holy as they come? WHat does that say about who you have been following blindly? If GOD told you to jump off that cliff into boiling lava...you would do it?

Some of the questions I asked..you can't answer because you haven't met him....INTERESTING. So how can you defend the bible if GOD himself hasn't told you that it's true. You all say non believers don't have faith...NOT TRUE. I have faith in the Lakers winning this years championship again. I have faith in my mother being there for me when I need her. I have faith that the door will open when I turn the knob.

[bossplaya]

Originally Posted by SourDieselBaby

So this demonic person...if they repent they can go to heaven with the rest of you? How are you NOT about killing and war? How many wars have there been in your GOD's name? Isn't the pope as holy as they come? WHat does that say about who you have been following blindly? If GOD told you to jump off that cliff into boiling lava...you would do it?

Some of the questions I asked..you can't answer because you haven't met him....INTERESTING. So how can you defend the bible if GOD himself hasn't told you that it's true. You all say non believers don't have faith...NOT TRUE. I have faith in the Lakers winning this years championship again. I have faith in my mother being there for me when I need her. I have faith that the door will open when I turn the knob.

Only GOD can judge! I believe the pope is a farce. The Roman catholic church or the vatican for years has been killing people to rule. The same pope who brushes all this pedophillia underneath the rug. False prophets will burn in hell. The same church that pays no taxes. Look up the Black Pope and you will see true evil.

[SourDieselBaby]

Originally Posted by bossplaya

Only GOD can judge! I believe the pope is a farce. The Roman catholic church or the vatican for years has been killing people to rule. The same pope who brushes all this pedophillia underneath the rug. False prophets will burn in hell. The same church that pays no taxes. Look up the Black Pope and you will see true evil.

LOL So the POPE is a farce and GOD isnt? Atleast the POPE can be seen with the naked eye. Those are YOUR pedo priets. Those are YOUR "prophets" that molested young boys. Don't you see that? You guys are like one big gang. Even if you don't like the POPE he is still the most holy of all of you so what does that say about your religion?

[bossplaya]

Originally Posted by SourDieselBaby

LOL So the POPE is a farce and GOD isnt? Atleast the POPE can be seen with the naked eye. Those are YOUR pedo priets. Those are YOUR "prophets" that molested young boys. Don't you see that? You guys are like one big gang. Even if you don't like the POPE he is still the most holy of all of you so what does that say about your religion?

Sour diesel baby you are not getting what im telling you. Theirs good and bad christians everywhere. The pope and these pedophile priests are false prophets who do GOD wrong.

[mooniegoogoo]

I still wana know if GOD would like you " banging his trees with no condoms" seeing as you're so holy and all.

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by bossplaya

there is other beings on this planet but they represent evil. Genesis 6:4. It talks about the nephillim. How can you not believe in GOD and say the devil doesnt exist. What gets the devil off more than anything is DEATH. If you open your eyes and look around the world it is nothing but death. People where it on their shirts, talk about it on songs and tv. GOd forgives. If you guys are atheists, do you believe in exorcisms?

Um, no. Since there's no god, no devil, no heaven, and no hell, then there can't be angels and/or demons, right?

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by SourDieselBaby

LOL So the POPE is a farce and GOD isnt? Atleast the POPE can be seen with the naked eye. Those are YOUR pedo priets. Those are YOUR "prophets" that molested young boys. Don't you see that? You guys are like one big gang. Even if you don't like the POPE he is still the most holy of all of you so what does that say about your religion?

If he's not catholic, then it's not exactly right to lump him in the same category as people who practice a demonination of a religious sect that he doesn't belong to.

Sorry, not meaning to offend you, but IMO, fair's fair.

[cephas]

This is why we don't discuss religion or politics at the dinner table, or in front of guests.....

The truth of God's existence or lack of existence is the same regardless of any of our personal beliefs, arguments or opinions.

The best part of the time in which we live, is there has been enough written on either side of any argument that regardless of what side a person wishes to take, an argument/study/expert can be found to validate that argument.

Whatever you chose to believe, live like it. Christian, Hindu, Atheist, whatever....don't be a hypocrite. Stay true to your beliefs, if you are a Christian that means do not be loudmouthed, condemning or judgmental.

Regardless of the side you choose, do not condemn or judge another for believing different. You will not sway them, you will only alienate them and/or make your argument and all who believe it look bad.

Live your beliefs and people will ask you about them, about how and why you are able to live like you do. That is the only time to talk about personal beliefs like God's existence. IMO.

...realizing I get all philosophical and preachy when I'm exhausted.....need to relax more...

[Jeffster]

cephas, I believe we must also allow for a discussion of it in a forum called, "Religion & Faith."

While I agree with you that we will not resolve this issue in this thread one way or the other, it is an important topic for all sides to discuss.

I also agree with what innerlight said earlier in this thread, that we will all know the absolutely correct answer after we pass from these bodily shells, given that we have moved on to another state of awareness. I do not know what awaits me there, but I feel almost certain that we will not be sitting around singing hymns. If there is something that we move on to in the after life, it must be something truly incredible, beyond our imagination, much different from our human experiences, IMHO.

[Sir smokes-A-Lot]

I have felt evil vibes before and have heard some weird shit when I was staying at a house in Mission Viejo for a while with a couple of my buddys and his dad a few years ago. Both me and my friend heard it different times but it sounded like a combination of an orgy and a human sacrifice and nobody was getting sacrificed outside the house. So how do you explain that?I also had a nightmare one night at that house and I never really get bad dreams but it was the worst nightmare I had where I screamed and my face was gray and in the dream it was like a black evil spirit was comming over to me. Maybe the people who lived in the house before where satan worshipers. So if there is evil out there then there must be a devil which makes me believe in the Christian religion. I got more into Christianity when I was in eleventh grade. Some friends got me into it and we would go to some bible studies and we didnt drink or smoke weed for a while then I sort of fell away from the hardcore Christian lifestlye. I dont think you have to live like a saint just have faith in Jesus and as long as your not to sinful like killing people then I think you will make it to heaven. I just dont like the rich yuppie Christians who think going to church every Sunday is what you have to do to be a good Christian and who dont give a fuck about the lower class. Also I have heard stories of people seeing the white light and then comming back to earth because it probably wasnt there time yet. I have heard them say when they go to the white light they see there past pets and others they knew. Also how do you explain the white flashing lights I mostly saw at my moms house up north but I saw one down in so cal one night also? Just dont give me your science shit when it comes to god.