[superface13]

I know I'm treading on thin ice here, but I'd like to get some ideas about marijuana in the world's religions. I'm a Unitarian Universalist/Pagan with little tolerance for intolerance, so please stay on topic and don't get this thread closed like so many others here in the religious section.

I would like to hear any religious arguements for full legalization of marijuana. I'm not well read when it comes to the Bible, but I know there are some arguements there. Are there any coming from other religious texts? Can we link the religious freedom in the Bill of Rights to the use of marijuana? I've heard of a few court cases, but know very little about them.

Marijuana has medicinal value...that's for sure, but what about religious value?Can we attack marijuana prohibition from this angle as well?

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by superface13

I know I'm treading on thin ice here, but I'd like to get some ideas about marijuana in the world's religions. I'm a Unitarian Universalist/Pagan with little tolerance for intolerance, so please stay on topic and don't get this thread closed like so many others here in the religious section.

I would like to hear any religious arguements for full legalization of marijuana. I'm not well read when it comes to the Bible, but I know there are some arguements there. Are there any coming from other religious texts? Can we link the religious freedom in the Bill of Rights to the use of marijuana? I've heard of a few court cases, but know very little about them.

Marijuana has medicinal value...that's for sure, but what about religious value?Can we attack marijuana prohibition from this angle as well?

You know who has tons of that kind of information, Jack Herer.

Jack has a MySpace site where you can email those kind of questions to.

www.myspace.com/hempjack

Give it a try

zb1

[kennabis]

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/RAS...rrero-002.html
here's some interesting reading from a rastafarian i have had the pleasure to become friends with. his struggle is still going on in the courts today. it seems this is as good as any place to start, lets pray it ends ok.

exciting thread.....

[Medpatient]

I know that people have brought up that in the bible the holy anointing oil was cannabis oil.

As to attacking MJ from this perspective, I know Craig X tried to use this defense but he was still convicted, however I know he was also charging money for the herb he called sacrament.

I also know of another man in Hawaii that claims to use Marijuana for religious purposes and he is an ordained minister and if I am not mistaken the courts also shot him down as well.

[poly]

Cannabis was used in Hindu culture as early as 1500 B.C., and its ancient use is confirmed within the Vedas (Sama Veda Rig Veda and Atharva Veda)

During the Hindu festival of Holi, people consume a drink called bhang which contains cannabis flowers.

Charas, is smoked by some Shaivite devotees and cannabis itself is seen as a gift ("prasad" or offering, not a poison like ethyl-alcohol) of Shiva to aid in sadhana. Some of the wandering ascetics in India known as sadhus smoke charas out of a clay chillum.

[shecky7]

I always liked the Jahovah Witness and how they used their freedom of speech to promote their beliefs. Although I don't think they would sanction MJ use, seems
any drunkeness or drug use is shunned, They have always championed fighting for ones beliefs.
In the United States of America and several other countries, the legal struggles of the Jehovah's Witnesses have yielded some of the most important judicial decisions regarding freedom of religion, press and speech. In the United States, many Supreme Court cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses are now landmark decisions of First Amendment law. Of the 72 cases involving the Jehovah's Witnesses that have been brought before the U.S. Supreme Court, the Court has ruled in favor of them 47 times. Even the cases that the Jehovah's Witnesses lost helped the U.S. to more clearly define the limits of First Amendment rights. Former Supreme Court Justice Harlan Stone jokingly suggested "The Jehovah's Witnesses ought to have an endowment in view of the aid which they give in solving the legal problems of civil liberties." "Like it or not," observed American author and editor Irving Dilliard, "Jehovah's Witnesses have done more to help preserve our freedoms than any other religious group."
The U.S. Supreme Court has reviewed 72 cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization, of which 47 were decided in their favor.
Hope that is still on topic. I believe one deciding factor revolves around the 'freedom of religion' clause of The Constitution.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
I'd bet all of these people who have tried to use a religious defense for their personal use of cannabis run churches under the 501(c) non profit organization in which they become INCORPORATED (key word) and are considered tax exempt but have submitted to being a corporation. I don't see any protection for a corporation in there.
Freedom for ALL,

[Nailhead]

Originally Posted by superface13

Can we link the religious freedom in the Bill of Rights to the use of marijuana? I've heard of a few court cases, but know very little about them.

The bill of rights is useless if it is ignored by a Christian population that is against cannabis use. Some have tried to start religions as a loophole for legalizing cannabis, but I think the reason they fail is because they make it very obvious they aren't really religious people at all.

It's a shame too, because I'm beginning to think perhaps cannabis is a key ingredient meant to help stimulate the brain for intelligent thinking, and ultimately become a more intelligent species. If one is to believe intelligence is the key to human survival, anything causing intelligent thought could be considered holy.

Pagans have a hard enough time keeping their employers from discriminating against them, adding cannabis to your religion might be a practice that would be best to keep on the down low, at least until popular opinion changes it's view of cannabis use.

[shecky7]

You can't actually regulate a church if its not a (tax-exempt corporation).
Incorporation is the reason churches fall under statutory law and if the church
did not seek to register(i.e. beg privilege from) the state they could NOT be
persecuted under the freedom of religion clause. It is just that most people have too
many conflicting contracts with the state (seen as double-minded) and are by tacit approval giving up their power of attorney. Or something. When is Dancing with the Stars on?

Originally Posted by superface13

I know I'm treading on thin ice here, but I'd like to get some ideas about marijuana in the world's religions. I'm a Unitarian Universalist/Pagan with little tolerance for intolerance, so please stay on topic and don't get this thread closed like so many others here in the religious section.

I would like to hear any religious arguements for full legalization of marijuana. I'm not well read when it comes to the Bible, but I know there are some arguements there. Are there any coming from other religious texts? Can we link the religious freedom in the Bill of Rights to the use of marijuana? I've heard of a few court cases, but know very little about them.

Marijuana has medicinal value...that's for sure, but what about religious value?Can we attack marijuana prohibition from this angle as well?

Think about it: the fools who hung Hayzeus from a cross did it to thousands of victims, for years and years. So? That is how the world was then, harsh as fuck and mean. It still is, for many. People hide behind the koran, bible, torah, whatever. "God" has nothing to do with any of it.

Stories about what people thought god is/was back in the day when they also thought the world was flat, women (and many men too) were chattel (property), slavery was acceptable, and germ theory did not exist, can't help you understand a thing about reality in the year 2008.

What possible knowledge could they have for us today? Or would ANY flat-world-religionists, arab/jew/christian/whatever.

The holy herb known as cannabis is real, the stories people use to control your behaviour not-withstanding. Smoke it and feel good. Eat it and bliss out. Rub the essence on your skin and be healed.

[superface13]

Originally Posted by FreeHerb

"The bible"? Huh? Fairy tales for fools who think its ok to kill in the name of god. Rules for fools who can't think for themselves. An outdated silly book, used by hustlers to justify their scams.

Think about it: the fools who hung Hayzeus from a cross did it to thousands of victims, for years and years. So? That is how the world was then, harsh as fuck and mean. It still is, for many. People hide behind the koran, bible, torah, whatever. "God" has nothing to do with any of it.

Stories about what people thought god is/was back in the day when they also thought the world was flat, women (and many men too) were chattel (property), slavery was acceptable, and germ theory did not exist, can't help you understand a thing about reality in the year 2008.

What possible knowledge could they have for us today? Or would ANY flat-world-religionists, arab/jew/christian/whatever.

The holy herb known as cannabis is real, the stories people use to control your behaviour not-withstanding. Smoke it and feel good. Eat it and bliss out. Rub the essence on your skin and be healed.

Fuck the fairy-tales, be here now!

Sorry....that's not the point of this thread

This is about the religious referrences to marijuana and religious arguements for legalization. If you don't believe in any god or religion, that's cool......but it doen't help anyone connect the dots as far as religion and marijuana is concerned.

If someone disagrees with the term weed....why are you on weedtracker? (different thread)

Originally Posted by superface13

Sorry....that's not the point of this thread

This is about the religious referrences to marijuana and religious arguements for legalization. If you don't believe in any god or religion, that's cool......but it doen't help anyone connect the dots as far as religion and marijuana is concerned.

If someone disagrees with the term weed....why are you on weedtracker? (different thread)

I am on topic, you wrong. Get out of my face, by the way.

Seriously, do we have to agree with everything you say/think to be able to post here? I DO believe in a higher power, just not the lame story in 'the bible', nor do I need your approval of my views. I am here 'cause I agree with much of what goes on here; and I am well read and trained as
a 'minister' in what I now call RIGHT WING NAZI CHRISTIANITY. How do you know if my thoughts can help anyone connect the dots.... what dots, YOURS ONLY?

Originally Posted by superface13

Sorry....that's not the point of this thread

This is about the religious referrences to marijuana and religious arguements for legalization. If you don't believe in any god or religion, that's cool......but it doen't help anyone connect the dots as far as religion and marijuana is concerned.

If someone disagrees with the term weed....why are you on weedtracker? (different thread)

huh? did you read what I said? You are off topic, and rude.

[superface13]

Originally Posted by FreeHerb

I am on topic, you wrong. Get out of my face, by the way.

Seriously, do we have to agree with everything you say/think to be able to post here? I DO believe in a higher power, just not the lame story in 'the bible', nor do I need your approval of my views. I am here 'cause I agree with much of what goes on here; and I am well read and trained as
a 'minister' in what I now call RIGHT WING NAZI CHRISTIANITY. How do you know if my thoughts can help anyone connect the dots.... what dots, YOURS ONLY?

Wow....touchy touchy.....I didn't think I was in your face....nor do I care if you like me or my views. This thread was started to ask others about their religion and religious views on marijuana, not to have people like you tell everyone their religion is

Fairy tales for fools who think its ok to kill in the name of god. Rules for fools who can't think for themselves.

You obviously have a problem with Christianity....many people do, but surfing religious threads and telling people their religions are stupid superstitions may be mildly entertaining to me, but things like

What possible knowledge could they have for us today? Or would ANY flat-world-religionists, arab/jew/christian/whatever.

is insulting and offensive to the many Christians, Jews, and Arabs that use WeedTRACKER.

Hayzues gave us plenty of useful knowledge from his day...mainly treating people with dignity and accepting and loving them for who they are.

I started a thread called it ain't weed, fool.

Yet it got closed by the power brokers on this site.

Weed
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For marijuana, see Cannabis (drug).

A weed in a general sense is a plant that is considered by the user of the term to be a nuisance, and normally applied to unwanted plants in human-made settings......


ITS CULTIVATED, which weeds are NOT! Its WANTED!


IT IS NOT A NUISANCE. It is a flower producing holy herb. This is way beyond semantics. Have some respect for the plant, thats all I am saying.

[poly]

Originally Posted by superface13

Wow....touchy touchy.....I didn't think I was in your face....nor do I care if you like me or my views. This thread was started to ask others about their religion and religious views on marijuana, not to have people like you tell everyone their religion is

You obviously have a problem with Christianity....many people do, but surfing religious threads and telling people their religions are stupid superstitions may be mildly entertaining to me, but things like is insulting and offensive to the many Christians, Jews, and Arabs that use WeedTRACKER.

Hayzues gave us plenty of useful knowledge from his day...mainly treating people with dignity and accepting and loving them for who they are.

did he say a 'minister' in what I now call RIGHT WING NAZI CHRISTIANITY

Originally Posted by superface13

Wow....touchy touchy.....I didn't think I was in your face....nor do I care if you like me or my views. This thread was started to ask others about their religion and religious views on marijuana, not to have people like you tell everyone their religion is

You obviously have a problem with Christianity....many people do, but surfing religious threads and telling people their religions are stupid superstitions may be mildly entertaining to me, but things like is insulting and offensive to the many Christians, Jews, and Arabs that use WeedTRACKER.

Hayzues gave us plenty of useful knowledge from his day...mainly treating people with dignity and accepting and loving them for who they are.

try getting out of my face and reading some history and wikipedia, then come back with a better attitude and maybe we can get somewhere.

[rix]

from the forum rules:
General insults and personal attacks against other users are not allowed as we want to promote a positive environment.

to disregard this is the fastest way to get a thread shut down, or worse !
please keep it civil ~ thanks !

[Shankar]

Originally Posted by poly

Cannabis was used in Hindu culture as early as 1500 B.C., and its ancient use is confirmed within the Vedas (Sama Veda Rig Veda and Atharva Veda)

During the Hindu festival of Holi, people consume a drink called bhang which contains cannabis flowers.

Charas, is smoked by some Shaivite devotees and cannabis itself is seen as a gift ("prasad" or offering, not a poison like ethyl-alcohol) of Shiva to aid in sadhana. Some of the wandering ascetics in India known as sadhus smoke charas out of a clay chillum.

Very well said. I'm pretty sure that all of the holy cities in India have Bhang, usually mixed with yogurt and sugar to make the drink Bhang Lassie. The cost for a 16 ounce drink is about 25 cents and it can be quite lethal. After consumption people go on pilgrimages to temples and sacred spots. One of the mantras used is "Bom Shiva" or "Bom Shankar" symbolizing the release or destruction of ones normal state to a higher state being. Charas (finger resin) is also smoked in praise of Lord Shiva however, it is believed that Lord Shiva actually liked Bhang (leaves boiled and ground into a paste). Many Sadhus or Holy Men, partake religiously and live on extreme and austere forms of yoga. India definitely stills has living ancient weed religion and culture.

[ladyknight]

Everyone has their own beliefs and I respect that and so should you. Next time this Christian Nazi Admin will close this down.

[ScrewyLewy]

Do the Native Americans have to be on what the government calls "their land" to use plants in their spiritual ceremonies? and are they allowed to use cannabis? which we all know is safer than cactus and fungi.

[BabyBoomer]

Originally Posted by FreeHerb

try getting out of my face and reading some history and wikipedia, then come back with a better attitude and maybe we can get somewhere.

Since you are quoting from Wikipedia, see "troll"

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

Your post history speaks volumes of what your intentions are . . . . . .

Sadly, you are getting your 'entertainment' from insults, and pure evil comments.

Hoping Santa brings you . . . . . well, never mind.

Clink, Clank, my two cents.

[Nailhead]

Originally Posted by ScrewyLewy

Do the Native Americans have to be on what the government calls "their land" to use plants in their spiritual ceremonies? and are they allowed to use cannabis? which we all know is safer than cactus and fungi.

That would be interesting to know, it would seem hard to imagine that the nature loving natives of this land would have a negative view towards cannabis. For all we know it could have been included in the first thanksgiving. Perhaps it was the cause of it?

Originally Posted by Nailhead

I'm beginning to think perhaps cannabis is a key ingredient meant to help stimulate the brain for intelligent thinking, and ultimately become a more intelligent species. If one is to believe intelligence is the key to human survival, anything causing intelligent thought could be considered holy.

Yes, precisely.

Which means that one day, cannabis users will evolve to the point where we will figure out how to permanently defeat all those who currently persecute us. It's only natural, and it's only a matter of time.

Herb users will be the leaders of the future. Our adversaries are much too stubborn and stiff-necked to be able to adapt to much further change. These weak links in our society will die out, or surrender eventually, and the advanced/enlightened among us will be left with the reigns in our deserving hands. Really, it's just evolution.

And we haven't even touched on the physical aspects, and how cannabis is greatly beneficial to the health of our bodies.

[stealthviper]

Originally Posted by Cannabliss

Yes, precisely.

Which means that one day, cannabis users will evolve to the point where we will figure out how to permanently defeat all those who currently persecute us. It's only natural, and it's only a matter of time.

Herb users will be the leaders of the future.

Given that the current President-elect is himself someone who has used herb, I would say that time is closer than any of us think.

Remember, he does not have to outright legalize cannabis. All he has to do is to reschedule cannabis out of Schedule 1. At that point, the states can do what they wish. What do you suppose that the people of Cali will wish? Decriminalization, regulation and TAXATION could go a long way to solving the current economic woes, and that is something to praise Geebus for.

Seriously, this herb was put here by God for the enlightenment and healing of mankind. And the natural man knows it.