[polluted]

I could not RESIST! Jesus birthday was celebrated by early Christians on JANUARY 6 for the first 300 years.

In fact December 25 is the birthday of the European Sun Gog MITHRA which precede Christianity by 1400 years some say 1200yrs anyway Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25, had 12 disciples performed miracles was dead for 3 days then ressurected.

In fact Jesus birthdate was changed by Emperor Constantine a follower of Mithra, 325 council of Nicea.

December 25 is also HORUS birthday which precede Christianity by 3000years.

This is even closer to the MYTH associated with JESUS.

Horus was born of a Virgin Isis, there was a star in the east, he was visited by 3kings with gifts, he was baptized at 12yrs of age, began his ministry at age 30, he had 12 disciples he performed miracles and walked on water.

Horus was crucified buried for 3 days
then ressurected.

DOES THAT RING A BELL?

Greece god Attis 1200yrs before Jesus born of a virgin on December 25, was crucified dead for 3 days then ressucected.

Krishna of India born of a Virgin December 25, 900yrs before Jesus, there was a star in the east, performed miracles crucified then ressurected, I could go on and on. Story of Moses is a plagiarize version (by the Jews) of the much older story of Sargon 2250 before christ(Sumeria, present day Iraq) The ten COMMANDEMENTS is another plagiarize version (by the jews) taken outright from the EGYTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD (spell 125).

Stone tablets with law given to MISIS.

I do hope all of you have the software to watch the videos or you are missing some very interesting points.

The brightest star Sirius align with the 3 stars in the east in Orion belt call the three kings on December 24, which point to the SUN rise on December 25 the winter SOLTICE the birth of the GOD SUN. The ressurection of the SUN was celebrated during the spring EQUINOX or EASTER because thats when the revitalizing spring begins and day time becomes longer than the night.

I wanted to be facetious I would say that ALL THOSE GODS WERE BORN FROM WOMEN WITHOUT THE SEED OF MEN. I strongly believe since Jesus did not leave a book his teachings were corrupted by that heretic homosexual PAUL a criminal, torturer and killer of early Christians who claimed some obscure vision to promote his Mithra religion since he was in actuality Saul from Tarsus where that religion was well known.( I do not understand when and why should the word of criminals and those who are deficient in character become holy and unquestionable.) Religion can make intelligent people act dumb and can make good people DO EVIL THINGS.

On November 2007 Soudi Arabia sentenced a woman to receive 200 lashes of Whip and 6months in prison after GET THIS she was GANG RAPED by 7 men. The SHARIA court claimed SHE was to BLAME not the men(who could not control their lust or penises I presume) because she accepted a ride in a car without a chaperone from an unrelated male. Those are the same Muslim men who created Sharia Mutah laws to give themselves the right to have sex with sucking babies thighs and breasts and claimed that to sodomize a baby is fine. I wonder if those same men would penetrate the baby vaginally, if that BABY would be sentenced to 200 lashes of whip also. People can become blind, and retarded due to religion and the manipulations of religious leaders.

[LemonHerb]

You mean a book complied by a committee almost 200 years after the supposed life of Jesus isn't the divine word? Go figure

[referee4]

I say whatever shines ur knob is the way to go or believe

[ricraam]

Just pray!!! God is here!!! have a great day!! Ric

[CarlSagan]

Originally Posted by polluted

I could not RESIST! Jesus birthday was celebrated by early Christians on JANUARY 6 for the first 300 years.

In fact December 25 is the birthday of the European Sun Gog MITHRA which precede Christianity by 1400 years some say 1200yrs anyway Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25, had 12 disciples performed miracles was dead for 3 days then ressurected.

In fact Jesus birthdate was changed by Emperor Constantine a follower of Mithra, 325 council of Nicea.

December 25 is also HORUS birthday which precede Christianity by 3000years.

This is even closer to the MYTH associated with JESUS.

Horus was born of a Virgin Isis, there was a star in the east, he was visited by 3kings with gifts, he was baptized at 12yrs of age, began his ministry at age 30, he had 12 disciples he performed miracles and walked on water.

Horus was crucified buried for 3 days
then ressurected.

DOES THAT RING A BELL?

Greece god Attis 1200yrs before Jesus born of a virgin on December 25, was crucified dead for 3 days then ressucected.

Krishna of India born of a Virgin December 25, 900yrs before Jesus, there was a star in the east, performed miracles crucified then ressurected, I could go on and on. Story of Moses is a plagiarize version (by the Jews) of the much older story of Sargon 2250 before christ(Sumeria, present day Iraq) The ten COMMANDEMENTS is another plagiarize version (by the jews) taken outright from the EGYTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD (spell 125).

Stone tablets with law given to MISIS.

I do hope all of you have the software to watch the videos or you are missing some very interesting points.

The brightest star Sirius align with the 3 stars in the east in Orion belt call the three kings on December 24, which point to the SUN rise on December 25 the winter SOLTICE the birth of the GOD SUN. The ressurection of the SUN was celebrated during the spring EQUINOX or EASTER because thats when the revitalizing spring begins and day time becomes longer than the night.

I wanted to be facetious I would say that ALL THOSE GODS WERE BORN FROM WOMEN WITHOUT THE SEED OF MEN. I strongly believe since Jesus did not leave a book his teachings were corrupted by that heretic homosexual PAUL a criminal, torturer and killer of early Christians who claimed some obscure vision to promote his Mithra religion since he was in actuality Saul from Tarsus where that religion was well known.( I do not understand when and why should the word of criminals and those who are deficient in character become holy and unquestionable.) Religion can make intelligent people act dumb and can make good people DO EVIL THINGS.

On November 2007 Soudi Arabia sentenced a woman to receive 200 lashes of Whip and 6months in prison after GET THIS she was GANG RAPED by 7 men. The SHARIA court claimed SHE was to BLAME not the men(who could not control their lust or penises I presume) because she accepted a ride in a car without a chaperone from an unrelated male. Those are the same Muslim men who created Sharia Mutah laws to give themselves the right to have sex with sucking babies thighs and breasts and claimed that to sodomize a baby is fine. I wonder if those same men would penetrate the baby vaginally, if that BABY would be sentenced to 200 lashes of whip also. People can become blind, and retarded due to religion and the manipulations of religious leaders.

holy shit !!!!

[HappaGuy]

Sheer coincidence!

[ca-grown]

i <3 jesus!!

one love

[cephas]

According to original Egyptian and Greek mythologies (of which I have intensely studied most, for the last 20 years) a lot - most - of your information is wrong, but that's cool, you can find anything online, or in the right kind of bookstore....the question is ; Is it verifiable from multiple sources? Is it what they teach amongst those that still believe these things?

As far as the celebration of Jesus' b-day being in Jan, and that Dec 25 coincides with other pagan holidays that predate Christianity, that is correct.

Much of what we know as "Christianity" today is a perversion of the original beliefs, perpetrated by the early Catholic church (an organization founded to allow the aristocracy to maintain control of a populace that was beginning to swear fealty only to "God", and not to them, a worrisome proposition to a King), who changed and/or added holidays and religious observances, as well as adding the concept of "saints". All to more easily incorporate new believers from conquered nations, and diverse religious beliefs; During first the religious conquest of Europe and then the holy wars.

If you are to believe some sources, The Egyptian Book of the Dead was written by the Hebrew(Jewish) slaves, who really were more than slaves in that society. They engineered the structures they were forced to build, and they were very highly educated, holding positions of authority in many cases...for instance it is widely believed it was the Hebrew slaves who developed and administered most of the ancient Egyptian medicines.....and after the slaves were released and founded Israel, Egypt still maintained a relationship of learning from them....so it is really not surprising there are similarities such as the ten commandments and other mythologies....One of the reasons the Hebrews(Jews) were known as a "chosen people" in the ancient world, is that even as slaves they were an educated, religious, and wealthy people....remember the Jews, and their Egyptian masters, had writing, and medicine when most of Europe was still afraid to leave the cave.

[LemonHerb]

Originally Posted by cephas

According to original Egyptian and Greek mythologies (of which I have intensely studied most, for the last 20 years) a lot - most - of your information is wrong, but that's cool, you can find anything online, or in the right kind of bookstore....the question is ; Is it verifiable from multiple sources? Is it what they teach amongst those that still believe these things?

As far as the celebration of Jesus' b-day being in Jan, and that Dec 25 coincides with other pagan holidays that predate Christianity, that is correct.

Much of what we know as "Christianity" today is a perversion of the original beliefs, perpetrated by the early Catholic church (an organization founded to allow the aristocracy to maintain control of a populace that was beginning to swear fealty only to "God", and not to them, a worrisome proposition to a King), who changed and/or added holidays and religious observances, as well as adding the concept of "saints". All to more easily incorporate new believers from conquered nations, and diverse religious beliefs; During first the religious conquest of Europe and then the holy wars.

If you are to believe some sources, The Egyptian Book of the Dead was written by the Hebrew(Jewish) slaves, who really were more than slaves in that society. They engineered the structures they were forced to build, and they were very highly educated, holding positions of authority in many cases...for instance it is widely believed it was the Hebrew slaves who developed and administered most of the ancient Egyptian medicines.....and after the slaves were released and founded Israel, Egypt still maintained a relationship of learning from them....so it is really not surprising there are similarities such as the ten commandments and other mythologies....One of the reasons the Hebrews(Jews) were known as a "chosen people" in the ancient world, is that even as slaves they were an educated, religious, and wealthy people....remember the Jews, and their Egyptian masters, had writing, and medicine when most of Europe was still afraid to leave the cave.

Any links to sources that correct the information that you say is false? I'd like to read it but I have heard that been said a lot before, that the Egypt correlation claims you see in films like zeitgeist are false. I've also never really heard how widely Hebrew slaves influence was supposed to be over the Egyptian society, do you have any sources linkable about that too?

Also to be fair to Europeans, it did take them an extra 30k years to get there so they had a handicap. But Egypt is a pretty unique area in the ancient world with the way the climate was changing. It makes a lot of sense that society, writing, and religious would spring up so quickly in that area.

[Greenbud]

That's why the MAN doesn't want you to smoke the herb...it liberates the mind to accept and reveal the truth.

The problem with Christianity is Christians. Buddha Jeshua would not side with them. He would stoke a fattie with you and me! His anointing oil was heavily infused with cannabis!

Best,

GB

[cephas]

Most of the stuff I'v read has been in books not online.

Most of the stuff about Jewish influence on ancient Egypt has been written by Jewish scholars too, which make sense. The stuff written by the master says he did it all, the books written by the slave says he did it all. So best to take with a grain of salt and all that.

To me though the Jewish influence makes sense when you consider that after Egypt lost the Jews as slaves their society dipped in power and influence until they began trading with Israel, and then (the time of King Solomon), Israel was the more powerful and educated nation ....Also it sort of makes sense when you consider that the dating of the first few books of the Torah make them the oldest complex, historical, religious writings known (rem. the original Hebrew - Canaanite - is a Semitic language and dates pre-Babylonian), and far older than any known Egyptian writings...Not saying anything about what those writings are about, just saying they are older than some cave drawings....

Think about it the concept of stealing the knowledge and even incorporating the beliefs of a conquered people is common. Rome did it, England did it, the first post in this thread illustrates how the Catholic Church did it, so did Egypt most likely.

If you want I can get you a good bibliography, just need to dig through some boxes to get the names and authors (may take a couple days to get to it though). If I have the time (not likely) I'll do some searches, I'm sure the info is published online someplace. To be honest I'm kind of a snob. If it is not printed in book form I essentially ignore it, with the exception of current events news, I consider the internet to be to full of misinformation to use it as a learning tool. Not saying books aren't full of crap too....really, I think it is just that I love reading books and computers annoy me....

[LemonHerb]

I think there are many other documented reasons for the raises and falls of Egypt than the sudden loss of a bunch of slaves. Such as drought, other nations, and various natural disasters.


Honestly, is there even all that much actual historical evidence of the Jewish presence in Egypt or the exodus outside of religious text? There were many ethnic groups enslaved in Egypt, they were a pretty powerful nation so it's hard to reduce the accomplishments of slaves in Egypt to any specific ethnic group.

When you say the dating of the Torah do you mean it's the oldest religious writings? (source?) or the oldest writing (know this can't be true)? The oldest writing known to Egypt predates the old Kingdom by quite a bit. I saw a special on it once that showed how writing in Egypt arose from the conquering and subsequent taxing of regions around the Nile, and the need to catalog these places and payments prompted them to invent a writing system. Here's an article that references that special The Real Scorpion King - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com


I completely disagree with your assumption that stuff written in books is more accurate than the internet, in face studies seem to point to the opposite. When pitted against each other Wikipedia was seen to be as accurate if not more than hard cover encyclopedias. Also, books on a shelf don't get updated with new information, and things change pretty quickly it seems.

[Greenbud]

Can we get back on topic? That is, Bigfoot in the Bible! Nephilim bastards!

GB

[cephas]

I'm not arguing the merits of internet or books, both have a place. What I said is I can get you the names of books, as far as the internet searches, no promises... I have other obligations. As far as my preference to books, that is what it is a preference.

As far as historical evidence, again it all depends on what you want to read, and then believe. One researcher found several wagon wheels or wreckage of wagons in the Red Sea and carbon dated them to the times most commonly believed to be discussed in the Bible. He said that shows evidence of the Exodus. Another researcher called it a fluke, saying it could have been someone out for a patrol and the wheel broke. Both were published, both respected in different circles. Really we do not, and can not, know in any absolute way, that was a long time ago, and we have problems with recent history being tainted (you know those stories about George Washington are lies right?).

If you go to Egypt's tourism site online they are all over the place stating multiple different studies some of which prove and others disprove an Exodus. Their final analysis is that an exodus may have happened, but the archeological record is incomplete, but was probably different than described in the Bible.

One issue with the Exodus is that Egyptian writings, while some - but not all - do refer to having the Jews as slaves in Egypt, none mention an exodus. Perhaps that means one never happened, perhaps that means it was embarrassing and they simply didn't mention it. One thing to point out is, in general, ancient Egyptian writings talk about their successes, rarely their failures, even those we know about. The truth is, documenting failures is a modern concept....

"History is written by the Victor" is a generally accepted truth, in the circumstances of the Jewish exodus, they were the victor's, and it is their history that mentions it. suggest to an Israeli, or a believer in Judaism that the Egyptian slavery and Exodus didn't happen and you will get an earful I assure you.

As far as the concept of a slave race having a substantial impact on a culture, and the departure of those slaves signaling the downturn of the society, that is evidenced throughout history, and is one of the reasons for slavery to exist...the more slaves you had the more powerful you were, if those slaves left or escaped, you lost power. In modern society we replace slaves with machinery and equipment, but the concept is unchanged, get more better, get less you're a loser. As an example, let's use the USA. How much did the slave culture in America impact the culture and prosperity of the south? Prior to the civil war, the South was the richest part of the US. People from the south were gentlemen or ladies, people from the west or north were uncouth, and unrefined, not nearly as intelligent as those from the south, the objects of a southerner's jokes more often than not. Is that true now? When did the change begin to happen? True there were multiple factors that resulted in the decline of the south, one of the biggest factors was the industrial revolution and how the northern states (which did not use slave labor nearly as much the plantations in the south did-no place for the slaves to live in the city...) used industrial manufacturing and machinery to steal some of the south's political power, but the underlying factor for repelling slavery in the US was as long as the south had slaves the north could not compete with their labor costs, not to mention those plantation owners were not buying the industrialist's machines. The south was not about to buy machinery to replace free labor. So the north supported Mr. Lincoln's desire to end slavery, there was no altruism there. In the long run ending slavery was the absolute best thing that could have been done for this country and it's populace, but it was not great for the south, who has still not yet fully recovered it's former glory and riches (Atlanta's doin' good though) Is it possible that the departure of the slaves in Egypt did the same, yes it is.

Do a search on timelines of the Jews and ancient Egypt and it stands up. Not saying it is what happened, simply offering the hypothetical as that is what all of this is.

On the subject of ancient writings, basically writing developed in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia/Canaan at around the same time. Most any text on ancient writing agrees that there have been tablets found in Egypt inscribed with name of the Pharaoh, and pots assumed to be inscribed with the contents, made within a few years, as tablets containing similar writing found in what would be ancient Mesopotamia and Canaan. This is supported by Historian.net. (though I did not learn it there, I got it from a book) They also talk about how in later years Egyptian writing and Sumerian (became Semitic, became Jewish - why insulting a person of the Jewish faith is anti-Semitic) writing seemed to borrow from each other, the Sumerian writings taking on formal consonants and proper names, the Egyptians taking on vowels I believe.

As far as the absolute oldest, and first writings being found in Egypt, that was never thought until last year when some ancient pots were uncovered that were slightly older than anything else, and had what looked like a basic form of writing on it, thought to be a description of the contents. Early this year there was a new discovery in Pakistan, a tablet inscribed with ancient writing that predated the Egyptian find, making the earliest writing once again, found in what is believed to once have been Sumeria and Canaan. That is from the BBC online, current events and such....

What is not discussed outright in these sites though is that the Egyptian writings are simple descriptions, names and such, the Mesopotamian writings are the first few verses and chapters of Genesis. They mention what the Egyptian writings are of, they exclude talking about the contents of the Mesopotamian writings. For that information you will have to look at either Jewish or Christian archeological sites, it isn't really discussed elsewhere, the Mesopotamian writings are ignored in favor of the Egyptian for the most part ever since the discovery of the Rosetta stone...which was truly a watershed moment for archaeology. Realize those ancient Mesopotamian texts we already know what they say, once we figured out the first couple sentences we knew what it was, there are still arguments on literal translations and such but that is boring, we still basically know what it says before reading it. Before the Rosetta stone the Egyptian writings were almost unknown, hence the focus on Egypt, more in unknown about it, less (so far as we have found) has been written, and less of those writings have made it through to modern times.

Please understand I am not saying any religion has any value, that is up to one to decide for oneself. What I am saying is it is not surprising to realize that Christianity and other religions, both younger and older have a lot of similarities, when you consider that the root of Christianity is Judaism, which is the oldest religion still in popular existence, and it existed in concept before the term Judaism....not to mention they are all beliefs based on human beings trying to interpret similar concepts, and feelings....so of course there are similarities, nothing ground breaking there.

[lighthealer999]

i think it is all the same God, the source, the light and the universal, we have different names for this higher source as we are all different in our culture. so a Hawaiin god would make sense for hawaiins, etc.
it is all good and being spiritual, enlighten

[Kushism_girl]

Originally Posted by polluted

I could not RESIST! Jesus birthday was celebrated by early Christians on JANUARY 6 for the first 300 years.

In fact December 25 is the birthday of the European Sun Gog MITHRA which precede Christianity by 1400 years some say 1200yrs anyway Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25, had 12 disciples performed miracles was dead for 3 days then ressurected.

In fact Jesus birthdate was changed by Emperor Constantine a follower of Mithra, 325 council of Nicea.

December 25 is also HORUS birthday which precede Christianity by 3000years.

This is even closer to the MYTH associated with JESUS.

Horus was born of a Virgin Isis, there was a star in the east, he was visited by 3kings with gifts, he was baptized at 12yrs of age, began his ministry at age 30, he had 12 disciples he performed miracles and walked on water.

Horus was crucified buried for 3 days
then ressurected.

DOES THAT RING A BELL?

Greece god Attis 1200yrs before Jesus born of a virgin on December 25, was crucified dead for 3 days then ressucected.

Krishna of India born of a Virgin December 25, 900yrs before Jesus, there was a star in the east, performed miracles crucified then ressurected, I could go on and on. Story of Moses is a plagiarize version (by the Jews) of the much older story of Sargon 2250 before christ(Sumeria, present day Iraq) The ten COMMANDEMENTS is another plagiarize version (by the jews) taken outright from the EGYTIAN BOOK OF THE DEAD (spell 125).

Stone tablets with law given to MISIS.

I do hope all of you have the software to watch the videos or you are missing some very interesting points.

The brightest star Sirius align with the 3 stars in the east in Orion belt call the three kings on December 24, which point to the SUN rise on December 25 the winter SOLTICE the birth of the GOD SUN. The ressurection of the SUN was celebrated during the spring EQUINOX or EASTER because thats when the revitalizing spring begins and day time becomes longer than the night.

I wanted to be facetious I would say that ALL THOSE GODS WERE BORN FROM WOMEN WITHOUT THE SEED OF MEN. I strongly believe since Jesus did not leave a book his teachings were corrupted by that heretic homosexual PAUL a criminal, torturer and killer of early Christians who claimed some obscure vision to promote his Mithra religion since he was in actuality Saul from Tarsus where that religion was well known.( I do not understand when and why should the word of criminals and those who are deficient in character become holy and unquestionable.) Religion can make intelligent people act dumb and can make good people DO EVIL THINGS.

On November 2007 Soudi Arabia sentenced a woman to receive 200 lashes of Whip and 6months in prison after GET THIS she was GANG RAPED by 7 men. The SHARIA court claimed SHE was to BLAME not the men(who could not control their lust or penises I presume) because she accepted a ride in a car without a chaperone from an unrelated male. Those are the same Muslim men who created Sharia Mutah laws to give themselves the right to have sex with sucking babies thighs and breasts and claimed that to sodomize a baby is fine. I wonder if those same men would penetrate the baby vaginally, if that BABY would be sentenced to 200 lashes of whip also. People can become blind, and retarded due to religion and the manipulations of religious leaders.

This is the exact same lecture my Philo 8 professor gave on the first day of class. Damn, that was 7 years ago and you totally brought back some college days nostalgia.

[dpla]

I believe the concept of mono-theism originated with Egypt's Pharaoh Amenhotep III.