[EarthMama]

I'm a MMJ patient, and am also an Ordained Minister thru the Universal Church. Anyone can get ordained. I haven't preached since I was 16, but I could start any day, now...Is MMJ usage OK if I have a minister's Certification because I can use it for religious purposes, as well as being a patient? Am I "extra Legal" now?
I figured this would get people stirred up and thinking...Please, let's be peaceful in our replies. Thanks.

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by EarthMama

I'm a MMJ patient, and am also an Ordained Minister thru the Universal Church. Anyone can get ordained. I haven't preached since I was 16, but I could start any day, now...Is MMJ usage OK if I have a minister's Certification because I can use it for religious purposes, as well as being a patient? Am I "extra Legal" now?
I figured this would get people stirred up and thinking...Please, let's be peaceful in our replies. Thanks.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Marijuana use is not protected under the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment in any way, shape, or form. Not according to U.S. jurisprudence anyway (see Oregon v Smith).

Good question, though.

[kusher]

nope.

[EarthMama]

Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

I don't mean to sound harsh, but ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Marijuana use is not protected under the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment in any way, shape, or form. Not according to U.S. jurisprudence anyway (see Oregon v Smith).

Good question, though.

Thanks for telling me it was a good question, though. I figured it'd get some replies and already got a couple...

Just a question...Nothing personal, everybody!

[Greenbud]

Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

I don't mean to sound harsh, but ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! Marijuana use is not protected under the Free Exercise clause of the First Amendment in any way, shape, or form. Not according to U.S. jurisprudence anyway (see Oregon v Smith).

Good question, though.

VooDoo Chile is correct that it is still illegal, but should it be illegal or remain illegal for it to be recognized as a legitimate sacrament?

Consider the evidence:

The illegality of cannabis in many nations is evidence that persecution of marijuana is a reality. It's not surprising that it is illegal, seeing it as a powerful substance that opens people's minds to the truth — something the System, Big Brother, Babylon, whatever the name, clearly does not want. They push pills and alcohol in contrast to herb. Alcohol and other drugs truly destroy the mind.

The smoking of cannabis enjoys Biblical sanction, and is an aid to meditation and religious observance. Among Biblical verses that seem to quote cannabis or justify the use of cannabis include:

* Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
* Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb-bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
* Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
* Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."[2]
* Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."

According to some scholars, the etymology of the word "cannabis" and similar terms in all the languages of the Near East may be traced to the Hebrew "qaneh bosm" קנה-בשם, which is one of the herbs God commanded Moses to include in his preparation of sacred anointing perfume in Exodus 30:23; the Hebrew term also appears in Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20; Ezekiel 27:19; and Song of Songs 4:14. Deuterocanonical and canonical references to the patriarchs Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses "burning incense before the Lord" are also applied, and tradition holds that cannabis was the first plant to grow on King Solomon's grave and was the Burning Bush and Tree of Life.

Here's more evidence that even Jesus may have been a stoner! A Polish scholar has studied this subject:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Did_Jesus_use_drugs

For more than a century various researchers have been trying to bring attention to potential cannabis references within the Old Testament. "Like the ancient Greeks, the Old Testament Israelites were surrounded by marijuana-using peoples. A British physician, Dr. C. Creighton, concluded in 1903 that several references to marijuana can be found in the Old Testament. Examples are the "honeycomb" referred to in the Song of Solomon, 5:1, and the "honeywood" in I Samuel 14: 25-45" (Consumer Reports 1972).
Of the historical material indicating the Hebraic use of cannabis, the strongest and most profound piece of evidence was established in 1936 by Sula Benet (a.k.a. Sara Benetowa), a Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw. Benet later stated that: "In the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant"(Benet 1975). Through comparative etymological study, Bennett documented that in the Old Testament and in its Aramaic translation, the Targum Onculos, hemp is referred to as q'neh bosm which (variously translated as kaneh bosem, keneh bosem, kaniebosm ) and is also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus. The root " kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". This word appeared in Exodus 30:23, Song of Songs 4:14., Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19.
Benet's etymological research regarding the Hebrew terms q'eneh bosem' and q'eneh' was based upon tracing the modern word 'cannabis' back through history to show the similarities between the cognitive pronunciation of cannabis and q'eneh bosem' and as well as compared the term to the names used for cannabis by contemporary kingdoms, such as the Assyrian and Babylonians terms for the plant 'qunubu' . In fact the term "q'neh bosem' is the Hebrew transliteration of an earlier Indo-European term for the plant 'canna' . This term left traces through the vernacular 'an' seen in various modern terms for c'an'nabis, such as the Indian bh'a'ng, the French ch'an'vre, the Dutch c'an'vas and the German h'an'f.
This use of an Indo-European word in the Semetic language shows that the ritual use of cannabis came to the Hebrews from foreign sources and as an item of trade, it retained the core aspects of its original name. Indeed, in both the Jeremiah and Ezekiel references referred to by Benet, cannabis is identified as coming from a foreign land, and indeed as the additional references noted by Benet tell when put into the context of the Biblical storyline, this foreign association with the plant may in fact have been the cause of its disfavor amongst the ancient Hebrews. Initially appearing in favor, as part of a list of ingredients in a holy anointing oil, which when bestowed upon a chosen individual made him 'the anointed one', which in Hebrew is rendered the 'Messiah' and later in Greek the 'Christ'. But this love affair was not to last… As Prof. Carl Ruck a linguist and mythologist, along with his equally educated co-authors have also noted:
"Chrismation was ,,,a mode of administering healing balms. In the Old Testament, chrismation involves pouring the anointing oil over the head, which functions to purify (obviously in a spiritual sense, not to cleanse physically) and to confer power, strength, or majesty. Its most common occurrence is the coronation of kings, which sometimes is accomplished by Yahweh, himself; but priests and prophet-shamans are also anointed, as also are objects to set them aside from profane use. In Exodus 30,23 sq., Yahweh specifies the ingredients for the chrism, making clear that such unguents contained herbal additives to the oil: Cannabis sativa (kaneh bosm, usually translated "aromatic cane") is combined with perfuming spices (cinnamon, cassia, and myrrh) in oil. ...
"The psychoactivity of the "spices" in the anointing oil, in addition to the Cannabis, deserves attention. Cinnamon and cassia are mild to moderate stimulants. Myrrh is reputed to have medical properties. ...
",,,,Cannabis… appears several times through out the Old Testament. The word in question is kaneh bosm, … now translated as "calamus," the mistranslation starting as early as the Septuagint. Kaneh bosm occurs also in Song of Songs 4.14, where it grows in an orchard of exotic fruits, herbs, and spices: on the Song of Songs as an ethnobotanical encomium of the entheogen. It occurs also in Isaiah 43,24 where Yahweh lists amongst the slights not received in sacrifice… and Jeremiah 6,20, where Yahweh, displeased with his people, rejects such an offering; and Ezekiel 27.19, where it occurs in a catalogue of the luxurious items in the import trade of Tyre. Benet concludes that these references confirm that hemp was used by the Hebrews as incense and intoxicant.

Best,

GB

[mooniegoogoo]

Look at hawaii, my understanding is that in that state thats the only way its legal, maybe I'm wrong.

[pinotgreens]

God loves us all!

[ZENITH]

Originally Posted by EarthMama

I'm a MMJ patient, and am also an Ordained Minister thru the Universal Church. Anyone can get ordained. I haven't preached since I was 16, but I could start any day, now...Is MMJ usage OK if I have a minister's Certification because I can use it for religious purposes, as well as being a patient? Am I "extra Legal" now?
I figured this would get people stirred up and thinking...Please, let's be peaceful in our replies. Thanks.

Even though...kaneh bosom is in the bible..an god said he has given us every herb...

The united states goverment says no...marijuana is not legal.

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by Greenbud

VooDoo Chile is correct that it is still illegal, but should it be illegal or remain illegal for it to be recognized as a legitimate sacrament?

Consider the evidence:

The illegality of cannabis in many nations is evidence that persecution of marijuana is a reality. It's not surprising that it is illegal, seeing it as a powerful substance that opens people's minds to the truth — something the System, Big Brother, Babylon, whatever the name, clearly does not want. They push pills and alcohol in contrast to herb. Alcohol and other drugs truly destroy the mind.

The smoking of cannabis enjoys Biblical sanction, and is an aid to meditation and religious observance. Among Biblical verses that seem to quote cannabis or justify the use of cannabis include:

* Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
* Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb-bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
* Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
* Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."[2]
* Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."

According to some scholars, the etymology of the word "cannabis" and similar terms in all the languages of the Near East may be traced to the Hebrew "qaneh bosm" קנה-בשם, which is one of the herbs God commanded Moses to include in his preparation of sacred anointing perfume in Exodus 30:23; the Hebrew term also appears in Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20; Ezekiel 27:19; and Song of Songs 4:14. Deuterocanonical and canonical references to the patriarchs Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses "burning incense before the Lord" are also applied, and tradition holds that cannabis was the first plant to grow on King Solomon's grave and was the Burning Bush and Tree of Life.

Here's more evidence that even Jesus may have been a stoner! A Polish scholar has studied this subject:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Did_Jesus_use_drugs

For more than a century various researchers have been trying to bring attention to potential cannabis references within the Old Testament. "Like the ancient Greeks, the Old Testament Israelites were surrounded by marijuana-using peoples. A British physician, Dr. C. Creighton, concluded in 1903 that several references to marijuana can be found in the Old Testament. Examples are the "honeycomb" referred to in the Song of Solomon, 5:1, and the "honeywood" in I Samuel 14: 25-45" (Consumer Reports 1972).
Of the historical material indicating the Hebraic use of cannabis, the strongest and most profound piece of evidence was established in 1936 by Sula Benet (a.k.a. Sara Benetowa), a Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw. Benet later stated that: "In the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant"(Benet 1975). Through comparative etymological study, Bennett documented that in the Old Testament and in its Aramaic translation, the Targum Onculos, hemp is referred to as q'neh bosm which (variously translated as kaneh bosem, keneh bosem, kaniebosm ) and is also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus. The root " kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". This word appeared in Exodus 30:23, Song of Songs 4:14., Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19.
Benet's etymological research regarding the Hebrew terms q'eneh bosem' and q'eneh' was based upon tracing the modern word 'cannabis' back through history to show the similarities between the cognitive pronunciation of cannabis and q'eneh bosem' and as well as compared the term to the names used for cannabis by contemporary kingdoms, such as the Assyrian and Babylonians terms for the plant 'qunubu' . In fact the term "q'neh bosem' is the Hebrew transliteration of an earlier Indo-European term for the plant 'canna' . This term left traces through the vernacular 'an' seen in various modern terms for c'an'nabis, such as the Indian bh'a'ng, the French ch'an'vre, the Dutch c'an'vas and the German h'an'f.
This use of an Indo-European word in the Semetic language shows that the ritual use of cannabis came to the Hebrews from foreign sources and as an item of trade, it retained the core aspects of its original name. Indeed, in both the Jeremiah and Ezekiel references referred to by Benet, cannabis is identified as coming from a foreign land, and indeed as the additional references noted by Benet tell when put into the context of the Biblical storyline, this foreign association with the plant may in fact have been the cause of its disfavor amongst the ancient Hebrews. Initially appearing in favor, as part of a list of ingredients in a holy anointing oil, which when bestowed upon a chosen individual made him 'the anointed one', which in Hebrew is rendered the 'Messiah' and later in Greek the 'Christ'. But this love affair was not to last… As Prof. Carl Ruck a linguist and mythologist, along with his equally educated co-authors have also noted:
"Chrismation was ,,,a mode of administering healing balms. In the Old Testament, chrismation involves pouring the anointing oil over the head, which functions to purify (obviously in a spiritual sense, not to cleanse physically) and to confer power, strength, or majesty. Its most common occurrence is the coronation of kings, which sometimes is accomplished by Yahweh, himself; but priests and prophet-shamans are also anointed, as also are objects to set them aside from profane use. In Exodus 30,23 sq., Yahweh specifies the ingredients for the chrism, making clear that such unguents contained herbal additives to the oil: Cannabis sativa (kaneh bosm, usually translated "aromatic cane") is combined with perfuming spices (cinnamon, cassia, and myrrh) in oil. ...
"The psychoactivity of the "spices" in the anointing oil, in addition to the Cannabis, deserves attention. Cinnamon and cassia are mild to moderate stimulants. Myrrh is reputed to have medical properties. ...
",,,,Cannabis… appears several times through out the Old Testament. The word in question is kaneh bosm, … now translated as "calamus," the mistranslation starting as early as the Septuagint. Kaneh bosm occurs also in Song of Songs 4.14, where it grows in an orchard of exotic fruits, herbs, and spices: on the Song of Songs as an ethnobotanical encomium of the entheogen. It occurs also in Isaiah 43,24 where Yahweh lists amongst the slights not received in sacrifice… and Jeremiah 6,20, where Yahweh, displeased with his people, rejects such an offering; and Ezekiel 27.19, where it occurs in a catalogue of the luxurious items in the import trade of Tyre. Benet concludes that these references confirm that hemp was used by the Hebrews as incense and intoxicant.

Best,

GB

Dude, how many times do I have to say that our opinions are entirely irrelevent? That's nice; you and I agree that there's room for religious use of marijuana under the Free Excerise Clause of the First Amendent. Now convince the Court to adopt your postition.

Again, I don't mean to be harsh, but why bother preaching to the choir, especially about an issue that's more or less legally closed? The Court is utterly devoid of any democractic elements, so there's NO WAY to change it. Perhaps in the distant furture, the Court will revisit this matter. There's a tiny shred of hope because Oregon v Smith was a 5/3 decision (one Justice sat out), but the case was decided in 1990. Tragically, the Court's moved even further to the right since that time.

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by ZENITH

Even though...kaneh bosom is in the bible..an god said he has given us every herb...

The united states goverment says no...marijuana is not legal.

Please don't use the bible to attack or defend U.S. law. The bible has no legal weight whatsoever.

[coldfire23mj]

Originally Posted by Greenbud

VooDoo Chile is correct that it is still illegal, but should it be illegal or remain illegal for it to be recognized as a legitimate sacrament?

Consider the evidence:

The illegality of cannabis in many nations is evidence that persecution of marijuana is a reality. It's not surprising that it is illegal, seeing it as a powerful substance that opens people's minds to the truth — something the System, Big Brother, Babylon, whatever the name, clearly does not want. They push pills and alcohol in contrast to herb. Alcohol and other drugs truly destroy the mind.

The smoking of cannabis enjoys Biblical sanction, and is an aid to meditation and religious observance. Among Biblical verses that seem to quote cannabis or justify the use of cannabis include:

* Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
* Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb-bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."
* Genesis 3:18 "... thou shalt eat the herb of the field."
* Proverbs 15:17 "Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith."[2]
* Psalms 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man."

According to some scholars, the etymology of the word "cannabis" and similar terms in all the languages of the Near East may be traced to the Hebrew "qaneh bosm" קנה-בשם, which is one of the herbs God commanded Moses to include in his preparation of sacred anointing perfume in Exodus 30:23; the Hebrew term also appears in Isaiah 43:24; Jeremiah 6:20; Ezekiel 27:19; and Song of Songs 4:14. Deuterocanonical and canonical references to the patriarchs Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses "burning incense before the Lord" are also applied, and tradition holds that cannabis was the first plant to grow on King Solomon's grave and was the Burning Bush and Tree of Life.

Here's more evidence that even Jesus may have been a stoner! A Polish scholar has studied this subject:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Discuss:Did_Jesus_use_drugs

For more than a century various researchers have been trying to bring attention to potential cannabis references within the Old Testament. "Like the ancient Greeks, the Old Testament Israelites were surrounded by marijuana-using peoples. A British physician, Dr. C. Creighton, concluded in 1903 that several references to marijuana can be found in the Old Testament. Examples are the "honeycomb" referred to in the Song of Solomon, 5:1, and the "honeywood" in I Samuel 14: 25-45" (Consumer Reports 1972).
Of the historical material indicating the Hebraic use of cannabis, the strongest and most profound piece of evidence was established in 1936 by Sula Benet (a.k.a. Sara Benetowa), a Polish etymologist from the Institute of Anthropological Sciences in Warsaw. Benet later stated that: "In the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament there are references to hemp, both as incense, which was an integral part of religious celebration, and as an intoxicant"(Benet 1975). Through comparative etymological study, Bennett documented that in the Old Testament and in its Aramaic translation, the Targum Onculos, hemp is referred to as q'neh bosm which (variously translated as kaneh bosem, keneh bosem, kaniebosm ) and is also rendered in traditional Hebrew as kannabos or kannabus. The root " kan" in this construction means "reed" or "hemp", while "bosm" means "aromatic". This word appeared in Exodus 30:23, Song of Songs 4:14., Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, Ezekiel 27:19.
Benet's etymological research regarding the Hebrew terms q'eneh bosem' and q'eneh' was based upon tracing the modern word 'cannabis' back through history to show the similarities between the cognitive pronunciation of cannabis and q'eneh bosem' and as well as compared the term to the names used for cannabis by contemporary kingdoms, such as the Assyrian and Babylonians terms for the plant 'qunubu' . In fact the term "q'neh bosem' is the Hebrew transliteration of an earlier Indo-European term for the plant 'canna' . This term left traces through the vernacular 'an' seen in various modern terms for c'an'nabis, such as the Indian bh'a'ng, the French ch'an'vre, the Dutch c'an'vas and the German h'an'f.
This use of an Indo-European word in the Semetic language shows that the ritual use of cannabis came to the Hebrews from foreign sources and as an item of trade, it retained the core aspects of its original name. Indeed, in both the Jeremiah and Ezekiel references referred to by Benet, cannabis is identified as coming from a foreign land, and indeed as the additional references noted by Benet tell when put into the context of the Biblical storyline, this foreign association with the plant may in fact have been the cause of its disfavor amongst the ancient Hebrews. Initially appearing in favor, as part of a list of ingredients in a holy anointing oil, which when bestowed upon a chosen individual made him 'the anointed one', which in Hebrew is rendered the 'Messiah' and later in Greek the 'Christ'. But this love affair was not to last… As Prof. Carl Ruck a linguist and mythologist, along with his equally educated co-authors have also noted:
"Chrismation was ,,,a mode of administering healing balms. In the Old Testament, chrismation involves pouring the anointing oil over the head, which functions to purify (obviously in a spiritual sense, not to cleanse physically) and to confer power, strength, or majesty. Its most common occurrence is the coronation of kings, which sometimes is accomplished by Yahweh, himself; but priests and prophet-shamans are also anointed, as also are objects to set them aside from profane use. In Exodus 30,23 sq., Yahweh specifies the ingredients for the chrism, making clear that such unguents contained herbal additives to the oil: Cannabis sativa (kaneh bosm, usually translated "aromatic cane") is combined with perfuming spices (cinnamon, cassia, and myrrh) in oil. ...
"The psychoactivity of the "spices" in the anointing oil, in addition to the Cannabis, deserves attention. Cinnamon and cassia are mild to moderate stimulants. Myrrh is reputed to have medical properties. ...
",,,,Cannabis… appears several times through out the Old Testament. The word in question is kaneh bosm, … now translated as "calamus," the mistranslation starting as early as the Septuagint. Kaneh bosm occurs also in Song of Songs 4.14, where it grows in an orchard of exotic fruits, herbs, and spices: on the Song of Songs as an ethnobotanical encomium of the entheogen. It occurs also in Isaiah 43,24 where Yahweh lists amongst the slights not received in sacrifice… and Jeremiah 6,20, where Yahweh, displeased with his people, rejects such an offering; and Ezekiel 27.19, where it occurs in a catalogue of the luxurious items in the import trade of Tyre. Benet concludes that these references confirm that hemp was used by the Hebrews as incense and intoxicant.

Best,

GB

thanks greenbud,
i thought this was pretty informative.

[TheHerbalCenter]

“Herb is the healing of a nation, alcohol is the destruction.” -- You may find your legal healing in his words, but simply using it to say it's a meditative enhancer is not going to heal you or anyone else.

Many people claim their pious views to do heinous things in life, herbs are peaceful, it brings something bigger and better to it's patients than a heighten religious experience. It heals their ailments and calms their soul, allowing them to live healthy lives. Think of the damage that organized religion brings to the nations, tokein' it up is never going to bring damage to the world the way organized religions has. It lacks healing properties. Now spiritual people living in a human world, I get.

[fish2find]

I saw this before and thought about the perks. My wife insists it would be bad kharma and wont let me do it, but for 10.00 anyone can become ordained.

http://www.pulc.com/minister.php

While I call myself a "recovering Catholic" Im still scared to mess with religious stuffs.