[USCRooR]

There is something that is always in the back of my mind, a question I could never really answer myself.

Many people such as willie nelson, and even your friends might use it.
Some church organizations base their beliefs on it, and theres nothing wrong with that.

its a saying, that Weed is a plant put on the Earth by God for us to use, and that it is not the governments job to regulate that concept. It is said that marijuana is not a drug, but a plant, a flower, an herb, medicine, how could it be bad, it grows naturally after all.

As I do not participate in anything else but its medical use, (i dislike cigarettes, alcohol, coke, ex, etc) I always wondered. Since I assume most people reading this are not "drug addicts" (The reason i am against all the other stuff mainly and refuse to ever try it is because id never want to give the critisizm of marijuana as a gateway drug any truth) the question of MUSHROOMS bothers me.

I mean, technically, mushrooms grow naturally, it is a hallucinogen, but God did put it on this earth, it is a plant, and it does grow, but does that mean its okay ?

The whole reason that marijuana is okay (or some people say so) is because you dont really have to do anything to it.

its not like coke, or ex, or anything because all those things must go through a process where as in marijuana you can take it of the plant and straight into your bowl (after you dry it a little)

I personally dont approve of shrooms (but im sure many will disagree) but this isnt about that.

I just want to know how the reason of marijuana being placed here by God could have any value to it? how can that make it okay?

IMO, i believe that this reason should be discarded. It simply doesnt work. Dont get me wrong, I am not against medical marijuana, but i just think there needs to be better reasons than just "God put it here so its okay" . im mainly speaking from a religious view point.

I was just wondering if that thought had ever crossed anyone elses mind?

Input is appreciated

[greenchuck]

this is something i have thought about also u
i teach sunday school. i was concerned that i was being a hypocrite. the Bible says that no drunkard will pass through the gates of heaven. sometimes i feel convicted because the society we live in has put a stigma on marijuana users. if it is the same as alcohol then i am a drunkard. yet here is a plant that helps some people that are sick or broken.
i have used mj for 32+ years, 20 years as a drug and now 12 years as a med. now that i am disabled from work with a failed back surgery seven years ago, mmj (note the extra m) is a medicine that helps in many ways. it fights my depression, relieves the constant pain in my back and legs, and stops muscle spasms in my legs in the middle of the night, helps to sleep for more than an hour at a time and sometimes helps me to forget i hurt. that short term memory loss is good for something.
i went back to school and got 3 aa degrees since i have been hurt so i am not that stupid. if it is a medicine then it should be okay with God, but if it is like
'strong drink', not like wine then we are sinning. the Bible says a little wine is good for the stomach, but this could be because the water was not fit to drink then but the fermented wine was. if we disrespect our bodies and poison it with the tars and other unhealthy substances burnt in a joint, we are sinning. if we use it wisely as a medicine in the safest way we know to stay healthy, california made the law that it is recognised as a med, we should be okay. the Bible says you are to follow the laws of the land. but who knows. ya don't get a written reciept saying you are in the book of Life opened at the end of time.
chuck

[The Urban Spaceman]

you Humans crack me up...

just smoke it an settle down. you don't need God to make it OK.

[HappaGuy]

People are always looking for permission from the clear blue sky.

We are responsible for ourselves. Too many adults use religion as a sort of surrogate parent to relieve them of the problem of thinking for themselves, of coming to clear decisions in the inherently ambiguous context of real life.

I don't know there is a "god" but I do sense* there is, and ganja seems to me the best evidence I've seen that that god may be kind. despite all appearances to the contrary.

*On the other hand, I know I have temporal lobe epilepsy, and we TLE'ers are notorious for compulsive metaphysical thinking.

[Eagle]

I don't have any answers for God nor do I want to try to answer for him but I see it as a natural herb with only positive effects,if used properly. Very little negative effects, if any. Why the hell should we even have to use excuses to make ourselves feel pain free and relieved from the stresses of the world? I think people should be free to smoke marijuana as they please,medicinal use or not

[kennabis]

goddess says, go for it..!!!

man says, hhhmmm, let me think about it several different ways, hhmmmm.....

[Dieselworks]

I think it best to get this one straight from the "horse's mouth" so to speak.

"God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food. 30 To every animal of the earth, and to every bird of the sky, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food;" and it was so. 31 God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, a sixth day." Genesis 1:30-31

[greenchuck]

gotta believe in something , if we don't we will be lost.
CSN
chuck

[Dieselworks]

I believe that gonna take another Sour D vape hit. Peace.

[greenchuck]

hey D,
the best part is this is the only day He said "it was VERY good"

i don't need permission or approval, but i am concious of my decisions on how i live my life and respect others. it hasn't hurt me yet.

what is wrong with 'love others as you do yourself' as the most important way to live?
chuck

i sure am blessed with a green thumb. if God didn't want me to smoke maybe He wouldn't let it grow so well ;)

share the love and the bud.

[Thraxz]

I think to many interpretations create all these laws of oppression... What does you can drink just don't be a drunkard mean? Everything I made is good as long as you give prayer and thanksgiving!! The tree of life is all the Green Plants, That which gives the breadth of life...
I give you herbs to produce seeds to use as meat..Realistically lets see what the war on drugs has done, Killed the family farm, Imprisoned our youth and our men, Caused an environmental disaster. A financial downfall of a Nation and the World if were not careful.It has made man lazy, and abandon God!!! We are told to accept this accept that, You are your own God, a master of your destiny..
I believe that by us turning from our Natural selves, Being self sufficient and tending the earth, Being a steward of this planet, Giving thanks to the Great I am Who I am!! We come to this...

Take things a little more literally rather then try to give interpretations..Everyone of us are so different and get offended so easily..

Jesus saved us, Lincoln Freed us, And Cannabis Hemp could fix it all!!

What other plant could feed you, Clothe you, Fuel you, Shelter you, and help your ailments? Its the only plant that can make you economically and independently free from any form of government..It can heal the mind, Body, and Soul!! Grow it Big!!!Save the planet!! Nothing else seems to be!!

[Thraxz]

Some people are builders, Some are thinkers, Some are farmers..Thats me!! I have a natural green thumb as well!!

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

you Humans crack me up...

just smoke it an settle down. you don't need God to make it OK.

LOL Well put! It is not complicated. Plenty of plants are poisonous, and plenty of plants help us alot.

[clinton]

Before MJ was made a schedule 1 drug, it was a component of 95+ medicines and was sold in drug stores. It was called cannabis then and everyone used it from children to grandmas. It helped everyone in various ways like MMJ does today. Even the clergy used it. Cannabis is nothing like alcohol, so comparing cannabis use to drinking is a lie. There are no prohibitions in the Bible about cannabis.

Then a name change to marijuana. I was an idea of a FDA employee who wanted job security. If they said that cannabis was bad - everyone would have laughed. So call it marijuana (a foreign word) - do a racial smear about the Mexicans and blacks using it. Then publish Reefer Madness - scare parents into believing marijuana drives people crazy and makes them have sex or do violent things. Show a black man and a blond girl to scare the crap out of the parents. The mob demands this be stopped. It was lied about and made to be dangerous and evil for untrue reasons.

Now 75 years of brain washing has a nation of zombies when marijuana is the topic of discussion. Clergy is brain washed also.

The truth is that cannabis by any other name, is a healing herb and harmless. It is not toxic.

clinton

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by clinton

Now 75 years of brain washing has a nation of zombies when marijuana is the topic of discussion. Clergy is brain washed also.

The truth is that cannabis by any other name, is a healing herb and harmless. It is not toxic.

clinton

Isn't that the damn truth

[Dieselworks]

Originally Posted by USCRooR

There is something that is always in the back of my mind, a question I could never really answer myself.

Many people such as willie nelson, and even your friends might use it.
Some church organizations base their beliefs on it, and theres nothing wrong with that.

its a saying, that Weed is a plant put on the Earth by God for us to use, and that it is not the governments job to regulate that concept. It is said that marijuana is not a drug, but a plant, a flower, an herb, medicine, how could it be bad, it grows naturally after all.

As I do not participate in anything else but its medical use, (i dislike cigarettes, alcohol, coke, ex, etc) I always wondered. Since I assume most people reading this are not "drug addicts" (The reason i am against all the other stuff mainly and refuse to ever try it is because id never want to give the critisizm of marijuana as a gateway drug any truth) the question of MUSHROOMS bothers me.

I mean, technically, mushrooms grow naturally, it is a hallucinogen, but God did put it on this earth, it is a plant, and it does grow, but does that mean its okay ?

The whole reason that marijuana is okay (or some people say so) is because you dont really have to do anything to it.

its not like coke, or ex, or anything because all those things must go through a process where as in marijuana you can take it of the plant and straight into your bowl (after you dry it a little)

I personally dont approve of shrooms (but im sure many will disagree) but this isnt about that.

I just want to know how the reason of marijuana being placed here by God could have any value to it? how can that make it okay?

IMO, i believe that this reason should be discarded. It simply doesnt work. Dont get me wrong, I am not against medical marijuana, but i just think there needs to be better reasons than just "God put it here so its okay" . im mainly speaking from a religious view point.

I was just wondering if that thought had ever crossed anyone elses mind?

Input is appreciated

The point of my first post was to clarify what you meant by "God put it here so its okay". Historically, this is the quote that is used to support the "God made it, and everything he made is good" argument.

Secondly, I think your thread illustrates very nicely the difference between organic and inorganic drug. IMHO it should be the inorganic that should be illegal. More people died from over-the-counter and prescription drugs this year, than have every died from sacred herb and mushrooms put together.

Thirdly, I think the issue is a little more complicated than poison or no poison. I can think of more than one poisonous plant that also has medicinal uses. ( Im not saying that MMJ is harmful just saying that harm should not be the only measure of medicinal use) Castor Oil ( love that molecular structure) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castor_oil

"I just want to know how the reason of marijuana being placed here by God could have any value to it? how can that make it okay?"

This is a matter of Faith. If you believe in God, you believe what he created is good, per "Gods" word in Genesis. This is enough for the "faithful".

[cdrepoman]

preach on the kind comes from the good side and is good for you too!

[kindness]

:slaugh:please tell me whats the problem with mushrooms?:sbounce:

[Oblige_Metal]

did anyone ever consider the option that god doesn't exist? yeah, i know there is a higher power. but that isn't the argument. god has nothing to do with MMJ. it comes down to people should be able to do what they want to their bodies as long as they don't harm others. if i want to put marijuana into my body, that should be my choice.

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

you Humans crack me up...

just smoke it an settle down. you don't need God to make it OK.

Bro just said it all: whose god you talkin about, anyway? Its perfect.

Originally Posted by Oblige_Metal

did anyone ever consider the option that god doesn't exist? yeah, i know there is a higher power. but that isn't the argument. god has nothing to do with MMJ. it comes down to people should be able to do what they want to their bodies as long as they don't harm others. if i want to put marijuana into my body, that should be my choice.

saint jimi said "I'm going to be the one to die when its my time to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to."
amen

[OakSmokeMJA]

Originally Posted by USCRooR

I personally dont approve of shrooms (but im sure many will disagree) but this isnt about that.

I just want to know how the reason of marijuana being placed here by God could have any value to it?

The contradiction is not with the plant but in our mind.
Judge not, lest ye be judged. That means that it is not for any of us to approve or disapprove; not only will others judge us right back, but we will find judgement on ourselves. This is our dilema. Losing the judgement will free our mind.

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

you Humans crack me up...

just smoke it an settle down. you don't need God to make it OK.

thats easy for you to say Spaceman, your planet's gods are more evolved than ours!

Originally Posted by HappaGuy

I don't know there is a "god" but I do sense* there is, and ganja seems to me the best evidence I've seen that that god may be kind. despite all appearances to the contrary.

*On the other hand, I know I have temporal lobe epilepsy, and we TLE'ers are notorious for compulsive metaphysical thinking.

This is why I love HappaGuy.

Wasn't that Meister Eckhart? "Marijuana is proof that god exists and wants us to be happy." :slaugh:

Originally Posted by kennabis

goddess says, go for it..!!!

man says, hhhmmm, let me think about it several different ways, hhmmmm.....

Gaia be with you, kennabis.

[USCRooR]

well. first off.

HOLY (i didnt think this thread would even get a response)

the only reason i ask this question in the religion and faith section was because it had to do with God.

unfortunately, I personally am a realist. So, I can care less what religion thinks about what I do. I went to Catholic school and listening to people follow order like that made me laugh (i only went the last 2 years of high school)

However, I dont believe in Anarchy and I'm not here to bash religion.

I was just curious how OTHER people could justify it. especially with the coexistence of other plants like mushrooms or castor oil etc..

IMO its just a bad arguement. thats all.

[USCRooR]

Originally Posted by The Urban Spaceman

you Humans crack me up...

just smoke it an settle down. you don't need God to make it OK.

I do smoke it and settle down (preferably with some true OG or skywalker from NNCC)

however, I just wanted to ask a question.

thats what WTer is for... right?

and i dont even believe in religion.

[superface13]

Originally Posted by kindness

:slaugh:please tell me whats the problem with mushrooms?:sbounce:

Nothing....they're great on my pizza. They're not even plants....they're fungi.
They don't photosynthesize their food like plants. They feed off of whatever they are growing on. They don't have seeds...they have spores. Hallucenogenic (I have no idea how to spell that) shrooms taste like shit because that's what they grow out of and feed on. I don't do shrooms anymore because they make me WAY too paranoid.