[HappaGuy]

FYI I reproduce below a flyer I was given earlier today by an SF activist .

I know the facts in question to be true, having witnessed said person testify against Ed Rosenthal on behalf of the DEA some years ago, and having observed that he continues to operate at least two clubs unhindered since, and having considered the worrisome implications of all this.

Worrisome Implication #1: Please note that *** ****** has both of his clubs extensively wired for video *** *****[redacted, I don't _know_ about sound]. It seems reasonable to infer that if you enter his clubs you are on his cameras, and if you are on his cameras you are in DEAth files.

PROTEST THE PERMITTING OF FEDERAL WITNESS AND MEDICAL CANNABIS CO-OP OWNER *** ******

THIS THURSDAY OCTOBER 11TH AT 2PM SF CITY HALL 4TH FLOOR

DEMAND THAT THE SF PLANNING COMMISSION RESPECT THE LAW AND NOT ACT IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH OUR CITY'S SANCTUARY STATUS FOR MEDICAL CANNABIS

NO PERMITS FOR FEDERAL COOPERATION!! *** ****** OWNER OF 10TH AND MISSION STREET CENTER HAS GIVEN FEDERAL TESTIMONY

AGAINST CITY DEPUTIZED GROWER AND WORLD RESPECTED CANNABIS CULTIVATION EXPERT ** ROSENTHAL (ASK ED FROM HIGH TIMES)

IF YOU CANNOT ATTEND PLEASE WRITE EMAIL OF CONCERN TO THE CLERK OF THE COMMISSION

LINDA.AVERY@SFGOV.ORG and please call planning commission at 558-6378 every call counts!!!

FOR MORE INFORMATION AND COURT TRANSCRIPTS PLEASE VISIT WWW.GREEN-AID.ORG

NO PROFITS OVER PATIENTS! NO PERMITS FOR RATS!!

*rat pic* *moneybags pic*

[squatter420]

Occasional pickets at this place might get the message across to unknowing patients. Driving him out of business is going to be the only way to get rid of this guy.

[HappaGuy]

Originally Posted by squatter420

Occasional pickets at this place might get the message across to unknowing patients. Driving him out of business is going to be the only way to get rid of this guy.

The pickets might have to be more than occasional. Mr. Martin's (hereafter referred to more scatologically as "B.M.") money carries a lot of weight in this town.

I understand the otherwise heroic MMJ-supporting former SF DA Terrence Hallinan has been retained as B.M.'s personal attorney. Oy! Talk about political and legal cover.

During the recent business permit hearings for MMJ dispensaries by the SF Supervisors, a great many people appeared to speak against B.M. receiving a permit, and many more wrote and called-in making the compelling case that B.M. is a clear and present danger to the patient community. We were ignored. B.M.received permits for both his locations nonetheless.

Back in the early early days when I was naively friendly with the guy, he revealed to me that he has a pathological fear of prison stemming from hard experience, and that his motivation for amassing wealth was to pay lawyers to keep him from ever having to go there again. (Such fear makes easy targets for the DEA.) He now has a hard protective financial legal and political shell around him that might be hard to crack.

Moreover B.M.'s war chest is by now quite sufficient to endure a boycott of whatever length. (He has at least one other profitable business brokering baseball tickets online, by his own account). And his DEA masters have good reason to see that their mole in the MMJ community remains in place.

Best thing is to spread the word about him, get a boycott going, maybe some press coverage, I agree, but if we were to follow that path, then where does that stop???. Nudging that rock might start an avalanche. I know that I have other axes to grind in the MMJ community, but such internal dissension serves to undermine the legitimacy of our political position in the public eye. The public cannot be expected to make allowance for the fact that there are plenty of distasteful characters in the MMJ community as in any other human community.

I have long kept common cause with the MMJ community, even with people like B.M. around, on the strength of that distasteful logic.

Even so, we gotta do something. His security cameras take pictures of patients in his clubs and the DEA presumably has free access to those pix. This is a clear and present danger to the patient community.

[Lazlo_Toth]

I'm not sure what that means........

dosent sound good..

But if you think the DEA dosent run a co op or two your kidding yourself.....

steal meds from a real co op, open a sham co op, get info on, vendors, patients, growers......
They do it with chop shops, pawn shops etc.......

I stopped going to new co ops 6 months ago because of this...

[silvercloud]

Originally Posted by HappaGuy

The pickets might have to be more than occasional. Mr. Martin's (hereafter referred to more scatologically as "B.M.") money carries a lot of weight in this town.

I understand the otherwise heroic MMJ-supporting former SF DA Terrence Hallinan has been retained as B.M.'s personal attorney. Oy! Talk about political and legal cover.

During the recent business permit hearings for MMJ dispensaries by the SF Supervisors, a great many people appeared to speak against B.M. receiving a permit, and many more wrote and called-in making the compelling case that B.M. is a clear and present danger to the patient community. We were ignored. B.M.received permits for both his locations nonetheless.

Back in the early early days when I was naively friendly with the guy, he revealed to me that he has a pathological fear of prison stemming from hard experience, and that his motivation for amassing wealth was to pay lawyers to keep him from ever having to go there again. (Such fear makes easy targets for the DEA.) He now has a hard protective financial legal and political shell around him that might be hard to crack.

Moreover B.M.'s war chest is by now quite sufficient to endure a boycott of whatever length. (He has at least one other profitable business brokering baseball tickets online, by his own account). And his DEA masters have good reason to see that their mole in the MMJ community remains in place.

Best thing is to spread the word about him, get a boycott going, maybe some press coverage, I agree, but then where does that stop. I know that I have other axes to grind in the MMJ community, but such internal dissension serves to undermine the legitimacy of our political position in the public eye. The public cannot be expected to make allowance for the fact that there are plenty of distasteful characters in the MMJ community as in any other human community.

I have long kept common cause with the MMJ community, even with people like B.M. around, on the strength of that distasteful logic.

Even so, we gotta do something. His security cameras take pictures of patients in his clubs and the DEA presumably has free access to those pix. This is a clear and present danger to the patient community.

BM better make sure he remains out of prison system ... from my experience ,'rats' were doused w/ gasoline / torched / while sleeping ... 'rats' are dispised in the 'joint' .....

[hempRules]

The best thing to do is make all of his vendors aware of this. Then tail him and see who he is forced to hook up with to get meds. If you get picked up for doing it then you know who he is. If you get photos then you have some tangible evidence that jo shmo on the streets will believe. You need something that will take this guy down not just at the patient level, but at the level gaze of the public eye. Does he sleep with prostitutes? Does he use other drugs beside mmj? How many drinks does he have before getting on the road? Trust me it does not take long for a fuck up to fuck up! Also, use his parinoia against him. Make him very afraid!

[FREEkaya]

is it possible to see some pics of this co-op (outside and pic of the owner..message bards like this one will spread quickly of him and any others that he might be associated with.

picketing is a great way of getting the word out to those who dont have interent access and doesnt require a full on picket but at least 2 ppl with printed info and printed proof.

[awdaddict172]

is it against the rules to post the names of the club on this forum? i live in socal, but i would figure the easiest way to inform patients and vendors is to just post the names of the club.

[FREEkaya]

yes it is but if you contact the owner of the site might be able to work something out but we need PROOF first and not hear say...

[HappaGuy]

Originally Posted by FREEkaya

yes it is but if you contact the owner of the site might be able to work something out but we need PROOF first and not hear say...

I'm gratified by your interest. ("contact the owner of the site" -? Don't understand.)

Proof. Hm.

(a) Proof that B.M. testified against Rosenthal on behalf of the DEA? Even discounting my personal testimony and the presumed testimony of the many other SF activists who attended the trials with me, it should be easy enough to come up with the Rosenthal trial transcripts and verify that point.

(b) Proof that B.M. is currently a DEA asset? Only the DEA knows that and I ain't askin'. But clear inferences can be drawn, in particular on the basis of the article linked below by an ex-DEA on the methodology of the rat business, and such inferences do amount to a presumption that patients had better learn more about this situation.

"How the DEA Works" thread at http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/sh...dea-27296.html

Please also refer to threads by our venerable Weedtracker admindiddlyindin:

"san francisco gives mcd permit to federal agent"
http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/sh...ghlight=martin

"public access 29 sf mmj tv show"
http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/sh...ghlight=martin

Still, I agree that more evidence is required as a basis for action. We humans are all too fallible, especially as we are all too prone to falling prey to the group-think of mobs when fed with almost any kind of rumors. We want to be vigilant against that pitfall.

I'm no gumshoe. I'm not about to launch surveillance ops any more than I'm about to start an MMJ farm. I've got an illness to contend with, two part-time jobs, and this pesky commitment to seeing that MMJ patients experience the benefits intended by the 1996 Compassionate Use Act.

If appearances do not deceive, vendors are also at risk, and their associates. Other clubs are endangered.

If I had a digital camera I'd be happy to upload a few photos of his storefronts. One of them is notable in any case as the location where Proposition 215 was written by Peron et al in the early 90s, and personally beloved as the former location of C.H.A.M.P.

The names of the clubs concerned were so deliberately obscure as to be of little consequence. In SF clubs are commonly referred to by their locations. The two locations concerned are (1) On 10th St. at Mission and (2) on Church St. at Market (across from the Safeway).

The WT listings for these two clubs disappeared a couple months ago, but the clubs still operate, to the best of my knowledge. I steer clear of them these days. Some of the people who work there were once my friends.

But I am aware that short of proof I dwell perilously close to libel in agreeing with others that he is a probable DEA asset. However my concern for the well-being of the patients he may be compromising to the DEA overrides.

I should note that it is said that B.M. has a substantial financial interest in at least a third SF club. It appears he also employs at least one of the most visible MMJ lobbyists in SF, who is credited with creating the original (@$#@$%% $25 %$#@$# "voluntary" @$#%%&@*!!) MMJ card system back around 1999. And of course it appears he employs the venerable Terence Hallinan, former SF DA and MMJ supporter. Strange bedfellows indeed.

Any viable suggestions anyone? What is enough proof, and what can we actually do by way of falsifying/verifying this information within the bounds of law/ethics/resources?

[FREEkaya]

was refering to posting someones/co-ops name on this site

[squatter420]

I don't think there is any real doubt about who BM is nor what he has done. I don't feel any need to play coy about this at all. The key thing is to not make threats of an illegal nature. Trying politically to deal with the situation is however lawful and worth the discussion.

Enough people including myself know Terrance that I think we should be able to persuade him of the harmfulness of his current association with BM.

[HappaGuy]

Originally Posted by squatter420

I don't think there is any real doubt about who Bob Martin is nor what he has done. I don't feel any need to play coy about this at all. The key thing is to not make threats of an illegal nature. Trying politically to deal with the situation is however lawful and worth the discussion.

Enough people including myself know Terrance that I think we should be able to persuade him of the harmfulness of his current association with BM.

Yes definitely, no threats, nor intentions, of violence, but only of due recourse, legal and ethical (and practicable). We would do the MMJ cause a great disservice by resorting to any shade of violence. If we abandon the high road where is found our truth -MMJ is good medicine- we are lost. Our right means is what Ghandi called 'truth and firmness', IMHO.

My impression is that good Terrance is not immune to financial necessity. I suspect that the SF DA position doesn't offer much of a pension. Certainly the issue should be raised with him. (Hopefully, I'm just wrong and maybe he can be drawn back into MMJ service. I like Terrance Hallinan.)

I want to encourage some discretion in this discussion. I know myself to be all too fallible (I am an insomniac epileptic...I've even been excused from jury duty!!), and second and third hand information can get hopelessly distorted. (Ever play telephone game?) I put my personal experience and collection of intel on B.M. et al out not as definitive but as needing verification/falsification and if verified, requiring action.

If there is a club operator anywhere cooperating with the DEA, I consider that a clear and present danger to MMJ patients as a class.

If I have my head up my all-too-familiar arse, I'd like to be corrected before I do any more damage.

[SmallAxe]

Is the club he is running the brick one across from where sfhydro used to be????? Whats his other club(s)?

[squatter420]

As a subpoenaed, uncooperative witness that refused to testify in that very same case I know what it took to not become a government tool first hand and you are correct in every detail on this thus far. Bob Martin choose to personally take the low road. He should be held accountable in every way possible for that choice.

He should be looking over his shoulder suspiciously at his government handlers because the government has a habit of eating it's own frequently. When their use for him is up, he will be next. That will probably be when the appeals are done.

[baygrapes650]

can someone pm me and tell me which clubs are his becuase i will not support a snitch

[HappaGuy]

Originally Posted by baygrapes650

can someone pm me and tell me which clubs are his becuase i will not support a snitch

From one of my previous, overlong posts:

The names of the clubs concerned were so deliberately obscure as to be of little consequence. In SF clubs are commonly referred to by their locations. The two locations concerned are (1) On 10th St. at Mission and (2) on Church St. at Market (across from the Safeway).

[stealthviper]

This is nothing less than apalling. It is, however an indicator that the Dreadful Evil A$#holes do not have the resources to go to war with the state of California, and so resort to such repugnant and morally bankrupt tactics. Out this weasel to the world. I am glad to know where not to go when I visit the City.

sv

[crescentfresh]

Originally Posted by squatter420

I don't think there is any real doubt about who Bob Martin is nor what he has done. I don't feel any need to play coy about this at all. The key thing is to not make threats of an illegal nature. Trying politically to deal with the situation is however lawful and worth the discussion.

Originally Posted by stealthviper

This is nothing less than apalling. It is, however an indicator that the Dreadful Evil A$#holes do not have the resources to go to war with the state of California, and so resort to such repugnant and morally bankrupt tactics. Out this weasel to the world. I am glad to know where not to go when I visit the City.

Two words: psychological warfare. When you're dealing with someone who has balls big enough to willingly play the role that BM is playing, it's pretty clear that simply voicing disapproval and disdain is not really going to sway them. They have to be wounded somehow in order to learn their lesson. There are two ways to accomplish this -- threats or actions involving physical violence and vandalism, or non-violent messages and gestures that create an environment too depressing to bear. The former is absolutely not a solution. The latter is perfectly doable within society's standards (laws, morals, etc.). This would include boycotts and protests outside his coops, but there has to be more we can do. I'm still mulling this over, but I thought I'd put in my two cents and get other people's gears turning.

[HappaGuy]

FYI I found that one of BMs clubs has re-listed on WT:

http://www.weedtracker.com/forums/sh...7.html?t=50027

This is the club at 122 Tenth St. at Mission.

SF Medical Cannabis Clinic #1 (SFMCC1)
122 Tenth St., San Francisco, Ca.
Phone: (415) 626-4781

[Hav805]

man this is scary and a major threat

[sicmarc]

I would suggest posting his photo not only online but also on telephone poles in downtown SF,at a few local biker bars.He will get whats he's got coming

[HappaGuy]

A moderate path: I suggest we write to State Attorney General Jerry Brown about the threat posed to MMJ patients by BMs apparent cooperation with the DEA. Get a letter campaign going or some such.

Is a "class action lawsuit" applicable? I am no lawyer. Any lawyers out there?

I discourage "taking matters into one's own hands". Let us calmly document the threat and seek legal recourse through our public officials.

Tag you're it!

[savage]

i think a nice little bump would be nice.

sleep with the fishes...

[Mindfury]

deffinatley vile to do that to those who helped him get where is.It's his buisness, so i'm assuming it's legal, my question would beby him giving tapes to the DEA wouldn't that violate privacy rights? and anyways, the DEA would just set up cameras on the telephone poles outside the doors, possibly getting your vehicle too. Like in the 80's and presently during operation greenthumb.Look at the network of cameras in England.Thats just a model for things to come to every major city,(find out the company that goingg to provide the cameras,buy some stock, sell it, then by a camera detector/jammer/scrambler and still have soem cash for meds), going OT sorry.I'm sure you are aware the DEA is in canada and trying to expidite marc emerey.They're new patch says "International Operations"
Some1 Should send BM a "letter" and to his landlord.If' het gets evicted he can't open another one due to moratorium right? Happa is SO correct, im thinking entrapment is definatley happening here.know any lawyers with big cajones?


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