[GrowNbloW]

What’s crackin W.T? It's amazing how in a world so diverse, the majority of the population still has at least one thing in common. Though it varies, most seem to believe in some sort of higher power, rather it be living or non-living, human or non-human. I don't have a single problem with religion, however it's a breeding ground for the scariest people alive. "FANATICS," people so obsessed with a belief or way of living that their life revolves solely around it. It's seems as if these fanatics are so unsure of their beliefs that they have to try and convince everyone else to see things there way. Here in lies the problem with organized religion. In my opinion, religion should is up soley to the individual, people should believe anything they want yet keep it to themselves. If it makes you happy go ahead, worship rocks, and singe your chest hairs out of ritual, BUT KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Live, love, and believe what ever keeps you going in this crazy world. When all else fails, blaze, maintain, and send your smoke signals to the Canni-Gods!

One Love W.T - Z

[patientx]

Originally Posted by GrowNbloW

What’s crackin W.T? It's amazing how in a world so diverse, the majority of the population still has at least one thing in common. Though it varies, most seem to believe in some sort of higher power, rather it be living or non-living, human or non-human. I don't have a single problem with religion, however it's a breeding ground for the scariest people alive. "FANATICS," people so obsessed with a belief or way of living that their life revolves solely around it. It's seems as if these fanatics are so unsure of their beliefs that they have to try and convince everyone else to see things there way. Here in lies the problem with organized religion. In my opinion, religion should is up soley to the individual, people should believe anything they want yet keep it to themselves. If it makes you happy go ahead, worship rocks, and singe your chest hairs out of ritual, BUT KEEP IT TO YOURSELF! Live, love, and believe what ever keeps you going in this crazy world. When all else fails, blaze, maintain, and send your smoke signals to the Canni-Gods!

One Love W.T - Z

Would you believe me if I told you that I know fundamentalist christians who are pro medical cannabis, in fact I know a lady who suffers in severe chronic pain who lives in a state with no medical cannabis exception that has her "heathen" son supply her with her much needed pain relief. It's true! Her doctors had her on neurontin (which fucked her up beyond belief) and all kinds of NSAIDS (that destroyed her digestive system like they have destroyed mine) and finally her "heathen" son said, mom, here, try this joint. She was hurting so bad she told me she asked the Lord to forgive her and smoked that joint. lol. Now she is as fundamentalist holy rolling as they come, we've debated a lot on some of the other message boards I hang out on (I'm an atheist), but she no longer believes that the medical use of cannabis is a sin. And she tells me that in her fundamentalist church, that there are many other people there who have given her their quiet support.

As far as our movement is concerned, I think we need to be willing to embrace the evangelical fundamental christians that support us. They are out there, and there are quite a few of them.

[patientx]

Originally Posted by Capt. Zigzag

Like me.

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wow i didnt know you are a fundy! cool!

what does your church think about this? does anyone at church know? your pastor? do you ever visit the christiansforcannabis site?

[Mary Jane's]

I have been a devout Christian my entire life... The bible doesn't have one word that talks about MJ in a negative way.

I actually quoted the Bible in my speech at the Board of Supervisors meeting on the induction of the ordinance that allowed Med MJ dispensaries in May of this year.
(before that all dispensaries were actually operating illegally)

Genesis 1:29 "And God said behold, I have given you every seed bearing HERB to use as thy medicine, and every fruit bearing tree to use as thy meat."

There have been many changes made to the bible. There are actually thousands of versions. This is from the King James Version which is said to be the most accurate in existance today.

No matter what you believe in. All signs point to MJ being used only for good. Anyone who thinks differently has been mislead (indirectly) by the many organizations that profit greatly by cannabis being illegal. Organizations like the Logging industry, The Pharmaceutical corporation, The US gov't. etc.

It makes me happy to see we finally have organizations like ASA and NORML that are trying to educate ppl about the benefits of cannabis. We are in the middle of a revolution. A revolution which we are winning.

[MMM420SoCal]

Originally Posted by Mary Jane's

Genesis 1:29 "And God said behold, I have given you every seed bearing HERB to use as thy medicine, and every fruit bearing tree to use as thy meat."

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Also Revelations 22:2 "And from the center of the street comes the tree of life, its leaves are for the healing of the nations"... I quoted that outta memory, I know its slightly different...

There's at least 10 clear references to Cannabis in the scriptures...

Qanehbossem you know :D


M3

[Lotusawakening]

I htink it gets so often overlooked that even according to the most Orthodox christian priest God gave us FREE WILL... to make choices that affect our own life...who does our government (and others) think they are trying to take that away from us...the laws should be in place that help keep society organized and thriving ...not ones that try to restrict and manipulate our personal/moral choices

[GrowNbloW]

Just to clerify, it wasen't my intention to say that religion is anti-cannabis, rather that in religion there tends to be certain groups who twist around the words of the bible and atempt to make new rules to live by, much like the anti-abortion movement, etc. IMO, religion should be treated somewhat like democracy, and be included with a "Necessary and proper" clause like the constitution. Which basicly allows a loop hole for "rules" to be amended to make them more logical in a modern society.The fact is that times change, if they diddn't segragation and discrimination would be as plentiful today as it was in the past. Yet, through the course of human history, conflicts arised in which are ancestors had to change their views of life to adapt to the world around them. Religion however hasen't been as understanding of the advancements in the world. Much how ethnic groups were discriminated against during the civil rights movement, certain religious groups are now doing the same to other minorites. The fact that there is even debate as to whom can marry whom shows that old world religious laws could really use a makeover. Which is made even more difficult by conservitive bilble supporters that beleive every written word in the scripture is Infallible .This however is just my opinion, and want to apologize ahead of time to anyone who may be offended.

[Solidly-here]

GrowNbloW says: " 'FANATICS,' people so obsessed with a belief or way of living that their life revolves solely around it... they have to try and convince everyone else to see things there way. Herein lies the problem with organized religion."

This is especially irritating for political Fanatics.

It is also aggravating for sports Fanatics.

Truly, if the worst thing about organized Religion is that 2% of them are constantly trying to "convert" others to their Denomination (Baptist, Methodist, ...), then that's pretty good.

Fortunately, the other 98% of them keep their thoughts and beliefs to themselves.

[SoulRebel]

Religon is a trick sent by satan to divide and destroy manking. Like Ziggy Marley now says ... "Love is my Religion" God Bless, and One Love...


... S R...

From Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

"Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."


I have always agreed that religion is the opium of the people, or also I think of it as a crutch, which people grow up with and become dependent upon.

(and no, I am not a pinko commie)

[LivingUnderLies]

Originally Posted by SoulRebel

Religon is a trick sent by satan to divide and destroy manking. Like Ziggy Marley now says ... "Love is my Religion" God Bless, and One Love...


... S R...

Ziggy's religion is my religion now. I left the chruch after 18 years, after the bible was warped into something negitive(personal belief). It felt like i could not live or think the way I felt was right.

Originally Posted by Pozoutlooker

From Karl Marx, Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right

"Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions."


I have always agreed that religion is the opium of the people, or also I think of it as a crutch, which people grow up with and become dependent upon.

(and no, I am not a pinko commie)

Some call this the God part of the brain. They say that humans are so fearful of death that they have created a seperate reality that most believe, but has yet to be proven to exist, or at least to some people.

religion is in the eye of the beholder

Richard Dawkins- the God Delusion

[gr8shoryuken]

There are about 7 billion religions on the planet. Heck, science is a religion.

[Lou Weed]

I like when people share their faith with me, provided they are not attempting to get a convert out of it. This must be agreed upon a priori or the conversation doesn't happen.

- I lived with a brilliant woman devoted to Nichiren Buddhism. She had a lousy childhood in the Catholic church and turned to something she felt to be more pragmatic. She introduced me to chanting before the gohonzon as well as the basic tenets of her faith. I will never forget this or "Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo".

- Jerusalem, Israel truly is a hot-spot. Despite not being terribly religious, I get tears in my eyes anytime I drive in from Tel-Aviv because the road truly ascends. It's a charged city, not just because of the war, but because so many faiths converge here. The Old City hammers this home as you slide past throngs of people in the narrow corridors that have the ambiance of an ancient maze that's seen more than you wish to imagine. No words need to be said. There's a reason why people are called 'stones' - in Israel, silence says more than words sometimes, especially in the presence of such history and strife upon everybody there at some point, some of it ongoing.

If you've never been to a Coptic church, they can be fun to visit! Especially if you've ever wished to hear a "dead language" of sorts.

Other than that, I don't think taking anything so seriously that you can't joke about it lightly is very healthy for the heart, spirit or mind. (Example: the "Texans and Hotsauced Popcorn thread" is full of gallows humor.)

Love is my religion.