[randomee]

"Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty"
YouTube - Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

Source: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...hagen-2009.pdf goodluck I've read about 20 pages, and im done for the night.

let me tell you something, hussein is no joke, he is a FULL MELT fake 101% I can't even begin to tell you nor describe in this thread how bad hussein is for us and the people of the united states. but let me go on to say quickly that an Hussein chairs The United Nations Security Councel, trust me that is a very very bad sign. on top of the pages and pages of bad signs already sense hussein took office as our hypothetical leader.

I am totally becoming a fan of reading, all these dam years I hated reading. everyone kept saying read books, read this book, read that book, most all bored me. NO ONE EVER SAID why don't you try reading the law or what your own governement writes on, publishes, or debates. Right now I am flooded with papers I have to read, some for MMJ too. I have finished prop 215, and comp use act. Now I am onto SB420 bill, then the California Department of Justice release from our Attorney General (and comparing it to what our previous attorney general said re: marijuana), then some federalized facts n figures from the Office of National Drug Control Policy in California. And from what I hear that is just the tip of the iceburg, as is with most anything I research or do. Im a scorpio and must find the meaning barried deep within or I dont sleep well at night. READ READ READ READ! Im pretty boring these days but getting smarter by the minute.



edited: I found this all on my own today, then I was reading another forum and realized someone had posted this already. SO REPOST WARNING

[shecky7]

Uh oh! He's a reader!


Hey this deserves it's own thread anyway. Where is that video link anyhoo......

[joe32blow]

It's all about making the rich get richer and eroding our personal liberties,
because they get in the way: The Council on Foreign Relations, Wall Street,
Corporate power, globalization, etc. It's all still in play. Obama just
makes it sound nicer to the unwashed masses than did his predecessor. Nonetheless, the agenda is the same.

[kennabis]

we've never left britains teat! the only way to be free, is too "feel" it!

obamas the "usher"!

[clinton]

Originally Posted by randomee

"Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty"
YouTube - Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

Source: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...hagen-2009.pdf goodluck I've read about 20 pages, and im done for the night.

let me tell you something, hussein is no joke, he is a FULL MELT fake 101% I can't even begin to tell you nor describe in this thread how bad hussein is for us and the people of the united states. but let me go on to say quickly that an Hussein chairs The United Nations Security Councel, trust me that is a very very bad sign. on top of the pages and pages of bad signs already sense hussein took office as our hypothetical leader.

I am totally becoming a fan of reading, all these dam years I hated reading. everyone kept saying read books, read this book, read that book, most all bored me. NO ONE EVER SAID why don't you try reading the law or what your own governement writes on, publishes, or debates. Right now I am flooded with papers I have to read, some for MMJ too. I have finished prop 215, and comp use act. Now I am onto SB420 bill, then the California Department of Justice release from our Attorney General (and comparing it to what our previous attorney general said re: marijuana), then some federalized facts n figures from the Office of National Drug Control Policy in California. And from what I hear that is just the tip of the iceburg, as is with most anything I research or do. Im a scorpio and must find the meaning barried deep within or I dont sleep well at night. READ READ READ READ! Im pretty boring these days but getting smarter by the minute.



edited: I found this all on my own today, then I was reading another forum and realized someone had posted this already. SO REPOST WARNING

Where is the text of this treaty? Videos without reference mean little.

clinton

[BrattonBasher]

Will you conspiracy nuts make up your mind? Which one is it? Is Obama trying to grab all powers and turn us Commie, or is he trying to cede power like this nutjob suggests? Please at least provide us with a program or scorecard so we can keep track. I promise to use pencil.

[randomee]

Originally Posted by clinton

Where is the text of this treaty? Videos without reference mean little.
clinton

its in the text of the very first post, it is clearly labeled "SOURCE", it has all the text you want. Maybe you missed it.

[randomee]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

Will you conspiracy nuts make up your mind? Which one is it? Is Obama trying to grab all powers and turn us Commie, or is he trying to cede power like this nut job suggests? Please at least provide us with a program or scorecard so we can keep track. I promise to use pencil.

nut job is two words not one first of all, if your going to TRY and insult me do better, and at least have a viable source. there is plenty of things you can insult me with, but calling me a nut job when I posted a treaty to be signed is ridiculous.

Please don't throw conspiracy nut job around like you actually understand its meanings of the words, you obviously do not. "I can't make up my mind" about what exactly again? What I don't understand is where you get off on saying such negative comments like these with seemingly ease, that came from OUT OF NO WHERE, and you just rolled them off your keyboard like it was nothing. Your comments don't make sense as a reply to my first post. I wish negative rep was more popular, because I posted NOTHING of a conspiracy theory, check my source please not the video which summarized the source before you insult. A misguided uneducated insulting comment while contributing zero to this thread as your response, for that I thank you points baller.

Its weird you would try insulting someone (for posting a 181 page treaty which is to be debated and signed by other nations and our hypothetical president) especially when your intent is illegit and negative in its implementation with the goal of slander imho. And then you actually turn around and ask that same person for more information about a subject which isn't even mentioned in the thread at all in the first place (=conspiracy theory).

This might be my first and last starting starting thread about anything political or any new thread about our fake, hypothetical, hussein of a leader does. I'm being called a conspiracy nut job who can't make up his mind for linking and posting trying to discuss about a current proposed treaty (181 pages read it for yourself) which is to be debated and signed soon, in December of this year, by our hypothetical president followed by other leaders of different nations. FTL! (For the loss) I was hoping for better, this seems like the kind of response I would get from my 70 year old members of my Buick Club.

great way to start my day lol

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by randomee

nut job is two words not one first of all, if your going to TRY and insult me do better, and at least have a viable source. there is plenty of things you can insult me with, but calling me a nut job when I posted a treaty to be signed is ridiculous.

Please don't throw conspiracy nut job around like you actually understand its meanings of the words, you obviously do not. "I can't make up my mind" about what exactly again? What I don't understand is where you get off on saying such negative comments like these with seemingly ease, that came from OUT OF NO WHERE, and you just rolled them off your keyboard like it was nothing. Your comments don't make sense as a reply to my first post. I wish negative rep was more popular, because I posted NOTHING of a conspiracy theory, check my source please not the video which summarized the source before you insult. A misguided uneducated insulting comment while contributing zero to this thread as your response, for that I thank you points baller.

Its weird you would try insulting someone (for posting a 181 page treaty which is to be debated and signed by other nations and our hypothetical president) especially when your intent is illegit and negative in its implementation with the goal of slander imho. And then you actually turn around and ask that same person for more information about a subject which isn't even mentioned in the thread at all in the first place (=conspiracy theory).

This might be my first and last starting starting thread about anything political or any new thread about our fake, hypothetical, hussein of a leader does. I'm being called a conspiracy nut job who can't make up his mind for linking and posting trying to discuss about a current proposed treaty (181 pages read it for yourself) which is to be debated and signed soon, in December of this year, by our hypothetical president followed by other leaders of different nations. FTL! (For the loss) I was hoping for better, this seems like the kind of response I would get from my 70 year old members of my Buick Club.

great way to start my day lol

LOL Well, which one is it? Is he ceding our sovereignty or building the most powerfull and evil government? We don't need more right wing crocodile tears about being the victim, we just need clarity of the conspiracy theories. Or just follow my suggestion and publish a scorecard so we don't miss a batter.

[contract.dude]

i wonder how many other people have given up on giving input to these threads.....

[VooDoo Chile]

Originally Posted by joe32blow

It's all about making the rich get richer and eroding our personal liberties,
because they get in the way: The Council on Foreign Relations, Wall Street,
Corporate power, globalization, etc. It's all still in play. Obama just
makes it sound nicer to the unwashed masses than did his predecessor. Nonetheless, the agenda is the same.

The "unwashed masses?"

Just who exactly do ya think ya are sir?

[clinton]

Originally Posted by randomee

its in the text of the very first post, it is clearly labeled "SOURCE", it has all the text you want. Maybe you missed it.

Thanks for the source. I wonder why it is not on the UN website? The source you reference is a blog. Where is there any credibility in a blog? Anyone can whip up official looking documents. Do you have a link to this at the uN website?

clinton

[SmilerG]

My15-year-old Calico cat will cede US Sovereignty, before President Obama does.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by SmilerG

My15-year-old Calico cat will cede US Sovereignty, before President Obama does.

My two 15 POUND cats would wimp out if they met your Patriotic Calico!

[Au_Hunter]

Originally Posted by contract.dude

i wonder how many other people have given up on giving input to these threads.....

Many more than you shall ever know CD...

[Mother Chucker]

What good is reading if you clearly don't understand the words.

I have also noticed that the people refering to our President by just his middle name seem to have some sort of racial bias and axe to grind which completely devalues any point they may be trying to make.

None of them complained like this when President Bush acted to literally change the Constitution with the Patriot Act.
I wonder why?

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by contract.dude

i wonder how many other people have given up on giving input to these threads.....

The ones that have source info to back up claims will post on, and those who post off of blogs with no backup will end up getting called out. Just like any internet forum, post if your ready to prove your claims, and don't if you are not ready.

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

The ones that have source info to back up claims will post on, and those who post off of blogs with no backup will end up getting called out. Just like any internet forum, post if your ready to prove your claims, and don't if you are not ready.

The corporate United States has NO SOVEREIGNTY to cede all Sovereignty not delegated expressly by the constitution rests in the states or the PEOPLE! Where does it say exactly that the President has the right to give our rights away? I forgot to read that.
Also, BB. You seriously need to learn to use the basic features of google.
Didn't randomee post this in the very first link?

UN TREATY ON CLIMATE CHANGE

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by shecky7

The corporate United States has NO SOVEREIGNTY to cede all Sovereignty not delegated expressly by the constitution rests in the states or the PEOPLE! Where does it say exactly that the President has the right to give our rights away? I forgot to read that.
Also, BB. You seriously need to learn to use the basic features of google.
Didn't randomee post this in the very first link?

UN TREATY ON CLIMATE CHANGE

I only asked for clarification if Obama is trying to cede sovereignty or hog it. Is he using sinister tactics to wrest control over everything, or is he an incompetant boob who should be doing community activism. Please folks, it's either one or the other, not both.

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

I only asked for clarification if Obama is trying to cede sovereignty or hog it. Is he using sinister tactics to wrest control over everything, or is he an incompetant boob who should be doing community activism. Please folks, it's either one or the other, not both.

Can't Hog mine... he he. Give him yours if ya want.
I think he is a politician. In control of some things and way down the pipe on
others. heck if we only knew.Did you ever watch the episode margaritaville of southpark? I thought it was funny!

[randomee]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

LOL Well, which one is it? Is he ceding our sovereignty or building the most powerfull and evil government? We don't need more right wing crocodile tears about being the victim, we just need clarity of the conspiracy theories. Or just follow my suggestion and publish a scorecard so we don't miss a batter.

I did NOT claim it to be my video or even my specific stance on the subject, therefore its not my mind that needs to be made up, I hope you understand that instead of assuming otherwise. I will be sure to write a long detailed disclaimer so I can make things clear in the future, thank you for reminding me I should have done so in the first place. I am just posting this for others to read and comment on, and if you have questions take it to the source that posted the original video, and not the person showing you the video.

Calling me a "crocodile", really? Then assuming about my entire political position by saying I am a "right winger" is weak to me, you don't even know me. Poor form to use a proven weak divide and conquer strategy of (created on purpose with the intent to divide and discourage) the left right para-dime game as a basis for your strategy to disagree with me. Though I can understand how your conformity in playing the para-dime game helps you to feel comfortable and at ease in your beliefs about others, its far from any truth I choose to live freely by. Not even addressing the "tears about being the victim" (that was just scary). Aside from your school yard tactics here ; I do want you to know there is no left or right, its all in your head & encouraged by other sources then the truth. Find me 1 person who will vote 100% of the time with their affiliated party and maybe I will change my mind, but I have yet to find this person. If you want clarity read SOME of the 181 page pdf document written by the UN and draw your own conclusions at least? I know you want me to make you a "score card" so you can follow along, but that isn't how this works rofl. Btw this is how you spell Government, and Powerful lol.

As far as ceding while also building "evil governments", you can DEFINITELY cede and build an evil at the same time. For example, the United States is paying off it's national DEBT to and I quote from Ron Paul's website, "the Communist Government of China would be permitted to physically take (inside the USA) land, buildings, factories, perhaps even entire cities - to satisfy the financial obligations of the US government." That would be an example and argument proving that the United State is ceding its power and/or resources through a treaty to another country, in this case the "Commie" country as you called it or the one that made me laugh more, the "most powerfull and evil governemnt". (Source Feds Grant Eminent Domain As Collateral To China For U.S. Debts! | Ron Paul Wins! | Campaign for Liberty at the Daily Paul) In fact we have been doing it for decades to help pay off our debt to other countries, especially some "most powerfull and evil governemnt" as you call them. You've proved to me that you didn't earn your rep points because of your contributions in politics section.

Contract.dude; You nailed it! I bet there are some extremely intelligent people here who re-frame from posting, I clearly understand why.

Clinton Here ya go directly from the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change website, http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/2009.../eng/inf02.pdf. In the future, you can search this UN website and filter the search by entering the title of the article your looking for. Then you can verify its the correct article by its date + number of pages, (15th of September/181 pages) that is how I found it. Here is the summery page which includes all additions and revisions to the original 181 page document. I wish I didn't have school or work to deal with I would love to get a.d.d. on this and stay up to date 24/7 but I have borrowed money from a privately owned international bank to earn to pay my bills.Simple Search Documents

peace

[peacefulIRIEfeelin]

Originally Posted by contract.dude

i wonder how many other people have given up on giving input to these threads.....

hahaha seriously, they are just so old and pathetic.

[peacefulIRIEfeelin]

Originally Posted by randomee

"Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty"
YouTube - Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty

Source: http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpre...hagen-2009.pdf goodluck I've read about 20 pages, and im done for the night.

let me tell you something, hussein is no joke, he is a FULL MELT fake 101% I can't even begin to tell you nor describe in this thread how bad hussein is for us and the people of the united states. but let me go on to say quickly that an Hussein chairs The United Nations Security Councel, trust me that is a very very bad sign. on top of the pages and pages of bad signs already sense hussein took office as our hypothetical leader.

I am totally becoming a fan of reading, all these dam years I hated reading. everyone kept saying read books, read this book, read that book, most all bored me. NO ONE EVER SAID why don't you try reading the law or what your own governement writes on, publishes, or debates. Right now I am flooded with papers I have to read, some for MMJ too. I have finished prop 215, and comp use act. Now I am onto SB420 bill, then the California Department of Justice release from our Attorney General (and comparing it to what our previous attorney general said re: marijuana), then some federalized facts n figures from the Office of National Drug Control Policy in California. And from what I hear that is just the tip of the iceburg, as is with most anything I research or do. Im a scorpio and must find the meaning barried deep within or I dont sleep well at night. READ READ READ READ! Im pretty boring these days but getting smarter by the minute.



edited: I found this all on my own today, then I was reading another forum and realized someone had posted this already. SO REPOST WARNING

and why do you even care? doesnt it all end in 2012? LOL

[Fussrgc]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BrattonBasher
Will you conspiracy nuts make up your mind? Which one is it? Is Obama trying to grab all powers and turn us Commie, or is he trying to cede power like this nut job suggests? Please at least provide us with a program or scorecard so we can keep track. I promise to use pencil.

Originally Posted by randomee

nut job is two words not one first of all, if your going to TRY and insult me do better, and at least have a viable source. there is plenty of things you can insult me with, but calling me a nut job when I posted a treaty to be signed is ridiculous.

Please don't throw conspiracy nut job around like you actually understand its meanings of the words, you obviously do not. "I can't make up my mind" about what exactly again? What I don't understand is where you get off on saying such negative comments like these with seemingly ease, that came from OUT OF NO WHERE, and you just rolled them off your keyboard like it was nothing. Your comments don't make sense as a reply to my first post. I wish negative rep was more popular, because I posted NOTHING of a conspiracy theory, check my source please not the video which summarized the source before you insult. A misguided uneducated insulting comment while contributing zero to this thread as your response, for that I thank you points baller.

Its weird you would try insulting someone (for posting a 181 page treaty which is to be debated and signed by other nations and our hypothetical president) especially when your intent is illegit and negative in its implementation with the goal of slander imho. And then you actually turn around and ask that same person for more information about a subject which isn't even mentioned in the thread at all in the first place (=conspiracy theory).

This might be my first and last starting starting thread about anything political or any new thread about our fake, hypothetical, hussein of a leader does. I'm being called a conspiracy nut job who can't make up his mind for linking and posting trying to discuss about a current proposed treaty (181 pages read it for yourself) which is to be debated and signed soon, in December of this year, by our hypothetical president followed by other leaders of different nations. FTL! (For the loss) I was hoping for better, this seems like the kind of response I would get from my 70 year old members of my Buick Club.

great way to start my day lol

A few quick observations:

First - You are correct the term "nut job" is comprised of two words as Bratton clearly stated.

Second - "Its weird you would try insulting someone (for posting a 181 page treaty which is to be debated and signed by other nations and our hypothetical president) especially when your intent is illegit and negative in its implementation with the goal of slander imho"

Slander by definition is the defamation or injury to another caused by an act of speech.

Libel by definition is the defamation or injury to another caused by print (e.g. written words, photographs, etc.)

Within the context you were referring to, you would have wanted to accuse Bratton of Libel and not Slander. I must however inform you that by legal precedent, Truth is always the best Defense Against Libel.

Third - You on multiple occasion, reference Barack Obama as Hussein his given middle name, in addition to other assessments "fake, hypothetical,”
I am curious when one is elected by an Electoral Vote Count of 365 to 173, a victory margin of 192, and not a partisan Supreme Court Ruling (Bush/Gore - 2000), or disputed voting results and evidence of voter fraud and suppression (Bush/Kerry - Ohio 2004), what constitutes a "fake, hypothetical, hussein of a leader"?

In your quest to become more erudite relating to matters of policy (both foreign and domestic), you will realize that President Obama is a corporate funded centrist, and beholden to many of the same interests as your beloved Republicans. You will in addition come to realize that regardless of who is occupying the Oval Office or possessing a majority in Congress that individuals no longer determine policy, industry does.

[randomee]

Originally Posted by peacefulIRIEfeelin

and why do you even care? doesnt it all end in 2012? LOL

Nope the calender creator just stopped writting man, no need to worry. Wouldn't you want to stop after you've created a calender thats good for over thousands of years? I mean why go on ya know, he probably figured they were good for awhile. I think you would stop eventually right?

Originally Posted by Fussrgc

First - You are correct the term "nut job" is comprised of two words as Bratton clearly stated.

Second - "Its weird you would try insulting someone (for posting a 181 page treaty which is to be debated and signed by other nations and our hypothetical president) especially when your intent is illegit and negative in its implementation with the goal of slander imho" Slander by definition is the defamation or injury to another caused by an act of speech.

Third - You on multiple occasion, reference Barack Obama as Hussein his given middle name, in addition to other assessments "fake, hypothetical,”
I am curious when one is elected by an Electoral Vote Count of 365 to 173, a victory margin of 192, and not a partisan Supreme Court Ruling (Bush/Gore - 2000), or disputed voting results and evidence of voter fraud and suppression (Bush/Kerry - Ohio 2004), what constitutes a "fake, hypothetical, hussein of a leader"?

In your quest to become more erudite relating to matters of policy (both foreign and domestic), you will realize that President Obama is a corporate funded centrist, and beholden to many of the same interests as your beloved Republicans. You will in addition come to realize that regardless of who is occupying the Oval Office or possessing a majority in Congress that individuals no longer determine policy, industry does.

me quoting 'nut job' and all his other lovely insults obviously was NOT to point out the number of words in them, that is just

i don't know what source you use for your dictionary because you didn't post it, as asked in the stickies when your posting trying to prove something. heres mine its Websters Dictionary, and Websters definition of slander is different then yours. (Source: slander - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary) dont forget click on noun!

"what constitute him being hypothetical?" COUNTLESS reasons; here is 1, because he has not fulfilled the constitutional requirements to become the president in the first place, under article II section 1 of the consitution hussein is not special and doesn't get a free pass in my book to dance around what every single president before him has proven. (Source: Article II Section 1 LII: Constitution) I dont care if he is from another country and became a naturalized citizen after being an alien or was born here in the first place, but prove it to the people regardless and follow all of those past presidents before you. What does he do instead? 1st day in office he signs off on an Executive Order 13489 that states that only the records he chooses to be made public will be released (Source: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf). Thats straight shaddy.

hussein is what I call him because that is eactly what he told me and the world his name was when Cheif Justice Roberts was swearing him into office and its not against the law yet to address him as such so until "don't wear it out" k? I'd upper case his name but I dont feel that name deserves an upper case haha. it taints me to say he is even our hypothetical president as it just reflects the failure of our average voters education level to me.

"my beloved republicans" I am not a republican, nor did I imply I was, nor did I state or claim to be one, and I certainly do not belove them. You too good lord not another person who wants to claim they know my political affiliation? Please everyone around here who (surprisingly who seem to disagree with me) wants to think they can claim what my political affiliations are without checking into it first is a FAIL. Taking that FAIL and going further by trying to use against me in their case of disagreeing with me.....= wtf? I guess its what I get for assumming people posting here would be more open minded then the old folks posting on my hot rod forum.

AT least Fus was respectfully disagreeing and I can see he was trying to be clean about it. Way more then I can say about Basher's fail.