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***weedtracker*** · 08-25-2008, 12:05 PM

im going to go out on a limb here and say that if obama looses the general election that its going to fall squarely on the shoulders of the clintons as the reason why he lost. i think that if obama looses you can pretty much kiss hillaries chance of being president goodbye and you can kiss bill clintons legacy as a party leader goodbye and you can kiss the democratic party goodbye. this will truely be the begining of a viable 3rd party if obama looses, his supports will not tollerate a party ruled by the people who caused him to loose. hes got enough money, influence and support to start a real viable 3rd party that could compete with the best of them in 2012.

Dieselworks · 08-25-2008, 12:30 PM

If the democrats can't pull this one off, they should just hang it up. Forget about it.

My concern is that as the election approaches Obama and McCain sound like carbon copies.

"meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

I liked Hillary when we said stuff like:"this administration is running the country like a plantation", she quickly backed away from that type of tough talk. So will obama.

Notice how Obama has backed away from his $1000 per person rebate funded by windfall profit tax on oil companies. Guess hes not good at dodging bullets.

**Weed Hopper** · 08-25-2008, 12:45 PM

"plantation". Go Hillary. This is true. I ate a lot better under Clinton. I had more freedoms under Clinton. Under Bush, I feel like a useless slave.

The international bankers who literally own the IRS and the Federal Reserve Board, hence entire this country, they decide who gets elected, who lives, who die.

Please do not tell me you are still watching TV? I thought that thing was abolished years ago when it was discovered that the TV was being used to de-program and program minds. How'd you get that thing? Careful. Sometimes the effects are not reversible.

Down on the hemp farm, we're just writing music, tilling the soil, ...billy is tinkering with his inventions. hemp cellulose can do some interesting stuff.

Anyways, good luck with your mind games on that TV. Next week, Obama @ 66% popularity high. Following week, Obama @ 49% lull. The week after that, Obama bumped into a waitress and smiles. Popularity neutral. The week after that...Obama down to 33%, calls waitress and wants another order of ribs and breasts, some rump roast will be in order as well. The week after that...

Man, I don't know how you guys can handle the TV like that. It's so....Orwellian.

Dieselworks · 08-25-2008, 12:49 PM

I preach personal responsibility. So, I think if obama looses i think its obama's fault.
Let see, he has about 4x's the money Mccain has. So if you can't beat a one arm senior citizen (no offense intended towards WT seniors, just Mccain) when you have four times the money. then you are a loser of such epic proportions, that it will dwarf King George's failures.

stanley · 08-25-2008, 01:08 PM

The only guaranteed loser in the next election is the American People.

regardless of the winner Mcbama or O'cain, its all the same.

Politics as usual.

Biden..... Obama, who claimed to be an agent of change... and he selects a career politician in the senate since 1973... Thats longer than most of you have been alive.....

Talk about more of the same.....

If McCain selects Lieberman we will just complete the farce....

And, like WeedTracker suggests, we will most likely drive the last nails in the coffin of the two party system.

shecky7 · 08-25-2008, 01:48 PM

I think it's O.J.'s fault. And Bruce Willis could have made a good movie, oh, say, this decade.

All in all; it's looking to be a knock-down-drag-out-media-whore-fest for SURE.

I will write in Ru Paul for President with Tom Cruise as the New Improved Dick Cheney.
That way we get all our bases covered demographically and politically and phonetically as well (just to go -ally crazy!

)
and be entertained at what is really top-notch talent.
I've never seen Joe Biden and Bob Odenkirk at a party together??
I at LEAST smell a Made-for-tv-mini-drama role for Bob as Biden, if not a good shot at a straight dramatic piece on the big-screen. Pass the gas mask.

**Leosyndicate** · 08-25-2008, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shecky7

I think it's O.J.'s fault. And Bruce Willis could have made a good movie, oh, say, this decade.

All in all; it's looking to be a knock-down-drag-out-media-whore-fest for SURE.

I will write in Ru Paul for President with Tom Cruise as the New Improved Dick Cheney.
That way we get all our bases covered demographically and politically and phonetically as well (just to go -ally crazy!

)
and be entertained at what is really top-notch talent.
I've never seen Joe Biden and Bob Odenkirk at a party together??
I at LEAST smell a Made-for-tv-mini-drama role for Bob as Biden, if not a good shot at a straight dramatic piece on the big-screen. Pass the gas mask.

After watching Cruise's latest performance as Les Grossman in "Tropic Thunder", this really made me laugh. thx..

When this campaign started, I saw B.O. as the great catalyst for change he claims to be. Confidence waivers, but I'm still holding out hope. I don't blame HRC if B.O. loses.. every candidate should fight the good fight. I've never had faith in the two-party farce we've lived under our entire lives, so no love lost there if it finally crumbles. Sounds to me like reason to celebrate.

What a battle it will be if it goes B.O./Biden vs. McCain/Lieberman.. what a trip.

sandyacres · 08-25-2008, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weedtracker

im going to go out on a limb here and say that if obama looses the general election that its going to fall squarely on the shoulders of the clintons as the reason why he lost. i think that if obama looses you can pretty much kiss hillaries chance of being president goodbye and you can kiss bill clintons legacy as a party leader goodbye and you can kiss the democratic party goodbye. this will truely be the begining of a viable 3rd party if obama looses, his supports will not tollerate a party ruled by the people who caused him to loose. hes got enough money, influence and support to start a real viable 3rd party that could compete with the best of them in 2012.

WT, you're right on from the perspective of an Obama supporter, but from my perspective, as a former Hillary supporter, I say he should have picked her and then he wouldn't be in the shape he's in.

Either way, though, I'm no fool.

Obama-Biden '08

***OakSmokeMJA*** · 08-25-2008, 03:29 PM

Whatever happened to an opposition party? It doesn't even exist here anymore. I have to agree with Stanley about the fact that both parties are practically the same when it comes to the issues.

Thats why I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney on the Green ticket. She represents all of the values that I hold dear and has done a wonderful job in Congress and as a citizen's advocate. It's actually nice to vote for someone that is not the lesser of any evil.

To learn more about Cynthia McKinney watch the documentary American Blackout.
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney
or
http://votetruth08.com/

If Obama loses it'll be because the Republicans stole the election again.

resipsa · 08-25-2008, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandyacres

WT, you're right on from the perspective of an Obama supporter, but from my perspective, as a former Hillary supporter, I say he should have picked her and then he wouldn't be in the shape he's in.

Either way, though, I'm no fool.

Obama-Biden '08

gopers · 08-25-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakSmokeMJA

Whatever happened to an opposition party? It doesn't even exist here anymore. I have to agree with Stanley about the fact that both parties are practically the same when it comes to the issues.

Thats why I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney on the Green ticket. She represents all of the values that I hold dear and has done a wonderful job in Congress and as a citizen's advocate. It's actually nice to vote for someone that is not the lesser of any evil.

To learn more about Cynthia McKinney watch the documentary American Blackout.
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney
or
http://votetruth08.com/

She sounds interesting OS.

If Obama loses it'll be because the Republicans stole the election again.

What?!?

sandyacres · 08-25-2008, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakSmokeMJA

Whatever happened to an opposition party? It doesn't even exist here anymore. I have to agree with Stanley about the fact that both parties are practically the same when it comes to the issues.

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you on this. The lack of an opposition party really became obvious after the Democrats took back the House two years ago and then refused play hard ball with Bush. Bush is a bully. You have to have someone who is tuff to deal with him and Cheney. Pelosi specifically, and House Democrats in general, have done a lousy job standing up to this tyrant. There is no opposition anymore only an air of disagreement here and there. Yuck!

Quote:

Originally Posted by OakSmokeMJA

If Obama loses it'll be because the Republicans stole the election again.

You got it.

Oh, and I'll check out Cynthia McKinney. I'm always interested in what folks are saying on all sides. Thanks for the tip!

08-25-2008, 04:26 PM

If Obama loses, it's his fault, not Hillary's. She bowed out and fully endorsed him. She and Bill are even campaigning for him. Obama just farted all over the 18 million plus of us who voted for her. Picking her as VP was an easy choice, and a sure-fire win. He just totally f'ed up. Now I know why I didn't vote for him the first time around. Dumbest political move I've ever seen, his picking Biden as his VP, and I like Biden. He would have gotten a 7 point bump by picking her. Now he's lost 4 points. That's 11 points blown. Idiotic. I do question his judgement, and I don't really trust him anymore. I'm still hoping he'll stop the MMJ raids, and I'd be a friggin' lunatic not to vote for him in Nov. Sure, a two party system sucks, but that's what we've got to work with. 4 more years of McBush III? No thanks. I'd vote for a rabid raccoon before I'd vote for McCain. Still, I'm pissed.

hashball · 08-25-2008, 06:54 PM

I believe that if obama looses it THE AMERICAN PEOPLES FAULT...too many people talk the talk...complain...and then dont go fucken vote...sorry for cussing but that really chaps my hide...every vote counts...on a side note...obama's skin color is going to be a serious issue for MILLIONS AND MILLONS of Americans...try and sugar coat it all you want...but millions of people will vote mccain simply because hes white...racism is still a majior issue...its just dressed up all pretty now...not the back south cross burning kkk idiots of the past...the bill o'rilley...ivy league educated racists of 08...high

**FARMER** · 08-25-2008, 07:08 PM

If he loses not only is it his own fault (no matter how much you want to blame the Clintons!) but it's also the fault of the dems for not getting the (youth) vote out and for allowing the choice of Biden. What a complete waste that will prove to be. Oh, yeah, tell me how he's gonna bring home PA. BFD! He needed someone to secure the heartland and Biden ain't it.

Can't believe the dems managed to screw up again. Oh well, what's another four years?

mon-well · 08-25-2008, 08:38 PM

Not at all, but I can say that even if Hillary was the dem. nom she'd be in the same exact position as Obama is. People are worried they don't have enough experience to lead a nation.

**randyfolds** · 08-25-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weedtracker

im going to go out on a limb here and say that if obama looses the general election that its going to fall squarely on the shoulders of the clintons as the reason why he lost.

Seriously? You don't think half a country full of republicans and a national tradition of racism and ignorance would be the culprit?

blunderson · 08-25-2008, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randyfolds

Seriously? You don't think half a country full of republicans and a national tradition of racism and ignorance would be the culprit?

1. if obama loses it will be because people like us didn't do enough to carry him to victory.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outre...ew/main/JMello

2. the clintons brought out the worst in many voters and stoked the flames of ratial ignorance. so they will share some of the blame.

08-25-2008, 12:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
*weedtracker* I'm the Ad-min-Diddly-in Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: WeedTRACKER Co-Op: No Vendor: no Patient: Yes Posts: 7,991 Rep Power: 177267	if obama looses is it hillaries fault? im going to go out on a limb here and say that if obama looses the general election that its going to fall squarely on the shoulders of the clintons as the reason why he lost. i think that if obama looses you can pretty much kiss hillaries chance of being president goodbye and you can kiss bill clintons legacy as a party leader goodbye and you can kiss the democratic party goodbye. this will truely be the begining of a viable 3rd party if obama looses, his supports will not tollerate a party ruled by the people who caused him to loose. hes got enough money, influence and support to start a real viable 3rd party that could compete with the best of them in 2012. weedtracker says.. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-25-2008, 12:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Dieselworks Om namah shivaya Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In an Collective Illusion Co-Op: No Vendor: No Patient: Yes Posts: 852 Rep Power: 65494	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? If the democrats can't pull this one off, they should just hang it up. Forget about it. My concern is that as the election approaches Obama and McCain sound like carbon copies. "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" I liked Hillary when we said stuff like:"this administration is running the country like a plantation", she quickly backed away from that type of tough talk. So will obama. Notice how Obama has backed away from his $1000 per person rebate funded by windfall profit tax on oil companies. Guess hes not good at dodging bullets.

08-25-2008, 12:45 PM	#3 (permalink)
Weed Hopper Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 19 Rep Power: 0	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? "plantation". Go Hillary. This is true. I ate a lot better under Clinton. I had more freedoms under Clinton. Under Bush, I feel like a useless slave. The international bankers who literally own the IRS and the Federal Reserve Board, hence entire this country, they decide who gets elected, who lives, who die. Please do not tell me you are still watching TV? I thought that thing was abolished years ago when it was discovered that the TV was being used to de-program and program minds. How'd you get that thing? Careful. Sometimes the effects are not reversible. Down on the hemp farm, we're just writing music, tilling the soil, ...billy is tinkering with his inventions. hemp cellulose can do some interesting stuff. Anyways, good luck with your mind games on that TV. Next week, Obama @ 66% popularity high. Following week, Obama @ 49% lull. The week after that, Obama bumped into a waitress and smiles. Popularity neutral. The week after that...Obama down to 33%, calls waitress and wants another order of ribs and breasts, some rump roast will be in order as well. The week after that... Man, I don't know how you guys can handle the TV like that. It's so....Orwellian.

08-25-2008, 12:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dieselworks Om namah shivaya Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In an Collective Illusion Co-Op: No Vendor: No Patient: Yes Posts: 852 Rep Power: 65494	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? I preach personal responsibility. So, I think if obama looses i think its obama's fault. Let see, he has about 4x's the money Mccain has. So if you can't beat a one arm senior citizen (no offense intended towards WT seniors, just Mccain) when you have four times the money. then you are a loser of such epic proportions, that it will dwarf King George's failures.

08-25-2008, 01:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
stanley Medicated since 1968 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: East Bay Area Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 2,049 Rep Power: 99990	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? The only guaranteed loser in the next election is the American People. regardless of the winner Mcbama or O'cain, its all the same. Politics as usual. Biden..... Obama, who claimed to be an agent of change... and he selects a career politician in the senate since 1973... Thats longer than most of you have been alive..... Talk about more of the same..... If McCain selects Lieberman we will just complete the farce.... And, like WeedTracker suggests, we will most likely drive the last nails in the coffin of the two party system. stanley says..Limit all US politicians to two terms.. One in office----One in prison Illinois already does this!

08-25-2008, 01:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
shecky7 the decedent Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: edge of the pacific plate Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 1,628 Rep Power: 28950	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? I think it's O.J.'s fault. And Bruce Willis could have made a good movie, oh, say, this decade. All in all; it's looking to be a knock-down-drag-out-media-whore-fest for SURE. I will write in Ru Paul for President with Tom Cruise as the New Improved Dick Cheney. That way we get all our bases covered demographically and politically and phonetically as well (just to go -ally crazy!) and be entertained at what is really top-notch talent. I've never seen Joe Biden and Bob Odenkirk at a party together?? I at LEAST smell a Made-for-tv-mini-drama role for Bob as Biden, if not a good shot at a straight dramatic piece on the big-screen. Pass the gas mask. shecky7 says..the decedent speaks Last edited by shecky7; 08-25-2008 at 01:50 PM.. Reason: I can't format a paragraph too good...ly?

08-25-2008, 03:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
*OakSmokeMJA* WT Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oakland Co-Op: yes Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,477 Rep Power: 87905	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? Whatever happened to an opposition party? It doesn't even exist here anymore. I have to agree with Stanley about the fact that both parties are practically the same when it comes to the issues. Thats why I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney on the Green ticket. She represents all of the values that I hold dear and has done a wonderful job in Congress and as a citizen's advocate. It's actually nice to vote for someone that is not the lesser of any evil. To learn more about Cynthia McKinney watch the documentary *American Blackout. or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_McKinney* or http://votetruth08.com/ If Obama loses it'll be because the Republicans stole the election again. OakSmokeMJA says.. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. I work for Purple Heart Patient Center Last edited by OakSmokeMJA; 08-25-2008 at 03:31 PM..

08-25-2008, 04:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
senorlou Guest Posts: n/a	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? If Obama loses, it's his fault, not Hillary's. She bowed out and fully endorsed him. She and Bill are even campaigning for him. Obama just farted all over the 18 million plus of us who voted for her. Picking her as VP was an easy choice, and a sure-fire win. He just totally f'ed up. Now I know why I didn't vote for him the first time around. Dumbest political move I've ever seen, his picking Biden as his VP, and I like Biden. He would have gotten a 7 point bump by picking her. Now he's lost 4 points. That's 11 points blown. Idiotic. I do question his judgement, and I don't really trust him anymore. I'm still hoping he'll stop the MMJ raids, and I'd be a friggin' lunatic not to vote for him in Nov. Sure, a two party system sucks, but that's what we've got to work with. 4 more years of McBush III? No thanks. I'd vote for a rabid raccoon before I'd vote for McCain. Still, I'm pissed.

08-25-2008, 06:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
hashball its me highinsp DETROIT BASKETBALL Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a coopless county in cali Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 70 Rep Power: 1821	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? I believe that if obama looses it THE AMERICAN PEOPLES FAULT...too many people talk the talk...complain...and then dont go fucken vote...sorry for cussing but that really chaps my hide...every vote counts...on a side note...obama's skin color is going to be a serious issue for MILLIONS AND MILLONS of Americans...try and sugar coat it all you want...but millions of people will vote mccain simply because hes white...racism is still a majior issue...its just dressed up all pretty now...not the back south cross burning kkk idiots of the past...the bill o'rilley...ivy league educated racists of 08...high

08-25-2008, 07:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
FARMER WT Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Co-Op: NO Vendor: yes Patient: YES Posts: 665 Rep Power: 663	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? If he loses not only is it his own fault (no matter how much you want to blame the Clintons!) but it's also the fault of the dems for not getting the (youth) vote out and for allowing the choice of Biden. What a complete waste that will prove to be. Oh, yeah, tell me how he's gonna bring home PA. BFD! He needed someone to secure the heartland and Biden ain't it. Can't believe the dems managed to screw up again. Oh well, what's another four years? FARMER says.."These are the times that try men's souls." -Thomas Paine 1783 RUN, DON'T WALK, TO JOIN ASA TODAY. YOUR RIGHTS DEPEND ON IT! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-25-2008, 08:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
mon-well WT Regular Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fresno, CA Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 95 Rep Power: 993	Re: if obama looses is it hillaries fault? Not at all, but I can say that even if Hillary was the dem. nom she'd be in the same exact position as Obama is. People are worried they don't have enough experience to lead a nation.

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