[shecky7]

Defense Department Establishes Civilian Expeditionary Workforce

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=52840

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 27, 2009 – The Defense Department is forming a civilian expeditionary workforce that will be trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of military missions worldwide, according to department officials.
The intent of the program “is to maximize the use of the civilian workforce to allow military personnel to be fully utilized for operational requirements,” according to a Defense Department statement.

Deputy Defense Secretary Gordon England signed Defense Department Directive 1404.10, which outlines and provides guidance about the program, on Jan. 23.

Certain duty positions may be designated by the various Defense Department components to participate in the program. If a position is designated, the employee will be asked to sign an agreement that they will deploy if called upon to do so. If the employee does not wish to deploy, every effort will be made to reassign the employee to a nondeploying position.

The directive emphasizes, however, that volunteers be sought first for any expeditionary requirements, before requiring anyone to serve involuntarily or on short notice. Overseas duty tours shall not exceed two years.

Employees in deployable-designated positions will be trained, equipped and prepared to serve overseas in support of humanitarian, reconstruction and, if absolutely necessary, combat-support missions.

The program also is open to former and retired civilian employees who agree to return to federal service on a time-limited status to serve overseas or to fill in for people deployed overseas.

Program participants are eligible for military medical support while serving in their overseas duty station.

All participants will undergo pre- and post-deployment medical testing, including physical and psychological exams.

Defense civilians reassigned from their normal duty to serve overseas will be granted the right to return to the positions they held prior to their deployment or to a position of similar grade, level and responsibility within the same organization, regardless of the deployment length .

Families of deployed Defense Department civilian employees shall be supported and provided with information on benefits and entitlements and issues likely to be faced by the employee during and upon return from a deployment.

Defense civilian employees who participate in the expeditionary program shall be treated with high regard as an indication of the department’s respect for those who serve expeditionary requirements.

Expeditionary program participants’ service and experience shall be valued, respected and recognized as career-enhancing.

Participants who meet program requirements would be eligible to receive the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Global War on Terrorism.

"BEFORE requiring involuntary service...". Just in case. Is it just me or is it the year of telling surnames in politics and media? I don't know about this guy "Gordon England" Orange drink anyone?

[purplegumby]

This just means in times of conflict people are going to be more open to shooting at civilians(not the army) and any other person. It sounds like more people might need meds!!!!

[OakSmokeMJA]

Sounds like a bad idea to me. Our resources are stretched too far anyways without creating a new "civilian corp" of half-militant " workers. Our military medical facilities are way too congested, don't even bring up the VA, or are they even eligible for VA benefits?

The Secretary of Defense Medal for the Exporting of The Global War on Terrorism.

[superface13]

More money to be printed out of thin air, diluting the dollar, for upkeep on our empire. We spend a trillion dollars a year trying to police the world in the name of security, when we are actually throwing fuel on the fire.

[Au_Hunter]

OOPS....

Perhaps the electorate will ask "what kind of change" from future presidential candidates since the media isn't the peoples advocate any longer.

The obvious...

All MOS are trained to fight first and their second function is secondary to defense.

Changing that dynamic to one where untrained civilians are in the mix may increase the number of armed fighters in the field but unarmed semi-civilians in harms way will change the field dynamics to one where the fighters must also act as protectors of those unarmed, effectly reducing the ability of the fighters to deploy into the field and away from a base, unless there is a protector force, thus increasing the numbers of required personel.

If you have a tank mechanic who can fight, you pay one person to defend and maintain.

Hire a semi-civilian to maintain tanks, take the combat fighter into the field and who is left to defend the tank mechanic?

This sounds as if the goal is to increase the combat teams by placing semi-civilians into a battle field situation lacking combat rediness which then requires a protection force...

Instant employment, instant jobs and a positive accomplishment for the administration intent upon "creating jobs" inside government...

(admittedly I read the article very quickly while medicated and may have missed something and reserve the right to revise and extend my comments)

[clinton]

This does sound like DRAFT.

clinton

[shecky7]

Hey Didn't Iraq just put a ban on Blackwater?? Now all those guys can go back to work...

The program also is open to former and retired civilian employees who agree to return to federal service on a time-limited status to serve overseas or to fill in for people deployed overseas.

[gopers]

Sounds like to me a way of getting beaurocrats to the combat zone. So, does that mean they can micro manage the military a little closer. Hell, if I was in uniform again I just might accidently lose some of my frag's if they were getting in the way.

And if this was to go threw, then NO VA BENEFITS to the civilians. They are not volunteering to have their blood spilled, they are volunteering to be D.C. lackeys in a combat zone.

More than likely here is a scenerio,
"Mr. Curtis(Field Commander of civilian work force)- Colonel, Is that town secure?

Colonel Beckstod(Brigade Commanders Aide)- Mr. Curtis, the town has been secured for over a week.

Mr. Curtis- Thats commander to you colonel. Well, I thought I heard gunfire near the town last night.

Colonel Beckstod-Thinking to himself,"Prick". Mr. Curtis, that was our motor "T" guys having a backfiring problem with your departments Pink LandRovers.

Do you get the picture?

Civilians and military don't blend well on the battefield.

[Au_Hunter]

Originally Posted by gopers

Sounds like to me a way of getting beaurocrats to the combat zone. So, does that mean they can micro manage the military a little closer. Hell, if I was in uniform again I just might accidently lose some of my frag's if they were getting in the way.

And if this was to go threw, then NO VA BENEFITS to the civilians. They are not volunteering to have their blood spilled, they are volunteering to be D.C. lackeys in a combat zone.

More than likely here is a scenerio,
"Mr. Curtis(Field Commander of civilian work force)- Colonel, Is that town secure?

Colonel Beckstod(Brigade Commanders Aide)- Mr. Curtis, the town has been secured for over a week.

Mr. Curtis- Thats commander to you colonel. Well, I thought I heard gunfire near the town last night.

Colonel Beckstod-Thinking to himself,"Prick". Mr. Curtis, that was our motor "T" guys having a backfiring problem with your departments Pink LandRovers.

Do you get the picture?

Civilians and military don't blend well on the battefield.

I can see it now, a brand new branch of the military doing community development in foriegn lands, spreading friendship and Democracy while imploying millions of out of work.

They can pass out flowers and contraceptives while teaching the importance of saving the planet while feeling really, really good about themselves.



<sarchasm button off>

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by Au_Hunter

They can pass out flowers and contraceptives while teaching the importance of saving the planet while feeling really, really good about themselves.



<sarchasm button off>

Don't forget plastic US flags.

[HappaGuy]

Originally Posted by shecky7

Defense Department Establishes Civilian Expeditionary Workforce

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=52840

By Gerry J. Gilmore
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Jan. 27, 2009 – The Defense Department is forming a civilian expeditionary workforce that will be trained and equipped to deploy overseas in support of military missions worldwide, ...

Defense civilians reassigned from their normal duty to serve overseas will be granted the right to return to the positions they held prior to their deployment or to a position of similar grade, level and responsibility within the same organization, regardless of the deployment length .

Families of deployed Defense Department civilian employees shall be supported and provided with information on benefits and entitlements and issues likely to be faced by the employee during and upon return from a deployment.

Originally Posted by clinton

This does sound like DRAFT.

clinton

Yeah, I thought so too.

It sounded to me like the Defense Department was going to cherry pick the working civilian population in the USA and draft them to support military operations. It sounded like they had just militarized the whole US.

BUT, they are talking about civilian employees of the defense department. (This is more apparent if you read the article in its context at the DoD website).

volunteers be sought first for any expeditionary requirements, before requiring anyone to serve involuntarily or on short notice.

Thus, the upshot of this article is that to be employed by the DoD as a civilian will soon mean you might be drafted for different duties in support of military operations. They are adding DoD employees to the National Guard as backups for the military.

I can live with that, but then I don't work for the DoD or the National Guard.

I do agree that civilians on/in support of the battlefield does not sound like good tactics. Our guys already commit to leave no comrade behind. That's necessary for military morale, but very expensive in practice, I think. To further burden our soldiers to the protection of a civilian "expeditionary force" sounds like it will use more assets than it will free up.

(Not pleased about how the National Guard was abused and broken by getting drafted into Iraq and Afghanistan, -not to mention our volunteer military.)

[early mornin stoned pimp]

thanks, happaguy, for injecting some rationality into the discussion

[shecky7]

Wow, that implies that 'rationality' was nonexistent in prior posts? Hmm, care to show why you think that or just callin' out to call out? he he If my pimp talked to me like that I'd pimp-slap him!
volunteers be sought first for any expeditionary requirements, before requiring anyone to serve involuntarily or on short notice.
This in NO WAY implies that civilians will not be called on. They will seek out voulenteers first BEFORE REQUIRING INVOLUNTARY SERVICE. Or is the print that small?
Anyway have fun with it...Being a citizen is like being part of the military of the US anyway; a citizen is an office of the state. Pushups or Checkbooks; So choose your battles, the Theater at the mall or the Theater of war.

[early mornin stoned pimp]

Originally Posted by shecky7

Wow, that implies that 'rationality' was nonexistent in prior posts? Hmm, care to show why you think that or just callin' out to call out? he he If my pimp talked to me like that I'd pimp-slap him!
volunteers be sought first for any expeditionary requirements, before requiring anyone to serve involuntarily or on short notice.
This in NO WAY implies that civilians will not be called on. They will seek out voulenteers first BEFORE REQUIRING INVOLUNTARY SERVICE. Or is the print that small?
Anyway have fun with it...Being a citizen is like being part of the military of the US anyway; a citizen is an office of the state. Pushups or Checkbooks; So choose your battles, the Theater at the mall or the Theater of war.

it doesnt imply. you were inferring.

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by early mornin stoned pimp

it doesnt imply. you were inferring.

ha ha,look up the definition to imply little man. infer my posterior on your nose. Quite funny, you sound like a preacher or a third grade teacher. When you point out they are wrong they just change the subject and don't answer the question. Failure to rebut to a charge is admission of guilt, so, Me -1 Early'-0. Sheesh its easy to rile a tracker these days. Go LAKERS?!! ahem...
Isn't that what they did over in WWI? Hey what was the score to game one of the 1915 world series? If not you were a spy?So Go lakers, pay my taxes, watch a tv show.
me on any normal day.

[early mornin stoned pimp]

hahaha nice, shecky, but i never implied that there was no rationality before. however you can't read this whole thread and say it was entirely rational. happaguys response has been, undoubtedly, one of the more rational responses in this discussion. your above response certainly wasn't rational; it was kinda rude though. be glad i'm an easy-going guy and just laughed instead of getting riled up like you inferred (which I certainly didn't imply) ... to me, personally, it sems like you got riled up just now, whereas i'm sitting here laughing! but perhaps i inferred incorrectly.


im⋅ply
–verb (used with object), -plied, -ply⋅ing.
1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
2. (of words) to signify or mean.
3. to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.
4. Obsolete. to enfold.

infer -
verb, -ferred, -fer⋅ring. –verb (used with object)
1. to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice.
2. (of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to.
3. to guess; speculate; surmise.
4. to hint; imply; suggest. –verb (used without object)
5. to draw a conclusion, as by reasoning.


given that I didn't mean what you concluded, well, i still say i didn't imply.
but that's really not the point. it was half joking. i was referencing a movie, though I can't remember which....

feel free to update your scorecard if you like; i'm not counting points here.

[shecky7]

Originally Posted by early mornin stoned pimp

hahaha nice, shecky, but i never implied that there was no rationality before. however you can't read this whole thread and say it was entirely rational. happaguys response has been, undoubtedly, one of the more rational responses in this discussion. your above response certainly wasn't rational; it was kinda rude though. be glad i'm an easy-going guy and just laughed instead of getting riled up like you inferred (which I certainly didn't imply) ... to me, personally, it sems like you got riled up just now, whereas i'm sitting here laughing! but perhaps i inferred incorrectly.


im⋅ply
–verb (used with object), -plied, -ply⋅ing.
1. to indicate or suggest without being explicitly stated: His words implied a lack of faith.
2. (of words) to signify or mean.
3. to involve as a necessary circumstance: Speech implies a speaker.
4. Obsolete. to enfold.

infer -
verb, -ferred, -fer⋅ring. –verb (used with object)
1. to derive by reasoning; conclude or judge from premises or evidence: They inferred his displeasure from his cool tone of voice.
2. (of facts, circumstances, statements, etc.) to indicate or involve as a conclusion; lead to.
3. to guess; speculate; surmise.
4. to hint; imply; suggest. –verb (used without object)
5. to draw a conclusion, as by reasoning.


given that I didn't mean what you concluded, well, i still say i didn't imply.
but that's really not the point. it was half joking. i was referencing a movie, though I can't remember which....

feel free to update your scorecard if you like; i'm not counting points here.

oh i must a missed that flick. oh dude-knuckle, i know this is fiction, see thats why I call me-shelf shecky7. But, being fictitious, we can wave the wand and take what we want and leave the rest. I thought I was making fun jabs, like I realize you are not a pimp or that I will never try and bitch slap anyone, I don't even start fights... But why pick and choose with the defining . Miriam Webster agrees with my usage.
2. to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement.

If the only rational post was the one stated , it is IMPLIED that the rest are not.
I guess I'm just pickin' bones at this point tho' thanks! I'm just using the wrong words too much...slap slap

[kennabis]

sounds like the world police, in the making, presto..!!! right before your eyes...

It is DoD policy to:
a. Rely on a mix of capable military members and DoD civilian employees to meet DoD
global national security mission requirements. DoD civilian employees are an integral part of
the Total Force. They serve in a variety of positions, provide essential capabilities and, where
appropriate for civilians to do so, support mission requirements such as combat, contingencies,
emergency operations; humanitarian and civic assistance activities; disaster relief; restoration of
order; drug interdiction; and stability operations of the Department of Defense, herein
collectively referred to as “expeditionary requirements.”

what is stability operations of the dod..?!? a little ambiguous hhmmmm...?!? with a little poking around, i came up with,



[ 2-74. Stability operations are conducted among the people, in the spotlight of international news media, and under the umbrella of international law. The actions of Soldiers communicate American values and beliefs more effectively than words alone. Therefore, military forces ensure consistency in their actions and messages. They provide the media with prompt, factual information to quell rumors and misinformation. They grant media representatives access to information within the limits of operations security. Finally,
they understand the culture of each audience and tailor the message appropriately.

2-75. No other military activity has as significant a human component as operations that occur among the people. With urbanization, these operations will be increasingly conducted among concentrations of people and thus significantly affect their psyche. Human beings capture information and form perceptions based on inputs received through all the senses. They see actions and hear words. They compare gestures and expressions with the spoken word. They weigh the messages presented to them with the conditions that surround them. When the local and national news media are unavailable or unreliable, people often rely on “word of mouth” to gain information or turn to the Internet, where unverified information flows freely at unimaginable speeds. To the people, perception equals reality. Creating favorable perceptions requires an understanding of the psychological motivations of the populace and shaping messages according to how people absorb and interpret information to ensure broad appeal and acceptance.]

hhmmm, war manuals and doctrines are hell..!!! they are really spooky to read, speaking of reading, has anyone read 1984 george orwell, oh of course you have.

hey let's all sing "the world police", but to the cheaptrick song "dream police", c'mon, it will be fun,


The world police, they come to me in my bed
Theworld police, they're coming to arrest me,
Oh, no

You know that talk is cheap,
And those rumors ain't nice
And when I fall asleep
I don't think I'll survive the night
The night

'Cause they're waiting for me
They're looking for me
Every single night
They're driving me insane
Those men inside my brain

The world police, they live inside of my head (live inside of my head)
The world police, they come to me in my bed (come to me in my bed)
The world police, they're coming to arrest me,
Oh, no

Well, I can't tell lies,
'Cause they're listening to me
And when I fall asleep,
I bet they're spying on me tonight
Tonight

'Cause they're waiting for me
They're looking for me
Every single night
They're driving me insane
Those men inside my brain

I try to sleep, they're wide awake, they won't let me alone
They don't get paid or take vacations or let me alone
They spy on me, I try to hide, they won't let me alone
They persecute me, they're the judge and jury all in one

'Cause they're waiting for me
They're looking for me
Every single night
They're driving me insane
Those men inside my brain

The world police, they live inside of my head (live inside of my head)
The world police, they come to me in my bed (come to me in my bed)
The world police, they're coming to arrest me
The world police (police, police)
The world police (police, police)
The world police (police, police)
The world police (police, police)
The world police (police, police)
The world police (police, police)

[early mornin stoned pimp]

there was no necessary consequence. I can certainly state that happaguys response was rational without necessarily meaning that there was no rationality at all before.
come on now....
certainly there was some rationality in this thread prior to happaguy's response, but it was still lacking. happaguy's response was the MOST rational, to be sure.
your misunderstanding was a result of your inference (deduced from my lack of elaboration, i will admit), not my implying :P

and as for pimp slaps.... well lets leave that to another day shall we?


edit: what in the world is a shecky, anyway...? i've always wondered...

much love, pimpy

[shecky7]

So we can add to our former presidents on point comment by adding also that
a shecky is what shecky does. Shecky is an action, a fountain of being and not really definable. he he. You know I love ya I hope in a purely spiritual way, its all in fun. In another life I was a tibetan monk. We sit around and debate stuff to show the meaninglessness of position and to confront our emotional reaction to concept. We are 'doin' it, babeeeee'. So here we are like fountains of moment.....And plus, remember most DoD work is OUTSOURCED, like everything else in the government. Consider that in the equation as a possibility. Mr. pimp et.al. And Kennabis I saw Cheap Trick do the Dream Police tour with Kiss' Love Gun Forum show. Gene burnt his hair, haha. BTW, do you guys know why they are switching over to digital TV manditory? Because the Mhz that the analog signal is on is the same one they use for MK Ultra based microwave and ELF mind-control. Fantasia is a funny place-a sunny place-a bunny place! Ha ha bunnys. What were you saying Mr. Bergeron?
Namast-tasty!

[kennabis]

i was at the forum show as well shecky..!!! and i actually thought i would be able to hear myself on the "kiss alive II" album, if i yelled loud enough i think you can hear me cough, right before "god of thunder", ya gotta turn it way up, and listen real hard, kids into satans service k.i.s.s.....

thanx again shecky, for some insight into the forced digital realm, i knew something was up, but i have not made any time to uncover truth ... those early pioneers of uhf/vhf were not takin conspiratorial issues into consideration...



i'm wearing my star shield, are you..?!? if you do not tune into your own frequency daily, now is a good time to start, cuz pretty soon, someone will do it for ya..!!! i am the master of my realitys, oooooh, some black sabbath on a wax platter is proper today..!!!

[Sir Don]

Originally Posted by shecky7

a shecky is what shecky does. Shecky is an action, a fountain of being and not really definable. he he.

I thought you were honoring Schecky Green ...


... Good Lord! I'm feeling soooo old!