[xxxthatwhiteboy]

Hi ive posted many posts here before trying to find out asmuch information as i can and eveyone dose help. I had a bad experance on weed before, i was 18 at the time well now im 21 but i took ahit out my friends bong and started walking home i diddent know what kinda weed it was maybe a sativa or an indica not to sure. But i started walking home and it was a hot hot day and the kottomouth just kicked in, i had no water or anything then my legs got relly week and wobly like noddles and then my heart started to race really fast i could feel it beating in my chest faster and faster thought i was going to die , sent me to the er, well now that i have my card im afrade to try smokeing a good amout. I rather smoke for my conditions rather then take pills, I have tourettes and add and ocd so im always on the go and plus i have anxiety, why dose an indica relax and put people to sleep and it has a different effect on me? it seems eveytime i even want to smoke my heart will start to race like im getting ancy or something. I know im not going to die from it ill be ok but its a nightmare when going threw a racy heart when smokeing for me i just dont like the feeling. thanks.!


P.s my smokeing methods are bongs , bubbler , small pipe , vape

[*~KultuRe~*]

Hey man, I hate to burst your bubble, but continually asking this question isn't going to breed different results or even an answer. People here have voiced their opinions, several times, and all kind of came to the same conclusion that Medical Cannabis may not be for you.

If just even THINKING about smoking makes you racey and anxious, then what's the point of even smoking?? To relieve stress that is created by smoking?? or thinking of smoking?

No one can give you an extensive, in-depth analysis as to why Indicas don't have the same effect on you. They just don't. Accept it and move on. Consider searching for another alternative rather than spending your time posting the same exact question over and over. I honestly think that it would be more productive to search for another alternative to help you, because clearly Medical Cannabis isn't for you. I understand that you want to use a more natural cure to help you with your conditions, I too used to take pills to help with my anxiety and depression, but it only made me physically sick with no results. Medical Cannabis helps me greatly with my anxiety, but in no way does it increase my heart rate dramatically, nor do I fear for my life before I sit down to take a toke.

Medical Cannabis affects everyone differently, just as anti-depressants affect everyone differently, just as tylenol opposed to excedrin, as with every medication. Medical Cannabis does increase your heart rate, but not so much so that it becomes a problem and you become fearful (so much so that you go to the hospital)

I hope you find what your looking for bro, but honestly, even though I try to recommend Cannabis for any condition that it may help...I don't think medical Cannabis is for you. Good luck, and bless all.

[VooDoo Chile]

Hey dude, I don't have any of your conditions, but I've had the racing heart from smoking too much. I hope you know that this is often listed as an effect of Cannabis. Anyway, Indicas effect me sorta like they effect you. I've gotten the racing heart primarily from Indicas and the only time I've really had anxiety from Cannabis, it's been from an Indica. Consequently, I don't smoke Indicas, not even Hybrids. It's straight Sativas for me.

As for the rapid heart beat prior to smoking, that's a classic Pavlovian response. Your mind is associating Cannabis with anxiety, so your body is mimicking the symptoms of previous experiances. You may or may not be able to overcome this. As the previous response stated, MMJ might not be right for you. If smoking Cannabis hurts more than it helps, then just give it up. Simple as that. Good luck.

Originally Posted by xxxthatwhiteboy

Hi ive posted many posts here before trying to find out asmuch information as i can and eveyone dose help. I had a bad experance on weed before, i was 18 at the time well now im 21 but i took ahit out my friends bong and started walking home i diddent know what kinda weed it was maybe a sativa or an indica not to sure. But i started walking home and it was a hot hot day and the kottomouth just kicked in, i had no water or anything then my legs got relly week and wobly like noddles and then my heart started to race really fast i could feel it beating in my chest faster and faster thought i was going to die , sent me to the er, well now that i have my card im afrade to try smokeing a good amout. I rather smoke for my conditions rather then take pills, I have tourettes and add and ocd so im always on the go and plus i have anxiety, why dose an indica relax and put people to sleep and it has a different effect on me? it seems eveytime i even want to smoke my heart will start to race like im getting ancy or something. I know im not going to die from it ill be ok but its a nightmare when going threw a racy heart when smokeing for me i just dont like the feeling. thanks.!


P.s my smokeing methods are bongs , bubbler , small pipe , vape

People get nervous when they enter unfamiliar territory.

Given the fact that these foreign feelings are actually inside of you, there's nowhere to run to escape them. That makes people freak even more. It's like, "Oh no! What if I can't handle what happens here?!?!"

All you have to remember is that you will not die from cannabis intoxication. It's impossible. Also, your heart is only beating faster to supply oxygen to your brain which is scrambling to find answers to the current dilemma. Remember that a temporary fast heartbeat is NOT threatening to your health at all, so that's not going to kill you either. Vigorous exercise makes your heart beat fast too, and that's actually what you want.

The best thing to do to at least somewhat calm these reactions is fresh oxygen and water. If you ever feel panicky, have a glass of water (preferrably from a filtered source, of course). And it's better to sip it, or take gulps, rather than chug it. Hydrating the system obviously helps it operate more efficiently, including brain function, and if you feel your brain working better, obviously it will make you more confident/less nervous.

Also, depending on the time of day, for example if it's night time and the air is cool and clean, step outside and take a couple deep breaths and EXHALE SLOWLY. This can help deliver more oxygen to areas of the brain that are demanding it, and it can help lessen the load on your heart. Not that your heart is having trouble, but it may help how your mind feels about it, obviously. So, until you get to the point where you can trust your heart to beat a little faster than usual, and let the feeling run it's course, try those things.

And you always know it will come to an end eventually anyway...

It's a test of your character. That's how I see it. Sometimes Mary likes to see where your spirit is at... but don't worry, she won't hurt you.

[xxxthatwhiteboy]

wow thank you so much canabliss you really made me understand alot! see its really hard because people tell me stop smokeing you know. so its hard. What do you usaily feel when you smoke? thanks !

[superface13]

I know I've replied to one of your threads before, but I don't think I said what I do to alleviate the anxiety/rapid heart rate when it happens.


I got this out of a book and it sounds kind of weird and new agey but it works. When I start to feel that rush of anxiety after smoking something, I start concentrating on my feet and hands. I focus on the sensations they are feeling and block out everything else. After a few minutes, I can feel a tingling sensation in my hands and feet. It's more like feeling every sensation in my hands and feet at the same time....kinda weird. Once I can really feel the tingling sensation, I start focusing on my legs and arms. The tingling sensation automatically moves up my arms and legs. I usually run out of concentration by now, but my anxiety is gone and replaced by a nice mellow high. I guess it gets me out of my head and into my body so the anxiety goes away.

I also quit taking gravity bong hits:blush:

This also works when you're wound up over something and not medicated. It's great to calm your nerves after a stressful day.

[gar3618]

So this happens everytime you smoke? How often do you use cannabis? What I don't understand is why continue doing something that makes you feel so uncomfortable? There are many medicinal effects of MMJ but MMJ reacts differently to everyone.. I agree with you Cannabliss gave you some good advice to get over racy heart but if it happens everytime, you should ask yourself is it really worth it?

[*~KultuRe~*]

Remember that a temporary fast heartbeat is NOT threatening to your health at all, so that's not going to kill you either. Vigorous exercise makes your heart beat fast too, and that's actually what you want.

Umm, I can't necessarily prove this with any specific fact, but I'm almost 100% positive that your heart speed increasing due to exercise and your heart speed increasing due to smoking are two totally different things, the latter being not so good for your health. I'm pretty sure that smoking just about ANYTHING can increase your heart rate simply because it puts stress and pressure on the heart, and that's a bad thing. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that your heart rate increasing due to you smoking is NOTHING of the same terms/effects of exercise. Anyone have any input/facts?

[SOCALFORTUNE]

MAYBE THE DUDE SHOULD ONLY CONSUME ED'S

Originally Posted by xxxthatwhiteboy

wow thank you so much canabliss you really made me understand alot! see its really hard because people tell me stop smokeing you know. so its hard. What do you usaily feel when you smoke? thanks !

What usually happens when I smoke, well obviously it depends on the strain, but usually I just get a deflated feeling (if it's indica) which I only like when I'm in pain or feel like resting, otherwise I actually don't like it. I've been through the discomfort enough though to know it's going to pass in 10-15 minutes, so I really don't worry about it. I may just lay on the floor in front of the TV until I feel like getting up.

If it's a sativa, I just feel my mind opening up and I think about all kinds of beautiful things I know I wouldn't have thought of otherwise. Adventures into the great unknown ensue... I get excited, but not so excited that I freak out. I think I'm beyond that phase anyway. I usually go outside and enjoy the sun, the air; nature... seems to be more peaceful that way.

Panic attacks have happened to me rarely now. I used to have 2 or 3 every week back in my early 20's, but the last time I've had one was over a year ago. If I ever have one, it's usually from smoking an indica at the wrong time, such as, if I want to go out and do something, but then I can't because I'm flattened on the floor. It pisses me off to the point where I want to fight it so I can get going... and that's when the trip would kick in. When you try to fight it.

You have to let go, and let the herb do what it wants, and don't worry, it won't hurt you. People trip when they try to control it. Then when it fights back, it makes you trip even more, because you feel like you can't control it even though you're trying so hard to! It can feel like it's wearing you out too. Which sucks, of course. The best (and only) thing to do is just surrender, and accept what it gives you. PEOPLE make the anxiety worse than it would be because of fighting the feeling. It's really only during the peak effect that you are at the mercy of Lady Cannabis and what she wants to show you... which only lasts for 10-20 minutes depending on strain and dose, and it's not a bad thing if you don't try to fight it anyway.

After every panic attack I've ever had though, I've always laughed at myself afterward, because I knew that if I would have just let go, it wouldn't have been so bad. My ignorance in trying to fight something that wasn't even trying to hurt me, is what caused almost all of the discomfort... probably 90% of it. And I always remebered that I've survived much more difficult situations, so a goofy little 10-minute trip from a little flower isn't anything in comparison. Anyway, I've gotten used to the feelings now, and I pretty much learned through trial and error how to measure my doses properly, best times of day for certain strains, and a bunch of other little variables such as how much sleep I've had, what I've eaten, etc. can help me know how it's going to affect me at any given time.

I will still experience a slightly increased heart rate from time to time, but nothing like it was during the panic. I never even worry anymore when I notice it either, and it eventually drags back to normal within a couple minutes. This is probably mostly from just gaining an understanding of how it works. I know it's not tolerance, because I still get super blasted from just a small amount. I just don't freak anymore because it makes more sense to me now.

It's kind of hard to explain, and I don't know if I really did a good job in explaining it, but I hope this helps you. Mostly it just takes time to sort through what's confusing you. Like anything else, you get a grip on it after enough experience.

Originally Posted by *~KultuRe~*

Umm, I can't necessarily prove this with any specific fact, but I'm almost 100% positive that your heart speed increasing due to exercise and your heart speed increasing due to smoking are two totally different things, the latter being not so good for your health. I'm pretty sure that smoking just about ANYTHING can increase your heart rate simply because it puts stress and pressure on the heart, and that's a bad thing. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that your heart rate increasing due to you smoking is NOTHING of the same terms/effects of exercise. Anyone have any input/facts?

Different stimuli, but same reaction. It's just blood flow accelerating to deliver oxygen to the areas of the body that are demanding it.

Cannabis, while increasing heart rate, also simultaneously LOWERS blood PRESSURE. High pressure is what is bad for the heart and arteries, and cannabis decreases that negative effect. It's actually a healthy reaction. To have faster blood flow delivering more blood/oxygen throughout the body effectively, while not putting any extra pressure on the walls of the arteries.

People freak out because they don't understand it (especially since the effects of smoked cannabis are so sudden, and can suprise you). Then, a person's heart may start to beat harder... because your hearts beats harder when your fear switch is activated. People are the cause of the negative effects, not the herb. I know, because once I stopped fighting the effect, the scary/dangerous reactions came to a complete stop. Something that is happening inside of you should not be triggering a fight or flight response. When this happens with cannabis, it's a direct result of a misunderstanding of the effects of what you just put in your body.

Also, different kinds of smoke will affect your body differently. One example is how cigarette smoke acts as a bronchodial constrictor, reducing lung capacity, and thus oxygen flow throughout the body. Whereas cannabis smoke acts as a bronchodial dialator, expanding the lungs, helping to deliver more oxygen to the brain. Which is probably why the peak effect with an increased heart rate doesn't last very long. Your lungs are helping you out, absorbing more oxygen than usual, and it's also why deep breaths (followed by slow exhalation) effectively bring calm.

[BlueDreamKush]

Yeah, when i first started to smoke cannabis my heart ALWAYS use to be very racy. Thinking about it would only intensify it because I would get scared because I was young. After smoking about 100 more times I got the hint that cannabis does make the heart beat a little faster and when I got scared it made it worse. INSTANTLY when I realized this it completely stopped happening and hasnt happened since. I guess it was all mind games. Its not the herb its us lol.

[SOCALFORTUNE]

ITS NORMAL

[xxxthatwhiteboy]

oh wow thank you you , guys have helped im going to take a couple hits and try to relax because i guess its normal but when my heart beats faster it kinda makes me take more breaths and sometimes its hard to breath to catch up with my heart rate... ?:(

[Pluto27]

Originally Posted by xxxthatwhiteboy

oh wow thank you you , guys have helped im going to take a couple hits and try to relax because i guess its normal but when my heart beats faster it kinda makes me take more breaths and sometimes its hard to breath to catch up with my heart rate... ?:(

control your breathing by taking full slow breaths. just slooooowwww it down. you cant directly control your heart rate, but if you slow the breath the heart will follow

[215 Agenda]

Originally Posted by Pluto27

control your breathing by taking full slow breaths. just slooooowwww it down. you cant directly control your heart rate, but if you slow the breath the heart will follow

I couldn't have said it better. This has been my experience as well. After I figured out I could control my heart rate through my breathing it opened up a new door for me. I learned how to meditate. I have found great relief in meditation.
JD

[Pluto27]

Originally Posted by 215 Agenda

I couldn't have said it better. This has been my experience as well. After I figured out I could control my heart rate through my breathing it opened up a new door for me. I learned how to meditate. I have found great relief in meditation.
JD

medication without meditation is just getting stoned imo. its a hollistic process; its not just the plant that makes you well, but how you integrate it.

Originally Posted by Pluto27

control your breathing by taking full slow breaths. just slooooowwww it down. you cant directly control your heart rate, but if you slow the breath the heart will follow

This is true. :thumbup:

[xxxthatwhiteboy]

i think ive noticed that me smoeking blackberry kush helps its very relaxing i can take a hit or two out of a small zong and i dont notice my heart racing but i do notice that sometimes the back of my calfs will feel like the muscial is sore from working out or feels like my musclas dont want to work.. :-)

[Smokus Cannabis]

Originally Posted by xxxthatwhiteboy

i think ive noticed that me smoeking blackberry kush helps its very relaxing i can take a hit or two out of a small zong and i dont notice my heart racing but i do notice that sometimes the back of my calfs will feel like the muscial is sore from working out or feels like my musclas dont want to work.. :-)

It's good you've lowered your dosage. Personally, and in my very unprofessional opinion (I'm not a doctor) you're allergic to marijuana. It's a plant that flowers, and it's possible, though I'm sure it's not common, that you're just allergic to it. Here's a question, WhiteboyXXX. What are you taking medical marijuana for? You don't have to tell me if you don't want to. I'm taking it for depression, anxiety, and insomnia - all chronic conditions of mine. MMJ helps me, which is the only reason why I take it. If it didn't I wouldn't. I took Wellbutrin for it, my hands shook. I took Celexa - it did nothing. I took Ativan, it stopped working and I had to take more and more until I became addicted and then slowly tapered off since it wasn't working. I know you want this to work, since MJ is the safest drug on earth, pretty much, but if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. Taking MJ is a supremely enjoyable experience for me. The only time I get stressed out on MJ is when I either have serious things to attend to, eat too many edibles, or when somebody sells me schwag for Green Crack, like on Saturday. Otherwise, it helps me.
Good luck, WB. I hope you find something that works.

[xxxthatwhiteboy]

Thanks so much for the info i have been smoking the baclberry kush ..and ive noticed that i havent reall seen a rapid heart beat ... also im taking little bong hits so maybe this is working?

Originally Posted by xxxthatwhiteboy

Thanks so much for the info i have been smoking the baclberry kush ..and ive noticed that i havent reall seen a rapid heart beat ... also im taking little bong hits so maybe this is working?

Yeah, you were probably dosing too heavily for your system to handle in the past. Seems you are very sensitive to changes in your body. And like me, you're probably a lightweight. Which is cool. It saves money on medicine since I don't use as much.

[DreamSmoker]

Some people who do cannabis suffer from what is called tachycardia.. Rapid heart rate..
It is the combination of THC, CBCs, and CBDs in Cannabis that create this effect in some People...

[xxxthatwhiteboy]

Yeah it is way cool i save alot because i dont even have to make the bong milky i can just light it and take a snap hit really nicely. and will relax me wont give me a real big high will make me tired and chill. Also is there any way to stop thetachycardia ? or relax it?

[DreamSmoker]

I found this:

The drug in marijuana (THC) exerts profound effects on the brain and various other organs. When THC reaches your brain, it binds to cannabinoid receptors by mimicking anandamide, a neurotransmitter in your brain which affects your emotional state. When this occurs, your brain releases other neurtransmitters, the primary ones being dopamine (responsible for feelings of pleasure and reward); norepinephrine (responsible for feelings of arousal); serotonin (responsible for mood elevation); and GABA (responsible for feelings of relaxation). It also has dramatic effects on your heart muscle, making it beat much faster than normal (known as tachycardia). With that said, the spasms, tremors, and tachycardia are due to the release of dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. Most people do not have issues with these side effects, but some do. If you are taking ANY other medications, especially ones that affect your brain--spasms, tremors, and tachycardia can be greatly increased and could become life-threatening. Marijuana used alone is one thing, but mixing it with medications is very dangerous. Potheads will usually tell you "no, it's not gonna hurt you" or "weed can be mixed with other drugs" but they are badly mistaken. I have smoked my share of weed while taking various medications and have had very bad reactions, (i.e. spasms, tremors, and tachycardia).
I would discuss this problem with your Doctor...