[creeper]

my son is 12yrs old and has seen how mmj has worked for his step-mom as a mood stabilizer. He suffers from ADD with rapid brain stimulation(RBS) his mind races on him so bad he gets easily confused, thoughts jumping from one thing to another then it may turn to anger and suicidal thoughts. He come to me about wanting to try mmj cause he states that the adderall that he takes makes him jittery and mad some times. How do we mention this to his psychiatrist do we hafta be worried about being judged as bad parents . I have a coco caps bottle that I'm going to take with me because if doc. is ok with it thats how he'll be taking it once he gets a recommendation. I also will be taking some printed material from credible web sites that I found showing how cannabis has help other patients that suffer from same thing as my son. I'm I approaching this in the right way. I'd like his doc. to be onboard with this to document how it goes before I go to medicann doc. the appointment is today at 1pm any feed back or support with this would be helpful cause I'm having a hard time thinking of it worried about possible repercussion from dept. of social services Child protective services. If he gets 215 script are they going to call me a bad parent for wanting to get my child off these harmful meds and give him a chance to have some say in his meds. I'ts his brain hes the only one that knows whats going on in there. I've set with him for several hours sometimes cause the emotional impact of sucidal thoughts. I have them and cannabis helps stop the thoughts and tears when fighting themit helps me when the fight and I feel that it could help him with a lot . Not only does he suffer from ADD but from PTSD. him and his older sister were abused by their bio-mom and her husband so bad the N.c. state bureau of investigation were involve. I still don't know what all happen to them. It's been 6 yrs and he's still having problems . please help me with this. or at least a few supportive words or prayers we need them. Thanks

[onecrazyfoo]

Only a good parent would go to the lengths that you are willing to go for your child to make him feel and be the best that he can be...I cant say that I know what youre going through but if you've done your research and your comfortable with at least trying something new...what have you got to lose?If I were you I'd feel better about trying an all natural alternative as opposed to all the CRAP these doctors are willing to pump your child full of with risking side affects of a different nature as well as making him feel jittery and mad...thats just awful,how can feeling like that make you happy or better for that matter?I really hope your sons doctor is somewhat open minded about the matter...but remember... only you know whats best for YOURE child.

[creeper]

Thanks for the support. I'll post here today after 3pm cali. time to let all know how his doc. responded. Hope it will help other parents going through the same thing to realize they're not alone. And if other parents have question maybe we can start a support group or community In this forum for us.

[shecky7]

good luck, it seems that mood disorders pay no attention to age why should doctors prescribing meds? Hope all works out well for your son.

[BrattonBasher]

Good luck to you with your son. You are in a tough spot. There is no lawful way to administer MMJ to a child. There is no known scientific way to administer a measured dose to your child. Anyone who tells you there is would be mistaken. There are too many factors in strain/strength to come up with a measured dose. Good for you that you are a proactive parent, but you will be met with FLACK for this idea.

[tokermom]

Everything you say makes perfect sence to other mmj patients. Unfortunatly, there is a huge part of the general population who might not understand this. We come across the stereo-type & judgement as adults over our choice of medicine. I agree with you & can tell you are a concerned parent, who is listening to their childs needs. None of us want to be on pharmacuticals, the side effects are felt by every age group. Hopefully, this Doc is knowledgeable & supports your reasons. Praying this goes well for your son & you & your family.

[NJM]

Adderall is a powerful stimulant. Jitters and a mood change indicate that he's taking too much at once. I would suggest discontinuing the usage of that stuff.

It may be tough, but things will work out in the end. Hope you both well.

[Kushy420]

Take a look at this video and maybe watch it with your current doctor. I wish you and your son all the best.

[IndioVicente]

I used to work at a mental health clinic for several years and many minors going through there had the same problems, and the doctors were never in favor of mmj, especially to a minor. Instead, they would prescribe a bunch of medication with bad side effects, a healthy diet, and a multi-vitamin. The only prescribable form of THC is marinol. But then again, a couple of those doctors' opinions (off record) did believe mmj could benefit the mental health community, but of course officially they don't observe those opinions. Also, there is a law protecting patients health information, HIPAA (http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/index.html) a doctor or healthcare employee cannot divulge patient information, including to law enforcement officials, unless requested by the court or if the patient is in such critical condition they will hurt themselves. That was one issue we had to alway uphold when working at mental health.

Well, I hope the information helps you out. Good luck.

[superface13]

I hope all goes well. You are a wonderful parent who cares for the well being of your child. Unfortunately, the healthcare field is slow to accept cannabis as medicine. My psychiatrist kept telling me that cannabis is bad because there's no way to know of purity or dosage....blah blah blah. These guys say that the poison they peddle for depression/anxiety is better because they know exactly what's in each individual pill......ya.....poison!!!! There has never been a documented case of cannabis poisoning yet they try to scares us away from it saying we don't know what's in it. They fight regulating it and then tell us to stay away because it's not regulated.

Thanks for fighting for your child

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by superface13

I hope all goes well. You are a wonderful parent who cares for the well being of your child. Unfortunately, the healthcare field is slow to accept cannabis as medicine. My psychiatrist kept telling me that cannabis is bad because there's no way to know of purity or dosage....blah blah blah. These guys say that the poison they peddle for depression/anxiety is better because they know exactly what's in each individual pill......ya.....poison!!!! There has never been a documented case of cannabis poisoning yet they try to scares us away from it saying we don't know what's in it. They fight regulating it and then tell us to stay away because it's not regulated.

Thanks for fighting for your child

The dosage issue is a huge one, and your psychiatrist is right on the button about it, which is a little refreshing. You sound like you have a sharp M.D. When you are dealing with children, you have the parents bias to deal with as well. If little Johnny has a good day, you will think the dose is just right. If Johnny has a bad day, well mommy and daddy might want to up the dose. One batch might be real strong, and the next one not so strong. Maybe mommy is the one having the bad day, maybe not. Inexact doses of any medicine is bad, but gets amplified when you are dealing with children. Maybe MMJ can really help some children, but maybe not. Nobody truly knows, and nobody has legally tried.

[kennabis]

the first place you should/could start, is diet. no sugar or stimulants , at age 12 yeah right... also enviroment could have something to do his behavior i.e. power lines, cell towers, music, video games and television, or, all of the above..!!!

get him off the grid first, then think about cannabis. i know alot of succesful people who started experimenting with cannabis around 12-13 years of age, but if you don't get to the root of his dis-ease, cannabis will be masking, just like any other substance you would try to use.

keep it natural, keep it real...
best wishes to you and yours

p.s. yoga and meditation is medicine

[kushguy101]

Adderall and marijuana dont mix that well it's the same as basically say meth and weed. Each person handles it differently. I didnt like it i suggest discontinue Adderall before any mmj. But always follow dr recomendations.

[creeper]

I just typed a big post and lost it .Heres how it went in short. my son and doc talked. son explained how these thought are effecting him . doc offered more risperdale from 3mg to 4mg . son asked about MMJ and explained why. doc explain how it would effect his job so can't support that idea on the record . off the record he gave me the records i need for recommendation and told me he was unfamiliar with drug inter action with mmj. wants to be kept informed . if something legal comes up he will not know what I'm talking about. we've been seeing this doc. for 3 yrs .he said that he trusted our decision and off record is there if needed. give dose on saturday so he dont have school next day to find dosage told him we'll start with a tea first. he's going to read up on it more and see if he can find any research with cannabis, adderall , risperdal if he finds anything of concern he'll call me , he wants the prescribed meds to stay the same but willing to reduce them if their is a positive out come .everything has to stay off record with him thats how it went in short I feel that we built a better relation ship with the doc. he knows that we show trust in him and he gives it in return with off the record support.
my sons med at this time
adderall xr 25mg in morn
adderall xr 10mg at lunch
risperdal 3mg
hope this helps other parents that are scared to talk to there doc but remember every doc is different and we' been seeing him for 3 yrs we have establishing a trustful relationship to talk about these thing. I would have asked this in the first year.

[ps-med]

Good luck and I really hope that it helps. Glad to hear that your Doctor is not dismissive about the possibility of MMJ. Personally I have concerns with a child on any medication, but I figure MMJ is probably safer in the long term than pharmaceuticals.

Keep us posted.

[BrattonBasher]

Good luck to you. I'm 48 and have been using MJ for 32 years and I still have no regular and measureable dose regimen. Sometimes I need more, sometimes less. Sometimes it puts me to sleep, sometimes it stimulates me. Sometimes my tolerance seems huge, sometimes one hit does it for me.

[kushguy101]

You are a very caring mother, i only hope to stand up for my child half as much as you, in my entire life

I hope everything works out for you. There's nothing worse than seeing someone you love going through an illness. Hopefully the mmj help him.

[MadRiverTurtle]

We've received complaints about us allowing this thread as our TOS states no discussion of illegal activity. I'm willing to allow this thread to stay open as it does pertain to this site's subject matter and I feel that this is a valid topic for discussion. With that being said, no one here should assume that Wter or Dogpatch Media condones the illegal use of MMJ by children.

[ps-med]

Originally Posted by MadRiverTurtle

With that being said, no one here should assume that Wter or Dogpatch Media condones the illegal use of MMJ by children.

I would hope that no one is condoning the illegal use of any drug (medical, herbal, pharmaceutical) by children. Children have enough to worry about without using substances illegally.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by ps-med

I would hope that no one is condoning the illegal use of any drug (medical, herbal, pharmaceutical) by children. Children have enough to worry about without using substances illegally.

I agree with you 100%. Children are a special catagory because it is the parents who advocate for them. I have 2 at home. But I also respect the OP because he comes from love.

[tokermom]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

I agree with you 100%. Children are a special catagory because it is the parents who advocate for them. I have 2 at home. But I also respect the OP because he comes from love.

I know this is very controversial & I respect MRT for allowing this topic to be discussed here. I know there are readers' out there just shaking their heads & wondering how someone could even think of letting their child use mmj. I'am a parent of 2 grown children. I have seen both adults & children on the drugs creepers 12 year old is taking. The side-effects, both short & long term are not pleasant & sometimes unbearable. Some of these drugs change the patients personality so much, they don't seem like the same person. Why, as a society, can we accept the drugs our Dr. prescribes without hesitation, yet, mmj is not an option when it comes right down to it.
The Dr.s' hesitation to even consider the idea fits right into the pattern. I believe more doctors would be willing to work mmj into their practices if not for the feds.
Until everyones mind set changes, mmj will remain a mystery to the general population who do not understand it's place in our medical world. If we are too afraid to talk to our doctors & they are scared to talk about it, for fear of losing their jobs, nothing will change. How will we change this? Speak up!! Just like creeper did. Tell your doc what helps- if he/she doesen't accept what you are saying, then at least, be truthful & honest about your use. The more cases your doc hears of their patients lives improving from mmj, then the more accepting & knowledgable they will become. I commend creepers for being brave enough to SPEAK UP!! Wishing you & your son much love & peace!

[creeper]

I'm sorry if I upset some of the members here . some of my info came from the links from this web site about MMJ and ADD,PTSD and children. my son has been on a lot of diff. meds some that were offered in past,lithium depokote, and electro convulsive therapy. I dont know about some parents but I dont know about the EST thats scarry for me I couldn't see my son strapped to electricity and shocking his brain.my son talks to me with want going on with him so I feel comfortable with our choice . if anyone has info on drug interaction with MMJ risperdal and adderall please let me know. this wasn't even a thought till he brought it up and I started researching and it sounds safer than some of our other choices. he was abused by his bio mom and her hubby 7 yrs ago it was bad enough that the North carolina SBI was involved.I'm not going into details . he has a councilor and psychiatrist. the psy is the one that gave me the med records for a MMJ recommendation . he's also the one that offered depekote and discussed EST. we are not doing anything or plan to do anything illegal all of this will be under doc. supervision . I've stayed up with him several nights fighting the suicidle thought that play like movies in his head untill he gets migraine tell me you would let your child go thru this I'm not. I love my 5 kids I dont want any of them going threw this but he is and I'm going to help him the safest way possible. thanks for the feed back from all and if you dont feel I'm doing the right thing please post if you have medical evidence to back your feelings I am more than happy to read on this subject more before we go threw with this. thank you guys for listening this was and still is a hard decision . and I hope no parent and child has to go threw what we have.

[creeper]

I think I forgot to mention that we live in california now. I've spoke with medicann and they said that being his caretaker for MMJ was perfectly legal. if anyone has info. showing different let me know I don't want to break any state laws.

[wallawalla]

I myself would be extremely careful as DCFS is federaly funded and do usually follow federal guide lines I know this from experience. I have been dealing with DCFS since July 08 and continue to until Apr 09. I have enlightened them to alot of the facts of MMJ, but they are still following federal guide lines at most locations. As alot of patients on this sight know we even did a Food And Toy drive for DCFS so we aremoving in the right direction. I myself have kids with ADHD and RBS!! Just be very careful as to what you do and keep it very low key!!!

[ps-med]

Originally Posted by creeper

I think I forgot to mention that we live in california now. I've spoke with medicann and they said that being his caretaker for MMJ was perfectly legal. if anyone has info. showing different let me know I don't want to break any state laws.

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