[Mother Chucker]

This statement I will make here is definitly in my own self interest but also my real opinion ....

if any of this is true and will happen patients should stock up on seeds and clones to be prepared to go on in a self sustaining way.

Not everyone can but those that can should be prepared.

[tanja]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomer

Unfortunately, this is ALL the public sees.

One of my friends that knows I'm a patient, called and that is what they got out of the press conference, the douche bag lighting up, the dirty looking stoner who lit up.

IMO, just another "Knucklehead" interfering with my safe access.



Back on topic,

Don't forget to make your contacts, today, please.

exactly what boomer said. That guy is a big part of the problem.

[cephas]

What part of "best behavior" means smoking in public?

Look, all BS aside, I smoke in public. I have taken road trips to Vegas smoking the entire way. One time me and some friends hot boxed a Vegas hotel room to the point where we were making the hallway foggy. I have parked my car in LEO parking lots with meds and a pipe inside. I have walked into stores with sacks in my pocket,pulling out the sack accidentally when I pulled out my money, looked at the clerk and made a joke. Regularly I walk into the store, look down and realize there is a small nug stuck to the front of my shirt. I have done these things and more.

Am I stupid sometimes? Hell yeah. Am I a prude? Ha! That is funny!

Regardless I can see how dumb it is to light up at a protest, a demonstration, where people are trying to show that MJ smokers are law abiding and responsible citizens, and deserve the protection, not harassment by, the law and it's enforcers.

No attacks on that guy, at least he showed up. I didn't. Just that makes him better than me.

Nonetheless, I hope he, and others, can see that what he did while there did not help the movement, and will learn to not behave like that again. That is what happened to me, I realized the behavior is harmful, makes us all look bad, so I have stopped, a while ago now....

[socal2wheelsguy]

I will be donating campaign funds to any political candidate who runs against Cooley, Trutanich, or Councilman Zine. I encourage all those who can afford to do so to join me. We need to punish politicians who seek to deny the people's will based on technicalities.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by socal2wheelsguy

I will be donating campaign funds to any political candidate who runs against Cooley, Trutanich, or Councilman Zine. I encourage all those who can afford to do so to join me. We need to punish politicians who seek to deny the people's will based on technicalities.

Make sure and call them and tell them!!!! Then write letters to each one, plus all the rest of the City Council.

[salazarcorp]

Originally Posted by Justonevoice

GLACA did not get pissed that he came to a (A Meeting) hell I am the one that let him in the door. Truth be told we did not want non-operators in the meeting and there was only one of those.

love ya lenny , I know your hearts in right place.

not going to argue but I dont have a reason to lie.

its not something im bragging about or trying to get rep points.

this is a time for patients to act like "activists" they should all be...

protests in the past , that I have been a part of are very segmented and grassroots organic protests are looked down from corporate non profits that have created themselves.

I'm sure all of you have good intentions, but collectives as they are , are business's and maybe that wasnt the intent of the law.

but with the black market that exsists for non medical product , the economic reality when security and risks comes into play , the collective model at its truest form is not a VIABLE BUSINESS.

if access to medicine in a SAFE manner is ever going to happen....

you have to legalize it. and end the black market.

or give patients the next best solution and leave them alone.

with the new approach it would seem to me , everone in california is being given the GREEN light to grow there own.

[salazarcorp]

I love zine's line , " a few are legal."

Would this just happen to be the ones you've been working with?

What is the definition of a legal collective in zine's opinion?

of course the ones he is familar with. the one he knows the owners of.

just because you dont have a relationship with the councilman doesnt mean you should be shut down.

If we see a selective enforcement.

we all know whats going on...

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by salazarcorp

I love zine's line , " a few are legal."

Would this just happen to be the ones you've been working with?

What is the definition of a legal collective in zine's opinion?

of course the ones he is familar with. the one he knows the owners of.

just because you dont have a relationship with the councilman doesnt mean you should be shut down.

If we see a selective enforcement.

we all know whats going on...

Zine used to be a friend of MMJ. I am saddened by his turnaround. Many old WT veterans warned me about him. I guess they were right.

[Justonevoice]

You can bet if they are successful at closing all collectives in LA that other cities will follow the lead.

[DankJews]

Is There Anyway Of Proving Prop215 And/Or Senate Bill420 Unconstitutional As I Believe The Way The Law Was Written Can Lead To Self-Incriminate Oneself Which Would Then Violate Your Fifth Ammendment Rights? I Am Not Sure If This Is Something That Can Be Used In Any Way, Uhh I Am No Legal Representative But Would Sure Love To Learn!

Fill Me In Please, Thanks!

.:Stay Medicated:.

[Markit8]

Originally Posted by Smilodon

Thank you, Mr. Linder. When the history is written your name will be writ large.

Big-time - Smilodon, you hit the nail on the head - this was extremely valuable info. Thanks for taking the time to inform everyone here. You have done a huge service to anyone who reads this.

This type of knowledge is extremely valuable for patients as well as owners and employees. We cant have a well structured regulatory system where the patients don't/can't understand the inner workings of collectives/coops and the legal system that both supports them and knocks them down.

I recently responded to a post regarding someone getting in trouble on BLM land with a bong. He was quick to take the stance of a victim, as if he wasn't responsible for acquiring the knowledge of where he was located and how that might conflict with the federal/state legality issue. What I found funny was that he knew very well what the DOJ regulations are for transporting a firearm. How are the two pieces of knowledge any different?

The point I'm getting at is that many patients believe that they are entitled to their ignorance. Because MMJ is "legal" in CA, they think they don't/shouldn't have to worry about becoming informed about the intricacies and nuances associated with being as "legal" a patient as possible.

If you knowing the rules and following them perfectly makes you a responsible gun owner, why do the same standards not apply to MMJ patients...

[weedtracker]

Based on what Ive seen over the last 5 years, this threat is no different than any of the others the community has faced. When the DEA sent out the landlord letters, what happened? A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. LA raided a whole bunch of places a few months later, what happened? A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. Skip a head a few years and a half-dozen raids, and we get what recently happened in San Diego.. A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. So whats going to happen now with LA saying that everybody is illegal? A few people will close, a few people will move, and everybody else pretty much nothing will happen.

[ShiningSkull]

Your post to God's forum, weedtracker.

[eclipse]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

Based on what Ive seen over the last 5 years, this threat is no different than any of the others the community has faced. When the DEA sent out the landlord letters, what happened? A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. LA raided a whole bunch of places a few months later, what happened? A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. Skip a head a few years and a half-dozen raids, and we get what recently happened in San Diego.. A few people closed, a few people moved, and everybody else pretty much nothing happened. So whats going to happen now with LA saying that everybody is illegal? A few people will close, a few people will move, and everybody else pretty much nothing will happen.

History has always been a good indicator of the future...but I think this time the rules have changed and what was up is now down, what was in is now out, what was right is now wrong.

[studlysemite]

The way I see it, is this "big announcement" is part of their strategy to save money reducing the number of outlets to achieve a political end game for the DA.

Of course there are too many dispensaries. Every news outlet in the rest of the country is reporting about L.A. becoming like Amsterdam. Even I would agree with that the unregulated industry is shady. Many people running outlets are cool, and some are one step away from the "underground"/illegal trade.

Of course it would take untolds manpower/resources to shut down 800 or whatever number of outlets there are. Not to mention they have to EVIDENCE to prosecute.... herein lies the major problem -- juries will not even prosecute these guys! All the cops can do is smash and grab. That has not been an effective policy -- it is a whack-a-mole policy.

A better solution from the DA's office which is cost effective,. is to scare a large portion of them into going out of business. That is Cooley's strategy. This grandstanding also appeals to his cops/L.E. organizations and rich-bitch donators and supporters are probably bugging him at cocktail parties to "do something about the evil marijuana outlets on my block selling to punk kids!!!" (i.e. otherwise I won't support your re-election)

Let's write and protest against this blowhard... and shame the shit out of these LA County/City Council people for going after patients.... But also let's push for the 2010 cannabis amendment and getting that passed. This is the nuclear bomb which will wipe away these lame political games.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by BabyBoomer

Unfortunately, this is ALL the public sees.

I agree and remember one thing... "Perception is Reality" to people.

That's just the way it works..

Whether it's the entertainment business or this...

[Booradley420]

Originally Posted by Mother Chucker

This statement I will make here is definitly in my own self interest but also my real opinion ....

if any of this is true and will happen patients should stock up on seeds and clones to be prepared to go on in a self sustaining way.

Not everyone can but those that can should be prepared.

If we did this and started forming "collectives" between us to trade amongst patients, wouldn't we in fact be within the law?

But what if we didn't want the associated risk of bringing MM into the home? For those that have kids, or kids that could easily break into a backyard and snatch a plant. Or the fire, mold, and water damage danger of growing in your home. We would be forced to rent a space to grow at our expense... At that point wouldn't it be appropriate to allow non-growers into our group and give them medicine for a donation (in increments proportionate to keep it running)? Wouldn't this also be within the law?

Isn't this what is happening now? And if so, what next?

Could this just be a true way to force us into a corner only to come back out with an update bill? Maybe we should consider some of the points being made.

Couldn't we create a bill and seek input and sponsorship from the collectives? Not to mention input from Chuck. A bill that would include a way to test the potentcy of MM and test for adverse health conditions that could be harmful to our health. I would definitely be concerned if I were smoking mold...

Just some food for thought.

Boooradley

[Pico Collective]

Originally Posted by studlysemite

A better solution from the DA's office which is cost effective,. is to scare a large portion of them into going out of business. That is Cooley's strategy. This grandstanding also appeals to his cops/L.E. organizations and rich-bitch donators and supporters are probably bugging him at cocktail parties to "do something about the evil marijuana outlets on my block selling to punk kids!!!" (i.e. otherwise I won't support your re-election)

I couldn't agree with you more !! It's the fastest way and it can kill many birds with one stone. Then see who is left standing and if it's not too many and no one complaints well...leave them alone.

The city attorney obviously wanted us all to know about the lunch yesterday...they could have made it a secret to throw people off but they went public...really public to get everyone's attention to create FEAR and cause people to close by themselves. I have to admit it's the fastest way to achieve as many closures as possible...If you close voluntarily you have no lawsuit against city so it saves money as well. The question now is will they raid or just file suits and when.

My guess if they raid they will go after the largest collectives first as they have higher chances of collecting more evidence I.E. cash and medicine.

Hard to justify a raid when your yield is 1 pound and five hundred dollars. Would be more embarrassing then anything else. Walking out with 50 pounds of meds and 100k would be more justifiable. But Im purely speculating.

PC

[HighgradeWilly562]

How will LA County eradicate an economy the state created?
215 introduced massive numbers of people to MMJ, people that never thought of using cannabis before the introduction of this law. These people have now found an alternative to prescription medication and have decided to use it, they don't see going to a dispensary illegal.
How can the city attorney all of a sudden tell them they can no longer use these services and have to find a "true & legal" collective in order for the be law abiding citizens. Will he give these patients a list of "legal" collectives?
is there enough of these to supply the large numbers of patients that need this medicine?
What they would like to see is more people in court facing prosecution for marijuana. That way there colleagues get more money, the rehabs get more money and to the mainstream public it will look like they are doing a good job locking up criminals.
By the way did anyone catch the story of the guy in Lake Elsinore that blew up his hand making expolsives (er, butane extracted oil) in his garage? They found a grow in the house which was also a registered daycare center.
They are going to use the media to make MMJ look bad, I believe it's only just begun.

[ScrewyLewy]

I hope it is just a scare tactic like the landlord letters. I really don't see the city defending itself spending money we don't have to take safe access away from so many qualified patients.

[darlingcyrano]

Originally Posted by socal2wheelsguy

I will be donating campaign funds to any political candidate who runs against Cooley, Trutanich, or Councilman Zine. I encourage all those who can afford to do so to join me. We need to punish politicians who seek to deny the people's will based on technicalities.

People supported Trutanich, and see what happened. I don't trust politicians anymore.

Why is City Council still sitting on their arses? They could have done something sooo long ago, and now, the criminal justice figures are getting involved, because Council could not take control.

I remember when I used to reside in LA and Councilman Garcetti was running for office. My parents even opened our home to him and hosted a campaign event for him to come, meet some of the community, and collect campaign donations over coffee and pastries. He was elected, and that same "youngin'" in the City Council now sits as Council President. Can he not steer his herd in the right direction?

His father is the former DA for Christ's sake... Not that Gil Garcetti was that great of a DA, but we're likely to get more support from left-wing political figures.

I'm hurt -- they f* over the SAME people who work selflessly to get them in office.

I WOULD THINK -- with how DIVERSE our City Council is, that they would UNDERSTAND how stereotypes and profiling are wrong. They are sitting back and ALLOWING law enforcement to be monsters and profile patients and operators to be criminals.

Instead, they'll wear their cheap suit and "look" important. I don't know if a recall will work. Trutanich can suck it... Cooley has held office for a while, as well as Zine and company. I just want to know what happens next. I'm sad.

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[darlingcyrano]

Originally Posted by ScrewyLewy

I hope it is just a scare tactic like the landlord letters. I really don't see the city defending itself spending money we don't have to take safe access away from so many qualified patients.

I really don't know how budgets and funding work, so I could be totally wrong as to where and how money is allocated. Lawsuits and the City is one thing. But now we're dealing with the corrupt LAPD. What do the narcs have in their banks? Stealing from--err, I mean, Raiding-- collectives, taking the medicine and putting it where? Feeding the street dealers in the black market with whom they have a relationship with? Putting it back on the street so they can in turn bust more people to earn another Gold Star on their bulletin board? That scenario crosses my mind. For a while now, they couldn't do anything about it.... now, they are hungry to be cowboys.

[Juba]

Originally Posted by darlingcyrano

I really don't know how budgets and funding work, so I could be totally wrong as to where and how money is allocated. Lawsuits and the City is one thing. But now we're dealing with the corrupt LAPD. What do the narcs have in their banks? Stealing from--err, I mean, Raiding-- collectives, taking the medicine and putting it where? Feeding the street dealers in the black market with whom they have a relationship with? Putting it back on the street so they can in turn bust more people to earn another Gold Star on their bulletin board? That scenario crosses my mind. For a while now, they couldn't do anything about it.... now, they are hungry to be cowboys.

I think LE was waiting till citizen complaints reached a level where they feel they have sufficient justification and public support to shut down most dispensaries. Now that the decision has been made, they will come down very hard in order to make a big splash in the media and to get their narrative across that dispensaries are just a cover for common drug dealing.

[ShiningSkull]

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

Number one it is NOT his right to medicate in public...no more than you can drink beer in public.
I was told about this guy yesterday being interviewed...

Of course the TV crews will zoom in on this fool when he looks like he does and lights up in public.

He kind of stood out there... anyone ever think he was a plant put there to make the protesters look bad? I did....

D. got this photo of the guy. I didn't even want to post it. Anybody know him?