[Evades]

Just a thought but are we shooting ourselves in the foot by toeing the line that all dispensaries are legal? That none of the marijuana sold has undesired pesticides? That none of the coops are out for just the money? That all patients with medical prescriptions have a legitimate reason? That those that oppose prescription marijuana are all liars, cheats, and others names attributed to them?

People are polarized and we need to have a normal discourse and debate on the merits, IMHO.

I believe we lose our moral standing and power when we do not acknowledge some of what we know is true.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[BrattonBasher]

None of our leaders are foolish enough to think things are just peachy. I think you are referring to some Trackers who argue against any government action or inaction.

[DLOTTE]

Originally Posted by Evades

Just a thought but are we shooting ourselves in the foot by toeing the line that all dispensaries are legal? That none of the marijuana sold has undesired pesticides? That none of the coops are out for just the money? That all patients with medical prescriptions have a legitimate reason? That those that oppose prescription marijuana are all liars, cheats, and others names attributed to them?

People are polarized and we need to have a normal discourse and debate on the merits, IMHO.

I believe we lose our moral standing and power when we do not acknowledge some of what we know is true.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

i agree with you whole heartedly to this point. there needs to be some self intervention before the big hammer gets them all???? due to a few shops."They are all profiled". it's a sad shame..
I dont think we should help any enforcement other than our own, "$.02"

[wallawalla]

This will piss off some people, but part the problem is pre-icos and post icos. Come on we went from 187 pre icos then approximately 600 to 700 post icos and LA is looking at it as a slap in the face. So we did not regulate ourselves and now they will and it is going to hurt the mmj industry bad. Alot are just in it for the $$$ I have seen it !!! That is one reason I am no longer a volunteer. It is a bad situation the doctors are not helping either by handing recs. out like it is just a piece of paper. So do you all think regulating is necessary? It is not just a few bad apples it is a bunch!!

[Evades]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

I think you are referring to some Trackers who argue against any government action or inaction.

I am. But what made me post this was reading the petition thread. The petition, IMHO, ASA:Online Action Center , is so vague as to imply that they should just stop doing their jobs because it deals with medical marijuana. Sending that petition to me does not do the cause any favors.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[BrattonBasher]

Yeah Walla, several are in it for the money, most in fact. But the politicians are way overreacting. The model they are pushing will probably only allow a small percentage of patients get convienient and safe access.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by Evades

I am. But what made me post this was reading the petition thread. The petition, IMHO, ASA:Online Action Center , is so vague as to imply that they should just stop doing their jobs because it deals with medical marijuana. Sending that petition to me does not do the cause any favors.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

ASA has consistently lobbied for reasonable regulations. This petition is a reaction, not a policy directive IMHO. Sign it if you agree, and don't if you disagree.

[Evades]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

The model they are pushing will probably only allow a small percentage of patients get convienient and safe access.

I heard in one of the youtube postings that they believe that only two percent of the prescriptions written were legit under 215. That is absurd, we all know. From your opinion, would you or anyone else be willing to put a percent on it. I wouldn't know where to figure it from. I guess that is part of the problem. We cannot identify what a legit prescription would be. I do not think it works that, if a doctor writes it, it is legit.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[wallawalla]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

Yeah Walla, several are in it for the money, most in fact. But the politicians are way overreacting. The model they are pushing will probably only allow a small percentage of patients get convienient and safe access.

The sad part is if we do not regulate we will be left with no storefronts, only to grow our own! They are overreacting and they are going to make our lives hell because of bad apples and them delaying the processes of hardships which opened anyways. We have a meeting here in Lancaster tonight about regulating before allowing to open!!

[Evades]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

ASA has consistently lobbied for reasonable regulations. This petition is a reaction, not a policy directive IMHO. Sign it if you agree, and don't if you disagree.

Of course, I support ASA. It seems when we start talking about this subject, the response is you agree or don't agree. My intent here is to discuss without the need to agree or disagree. Define, discuss and then decide has been my way of working out a problem.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[Evades]

Originally Posted by wallawalla

We have a meeting here in Lancaster tonight about regulating before allowing to open!!

Please let us know how it comes out.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[MotherEarthCo-op]

Originally Posted by Evades

I heard in one of the youtube postings that they believe that only two percent of the prescriptions written were legit under 215. That is absurd, we all know. From your opinion, would you or anyone else be willing to put a percent on it. I wouldn't know where to figure it from. I guess that is part of the problem. We cannot identify what a legit prescription would be. I do not think it works that, if a doctor writes it, it is legit.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

I don't think a youtube post is a good source for valid info,its nobodys business to try and figure out what recs are legit and what is not,when the words "any other illness for which marijuana provides relief " (norml takes credit for that wording)was added to prop 215,that opened the doors for doctors to recommend marijuana for any illness for which marijuana provides relief,that means any illness regardless of how you think your illness is more serious than the next person,that wording made marijuana available to anybody that reaches for a bottle of advil

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by Evades

I heard in one of the youtube postings that they believe that only two percent of the prescriptions written were legit under 215. That is absurd, we all know. From your opinion, would you or anyone else be willing to put a percent on it. I wouldn't know where to figure it from. I guess that is part of the problem. We cannot identify what a legit prescription would be. I do not think it works that, if a doctor writes it, it is legit.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

My opinion is the wording of P215 allows essentially anyone who can convince a doctor that MJ helps them is allowed a rec. That is the reason so many folks have recs. While I see no harm in allowing for a liberal translation of that, there will come a time when that must be addressed, maybe this round. It's hard to be critical of MMJ doctors, who are only following P215, but at the same time some folks are getting recs too easy.

[Evades]

Originally Posted by MotherEarthCo-op

I don't think a youtube post is a good source for valid info,its nobodys business to try and figure out what recs are legit and what is not,when the words "any other illness for which marijuana provides relief " (norml takes credit for that wording)was added to prop 215,that opened the doors for doctors to recommend marijuana for any illness for which marijuana provides relief,that means any illness regardless of how you think your illness is more serious than the next person,that wording made marijuana available to anybody that reaches for a bottle of advil

IMHO, simply because a door is opened does not mean that it will stay open or is rightfully opened. Your points about "nobody's business" is well received but is part of the problem not part of the solution. There is no standard for what marijuana will assist with and to say that any prescription is legit does not help the situation. It only provides the opposition with firepower as virtually anyone can now get the prescription.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[Evades]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

My opinion is the wording of P215 allows essentially anyone who can convince a doctor that MJ helps them is allowed a rec. That is the reason so many folks have recs. While I see no harm in allowing for a liberal translation of that, there will come a time when that must be addressed, maybe this round. It's hard to be critical of MMJ doctors, who are only following P215, but at the same time some folks are getting recs too easy.

I agree. I do not know about the allowing a liberal translation but we must leave it up to the doctors. No one else can control it as they are the only ones that can write a prescription.

I have not read any concerns, movement, or other ideas as to the doctors involved. Has anyone else? You would think that some agency such as the AMA or other doctor agency would have taken a stance on it.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[wallawalla]

Originally Posted by MotherEarthCo-op

I don't think a youtube post is a good source for valid info,its nobodys business to try and figure out what recs are legit and what is not,when the words "any other illness for which marijuana provides relief " (norml takes credit for that wording)was added to prop 215,that opened the doors for doctors to recommend marijuana for any illness for which marijuana provides relief,that means any illness regardless of how you think your illness is more serious than the next person,that wording made marijuana available to anybody that reaches for a bottle of advil

I wonder how many of the doctors writing the recs see normal patients also, I know my reg doctor reccomended mmj for me! Most docs. are in it for the $$$
folks need to realize we need changes before it is gone!

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by wallawalla

I wonder how many of the doctors writing the rcs see normal patients also, I know my reg doctor reccomended mmj for me! Most docs. are in it for the $$$
folks need to realize we need changes before it is gone!

The vast majority are MMJ specialists. Doctors are getting raped by insurance companies, so being a MMJ doctor is an easier way to make a living these days for alot of doctors. Being a MMJ doctor is a cash business without the headaches of dealing with for-profit insurance companies and government run plans.

[Evades]

Originally Posted by wallawalla

I wonder how many of the doctors writing the rcs see normal patients also, I know my reg doctor reccomended mmj for me! Most docs. are in it for the $$$
folks need to realize we need changes before it is gone!

Good question about other patients. Here is an interesting article about one particular doctor.

Is California's biggest pot doctor breaking the medical marijuana rules? - 5/08/09 - San Francisco News - abc7news.com

Have a Great Day,

Evades

[MotherEarthCo-op]

Originally Posted by Evades

IMHO, simply because a door is opened does not mean that it will stay open or is rightfully opened. Your points about "nobody's business" is well received but is part of the problem not part of the solution. There is no standard for what marijuana will assist with and to say that any prescription is legit does not help the situation. It only provides the opposition with firepower as virtually anyone can now get the prescription.

Have a Great Day,

Evades

the standard is the doctor recommends it and you see if it works ,its pefectly safe and you cannot OD,you are right about the opposition that wording approved by voters is what scares politicians the most they know it allows marijuana to be recommended legally to almost anyone,the only way to change it is by a vote of the people and I don't see that happening,next year we will be voting for full legalization

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by MotherEarthCo-op

the standard is the doctor recommends it and you see if it works ,its pefectly safe and you cannot OD,you are right about the opposition that wording approved by voters is what scares politicians the most they know it allows marijuana to be recommended legally to almost anyone,the only way to change it is by a vote of the people and I don't see that happening,next year we will be voting for full legalization

Not really. People going in for MMJ recs are already users for the most part,the rec allows for safe access. Before I got my rec I had no idea they could be had so easy, I was prepared to actually prove need.

[studlysemite]

NO - no time to feel guilty. 1. The public supports medical marijuana by a majority 2. The public supports legal access 3. The public is against crime/robberies/gangsters.

The law as written is loose an ambiguous. This provides a lot of room for broad interpretations and grey areas.

It's been 5 years since storefront dispenceries appeared and the LA City Council/DA has failed to come up with regulations like other cities in the Bay Area. The ICO thing has been a disaster/joke.

To mask their incompetence in front of their constituents, Villaraigosa's city council, Cooley, et al have been forced to make bombastic statements like "we're shutting them all down!!!", "they're all ILLEGAL!!!" and "they have pesticides!!" It looks good to the press and fat cat donors (i.e. the narcotics and police groups who will support their re-election)

But really this is all a face-saving game for the press by these politicians who have failed to act in line with what the public wants.

[washgirl]

My son was just sentenced to 120 days for possesion of canibis concentrate! Just dropped all MMJ charges because he has his card, but concentrates are NOT legal...so if your coop sells them...it is functioning illegally...simple as that. And as long as they carry them...they should not cry when they get raided....(just my two cents)

[wallawalla]

Originally Posted by washgirl

My son was just sentenced to 120 days for possesion of canibis concentrate! Just dropped all MMJ charges because he has his card, but concentrates are NOT legal...so if your coop sells them...it is functioning illegally...simple as that. And as long as they carry them...they should not cry when they get raided....(just my two cents)

what kind of concentrate was it??

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by washgirl

My son was just sentenced to 120 days for possesion of canibis concentrate! Just dropped all MMJ charges because he has his card, but concentrates are NOT legal...so if your coop sells them...it is functioning illegally...simple as that. And as long as they carry them...they should not cry when they get raided....(just my two cents)

Only butane based concentrates are illegal as far as I know.

[contract.dude]

Originally Posted by washgirl

My son was just sentenced to 120 days for possesion of canibis concentrate! Just dropped all MMJ charges because he has his card, but concentrates are NOT legal...so if your coop sells them...it is functioning illegally...simple as that. And as long as they carry them...they should not cry when they get raided....(just my two cents)

that's interesting is it not? the other things they sell...

good post.