[Sonny Bono]

So who here beside me is sick and tired of all of our presidential candidates on the left and right side? I don't like a single one of them... Of course I'm going to vote, I just don't feel comfortable voting for any one them... As stated in an earlier thread in this forum, I am a republican, so I will end up voting republican but I still don't feel comfortable about any of them... I sure as hell don't like any of the Democratic candidates, that's for sure... But even so, the republican candidates are terrible as well... When it all comes down to it, I'm feeling Mitt Romney, but I don't know if he'll go that far... And he's still a clown too... What the hell do you???

Is there any decent person out there who can fucking run for the President of the U.S. that's not a puppet, clown dike, douche?

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the issue? Either way, whatever party you claim, I would think that we (of all parties) can agree that there is not one good candidate on the board right now

Peace Ya'll

[airtimejunkie]

Please don't vote for Mitt Romney. The guy is a major homophobe and will continue to have medical marijuana facilities raided. He has publicly stated that he is against marijuana.

I'm also finding myself wondering who in the hell to vote for. The only one that really appeals to me at this point is Ron Paul but there are some things about him that I don't really care for. I don't trust Hillary and Obama has yet to impress me. I don't know what I'm going to do. I used to be a Democrat up until a few months ago when I changed to Independent.

It should be interesting to see what happens.

Airtime

[CannaBandit]

Ron Paul is the only one who seems willing to change things. The rest of the candidates seem to me like they are just trying to buy votes. Ron Paul is different than the rest. Please check out what he is saying. He may seem crazy at first because he's telling the truths we never hear. I never voted before and I just registered for the first time as a republican, just so I can help Ron Paul make it through the primary. He actually cured my apathy!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

[sdfriend]

Originally Posted by Sonny Bono

So who here beside me is sick and tired of all of our presidential candidates on the left and right side? I don't like a single one of them... Of course I'm going to vote, I just don't feel comfortable voting for any one them... As stated in an earlier thread in this forum, I am a republican, so I will end up voting republican but I still don't feel comfortable about any of them... I sure as hell don't like any of the Democratic candidates, that's for sure... But even so, the republican candidates are terrible as well... When it all comes down to it, I'm feeling Mitt Romney, but I don't know if he'll go that far... And he's still a clown too... What the hell do you???

Is there any decent person out there who can fucking run for the President of the U.S. that's not a puppet, clown dike, douche?

Anyway, what are your thoughts on the issue? Either way, whatever party you claim, I would think that we (of all parties) can agree that there is not one good candidate on the board right now

Peace Ya'll

Sonny i'm pretty much with you, non of the "front runners" are worth a damn for the "common man".

I implore you please, please, please, stay away from Mitt Romney, unless of course you have more than 20 Million in Cash/Stocks/Real Estate holdings and you're scared shitless of muslims. In that case he's probably your guy...

Peace!

[sicmarc]

Read about Dennis Kucinich.A smart man with good ideas and he's not a NUTJOB like you know who.

[ShivaShakti]

What does everyone think of Gravel? I hear so much less about him but I liked what I heard about him saying that about drug abuse being a public health issue not a criminal issue. Is there something I am not aware of? I was into the idea of Ron Paul but recently came across some information that changed my opinion of him.. so I am trying to find out if there is anyone else who is capable of making a positive difference in the communities/world.

[CannaBandit]

Originally Posted by ShivaShakti

I was into the idea of Ron Paul but recently came across some information that changed my opinion of him..

What was it about Ron Paul that changed your opinion? :(

[doggod]

I am not happy about any of them. however i think Rudy will be the next president. so I will harass him the get the feds out of cali, and send him all the info i can about medical marijuana.

i figure i might as well try to change the person who will run the country. mail and phone work much better than protesting, money works best though.

[sdfriend]

Originally Posted by doggod

I am not happy about any of them. however i think Rudy will be the next president. so I will harass him the get the feds out of cali, and send him all the info i can about medical marijuana.

i figure i might as well try to change the person who will run the country. mail and phone work much better than protesting, money works best though.

Rudy 9u11iani?

I dont think so...next.

Originally Posted by sdfriend

Rudy 9u11iani?

That rocks.

[sdfriend]

Originally Posted by Zelig

That rocks.

Yeah they way he exploits the attacks he really should make up bumper stickers with that stuff on on it.

:)

[doggod]

i do not like him, i just think he will win.

[Sonny Bono]

Well well well, I knew it! Nobody agress on a goshdang president... WTF!!!!! Some reasons why I like Mitt Romney and one of the most important reasons to me is healthcare reform, and imagine if MMJ one day can be seen as a medicine by the feds, well then hey, this healthcare reform can help all of us... I really haven't gotten into it because I'm too lazy right now, but come primary's and election time I'm like fucking Gung Ho America over here... Trust me you don't want to be around me I can be an asshole and very argumentative... But I think Mitt has good ideas and one of the only candidates right now tackling a national health care reform and SSI reform as well... Nobody is really focusing on those issues... Guiliani is a fuckiing blinking, bumbling idiot. McCain is a far right extremist, naive asshole... Don't know much about Ron Paul except for the fact his views seem very far fetched and seems to be a democrat posing as a republican - he has so many democratic view points, I don't get how the hell he is on the republican ticket. And don't even get me started on the Demo's, they're worse than the Repubs... Mitt is more level headed, speaks more fluently with astute answers, hasn't flip flopped back and forth and right now seems to me to be the lesser of all the evils... He's still not the right guy in my book, but when we have dimwits like this, it really makes choosing hard...

Peace

[airtimejunkie]

Originally Posted by Sonny Bono

Some reasons why I like Mitt Romney and one of the most important reasons to me is healthcare reform, and imagine if MMJ one day can be seen as a medicine by the feds, well then hey, this healthcare reform can help all of us...

This will NEVER happen with Mitt Romney as president. He has already made it VERY clear that he is against medical marijuana. How do you think MMJ is going to be seen as medicine by the feds when he is so opposed to it? Just curious.

Airtime

[DSW90049]

The really sad thing is that we have to watch all these candidates strut their stuff for nearly another year until the 2008 election. They started this one way too soon. It is so painfully clear that our top flight people simply do not run for President and we are, instead, left with this pack of also-rans imho.

Watch out for guys like Romney- I don't trust him at all. The whole list of Republicans leave me cold and the Dems are wasting a lot of political capital in the Hillary/Edwards/Obama intra-party struggle. They ought to figure out who wants to be Hillary's running mate [Richardson? Obama?] and just hunker down as a team-- she could even pick her cabinet and run as a 10 or 12 person team.

I maintain we have to hold whoever wants the support of MMJ patients strictly accountable on a promise to call off the Fed/DEA dogs and let the states play their roles as MMJ laboratories. And, we have to put pipes down and get out [and get out our friends!] and vote when the time comes!!

[Sonny Bono]

Originally Posted by airtimejunkie

This will NEVER happen with Mitt Romney as president. He has already made it VERY clear that he is against medical marijuana. How do you think MMJ is going to be seen as medicine by the feds when he is so opposed to it? Just curious.

Airtime

Hey Airtime, notice I said "one day" not "right away". If we can continue our movement and hypothetically speaking if Mitt's healthcare reform was to take place, well long after he's president, we could be getting free weed from the government say 15-20 years from now, either free, or massively subsidized. His reform is not just for his term, but for many terms and years after he's gone... It's a very serious issue we need to deal with right now, along with SSI. And the raids, it's a congress thing, not a presidential thing... Congress is run by the Demo's right now who say they will stop the DEA raids, well what the fuck, they ain't trying hard enough... Whether you vote Demo or Repub, the raids are still going to happen... Congress has the power to stop the raids, and they aren't.... So Demo's you're for raids as well, so don't give me that bullshit... I'm looking beyond this election term becuase these Candidates are all assholes... I'm looking at their policies and how it's going to affect us when they finally leave office... I think Mitt policies as of now will leave us in the best position when he leaves office... Especially the healthcare and SSI reform....

Peace

[CannaBandit]

Originally Posted by Sonny Bono

I think Mitt policies as of now will leave us in the best position when he leaves office... Especially the healthcare and SSI reform....

Peace

You sure he won't ignore you like he does this patient?

Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient--Oct. 6

[sicmarc]

Originally Posted by Sonny Bono

Hey Airtime, notice I said "one day" not "right away". If we can continue our movement and hypothetically speaking if Mitt's healthcare reform was to take place, well long after he's president, we could be getting free weed from the government say 15-20 years from now, either free, or massively subsidized. His reform is not just for his term, but for many terms and years after he's gone... It's a very serious issue we need to deal with right now, along with SSI. And the raids, it's a congress thing, not a presidential thing... Congress is run by the Demo's right now who say they will stop the DEA raids, well what the fuck, they ain't trying hard enough... Whether you vote Demo or Repub, the raids are still going to happen... Congress has the power to stop the raids, and they aren't.... So Demo's you're for raids as well, so don't give me that bullshit... I'm looking beyond this election term becuase these Candidates are all assholes... I'm looking at their policies and how it's going to affect us when they finally leave office... I think Mitt policies as of now will leave us in the best position when he leaves office... Especially the healthcare and SSI reform.... hey sonny Bono I am totally blow away that you would support mitt Romney. as an mmj user?That guy would like nothing better than to see you locked up for ten years or more.Just for smoking mmj.Not to mention he follows an insane religion.This is the same crazy thinking by our voters that got us george bush.People like you make me think,Maybe those Ron Paul supporters aren't so bad.
WAR
Peace

[sdfriend]

Originally Posted by CannaBandit

You sure he won't ignore you like he does this patient?

Gov. Mitt Romney meets a medical marijuana patient--Oct. 6

Robots cannot usually compile and respond to questions directed at them in "human" languages.

Dont be so hard on the Mittler2008 model candidate...it's the way this model was designed.

[CannaBandit]

People like you make me think, Maybe those Ron Paul supporters aren't so bad?

RON PAUL ON G4: THE LOOP

[Nailhead]

Mitt Romney is such a fake, did anybody see him in the most recent debates? He was stuttering on responding about if he believes everything in the Bible, it's obvious he is pandering to the religious right. But I'd say the best clown is Huckabee, apparently you can be a Christian minister and attack Iran, as long as you remind people you are not perfect and are only human. This effectively gives Christians an excuse to kill Iranians like we have slaughtered Iraqis over the false feeling of homeland security.

But what I really don't understand is why so many people are supporting Hillary Clinton. Apparently being married to a president gives you experience to actually be president. I still don't understand how she, of all people, can criticize Barack Obama for not having enough experience. Seems like he has more than her with what little he has.

But there is nobody I agree with on more issues than Ron Paul. Foreign policy is the most important to me since one of my best friends can be called back up by the army any time if they need him, and he (my friend) doesn't think we need to be in Iraq so why don't we have more anti-war candidates? Even most democrats won't commit to a troop withdrawal, seems like even they believe the republican assertion that Iraq somehow is connected with American security.

[CannaBandit]

Bush quietly advising Hillary Clinton, top Democrats, says new book

Sep 24, 2007 4:33 PM (68 days ago) by Bill Sammon, The Examiner

Washington, D.C. (Map, News) - President Bush is quietly providing back-channel advice to Hillary Rodham Clinton, urging her to modulate her rhetoric so she can effectively prosecute the war in Iraq if elected president.

In an interview for the new book “The Evangelical President,” White House Chief of Staff Josh Bolten said Bush has “been urging candidates: ‘Don’t get yourself too locked in where you stand right now. If you end up sitting where I sit, things could change dramatically.’ ”
Bolten said Bush wants enough continuity in his Iraq policy that “even a Democratic president would be in a position to sustain a legitimate presence there.”

“Especially if it’s a Democrat,” the chief of staff told The Examiner in his West Wing office. “He wants to create the conditions where a Democrat not only will have the leeway, but the obligation to see it out.”

To that end, the president has been sending advice, mostly through aides, aimed at preventing an abrupt withdrawal from Iraq in the event of a Democratic victory in November 2008.

“It’s different being a candidate and being the president,” Bush said in an Oval Office interview. “No matter who the president is, no matter what party, when they sit here in the Oval Office and seriously consider the effect of a vacuum being created in the Middle East, particularly one trying to be created by al Qaeda, they will then begin to understand the need to continue to support the young democracy.”

To that end, Bush is institutionalizing controversial anti-terror programs so they can be used by the next president.

“Look, I’d like to make as many hard decisions as I can make, and do a lot of the heavy lifting prior to whoever my successor is,” Bush said. “And then that person is going to have to come and look at the same data I’ve been looking at, and come to their own conclusion.”

As an example, Bush cited his detainee program, which allows him to keep enemy combatants imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay while they await adjudication. Bush is unmoved by endless criticism of the program because he says his successor will need it.

“I specifically talked about it so that a candidate and/or president wouldn’t have to deal with the issue,” he said.

“The next person has got the opportunity to analyze the utility of the program and make his or her decision about whether or not it is necessary to protect the homeland. I suspect they’ll find that it is necessary. But my only point to you is that it was important for me to lay it out there, so that the politics wouldn’t enter into whether or not the program ought to survive beyond my period.”

The Examiner asked Bush why Democratic candidates such as Clinton and Barack Obama, who routinely lambaste his handling of Iraq, should take his advice.
“First of all, I expect them to criticize me. That’s one way you get elected in the Democratic primary, is to criticize the president,” Bush replied. “I don’t expect them to necessarily take advice from me. I would expect their insiders to at least get a perspective about how we see things.”

He added: “We have an obligation to make sure that whoever is interested, they get our point of view, because you want somebody running for president to at least understand all perspectives, apart from the politics.”

Besides, Bush suggested that Clinton and Obama just might benefit from his advice.

“If I were a candidate running for president in a complex world that we’re in, I would be asking my national security team to touch base with the White House just to at least listen about plans, thoughts,” he said.
So far, Bush has been encouraged by the fact that Democratic candidates are preserving enough wiggle room in their anti-war rhetoric to enable them to keep at least some troops in Iraq.

“If you listen carefully, there are Democrats that say, ‘Well, there needs to be some kind of presence,’” Bush said.

A senior White House official said the administration did not put much stock in pledges by Democratic presidential candidates to swiftly end the Iraq war if elected.

“Well, first of all, if you’re a presidential candidate,” the official said, “you’re able to [finesse] the public posturing that you may be required to do, or that you fall into doing.

“The other thing is, they are being advised by smart people,” the official said. “We’ve got colleagues here on the staff who have good communications with some of the thinkers on that side.

“And there is a recognition by most of them that there has to be a long-term presence by the United States if we hope to avoid America being brought back into the region in a very precarious way, at a point where all-out resources are required.”

One topic discussed by the White House and Democratic presidential campaigns is whether such a long-term presence should be inside Iraq, as Clinton prefers, or just outside, as Democratic candidate John Edwards has suggested.

Asked by The Examiner whether the Democrats were reluctant to have private contacts with the administration, the White House official replied: “No, I think they sort of welcome conversation.”

Besides, he said, Democrats understand the negative consequences of moving too quickly to reverse Bush’s Iraq policy. The official noted that in the wake of Vietnam, anti-war Democrats “suffered for 20-some-odd years because they were identified as the party, when it came to national security, of being weak.”

“If I were a Democrat, I would not want to be in a place where I was forcing us to withdraw in ’08,” he said. “It’s an election year and any bad consequences would immediately be on their head.

“One of two things will happen if a Democrat gets elected president,” he said. “They will either have to withdraw U.S. troops in order to remain true to the rhetoric — in which case, any consequences in the aftermath fall on their heads. Or they have to break their word, in which case they encourage fratricide on the left of their party. Now that’s a thorny issue to work through.”

Vice President Dick Cheney was philosophical about the possibility of a Democratic president fundamentally reversing the policies that he and Bush have worked so hard to implement in Iraq.

“It’s the nature of the business, in a sense,” he shrugged during an interview in his West Wing office. “I mean, you get two terms. We were fortunate to get two terms. And I think we’ll increasingly see a lot of emphasis on deciding who the next occupant of the Oval Office is going to be.”

http://www.examiner.com/a-953145~Bush_quietly_advising_Hillary_Clinton__top_ Democrats.html

[sicmarc]

A vote for Dennis Kucinich is a vote for peace,bringing our troops home not only from Iraq but Germany,Korea and anywhere else that is not American soil.It is a vote for decrimanalizing Marijauna.It is a vote for nonprofit heathcare for all Americans.Go to one of his websites and find out more.Please, our country needs him!

[Nailhead]

Originally Posted by sicmarc

A vote for Dennis Kucinich is a vote for peace,bringing our troops home not only from Iraq but Germany,Korea and anywhere else that is not American soil.It is a vote for decrimanalizing Marijauna.It is a vote for nonprofit heathcare for all Americans.Go to one of his websites and find out more.Please, our country needs him!

He certainly is one of the better democrats, Plus who wouldn't want his wife as the first lady? :P I also like Bill Richardson. He is my top fav on the democrat ticket. I was really impressed when I read about him making a visit to South Korea to help ease tensions with the North, sadly, the news thought Britney Spears and her stupid life was more important news than what a presidential candidate is doing to try and help prevent war.

[mba]

I find that party affiliation doesn't mean much no more, I am still undecided on many of the issues, and not completely pleased with any of the candidates but to call them clowns is very disrespectful, if you think public office is so easy, become politicly involve and make a difference.