[weedtracker]

ok so somebody said something to me today that i think might be something to consider... the big deal is that "sales" of mmj are illegal. that you can spend "money" to "buy" your medicine from a dispensary. well what if you didnt use money? what if you used 'credits' or somekind of "dispesnsary bucks" when you would buy dispensary bucks with real money and then use the dispensary bucks to buy your meds.. your not using "money" anymore in the traditional sense to buy your meds, is that something we could do if they try and stop "sales?"

just a thought..

[ShiningSkull]

Like scrip? Scrip has worked in many different situations.

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[wallawalla]

I think in the lines of a patient saying ok I need 1oz for a month in meds and then that patient donates a dollar for each point as needed for the meds. And the meds would go out on a points basis no cash exchanges hands when meds are recieved. Then I think it would be true donations in the eye of the law. What do you think? This is just a rough idea.

[Bemysnugglemate]

To me that would still be money. Some one would still have to collect the funds and guarantee those "Bucks" as equivalence to real money. IMO

What about if each member paid a monthly membership to join and they receive their medication at no fees. (also depending on what plan you donate for will determine the amounts of medications you would receive for the month). Make them tiered plans, that way each patient could pick the best plan for them.

I was very saddened to here about the most recent raids.

[nigel]

Originally Posted by Bemysnugglemate

To me that would still be money. Some one would still have to collect the funds and guarantee those "Bucks" as equivalence to real money. IMO

What about if each member paid a monthly membership to join and they receive their medication at no fees. (also depending on what plan you donate for will determine the amounts of medications you would receive for the month). Make them tiered plans, that way each patient could pick the best plan for them.

I was very saddened to here about the most recent raids.

I was thinking about something along that line. It could be a "membership fee" or "dues." Pay you're monthly dues, and have a credit for meds. How about this: Monthly dues, but you're dues are paid incrementally, each time you pick up your meds. You are not "buying meds," but rather "paying your dues!????

I wish an attorney could chime in on this one.

[wallawalla]

Originally Posted by Bemysnugglemate

To me that would still be money. Some one would still have to collect the funds and guarantee those "Bucks" as equivalence to real money. IMO

What about if each member paid a monthly membership to join and they receive their medication at no fees. (also depending on what plan you donate for will determine the amounts of medications you would receive for the month). Make them tiered plans, that way each patient could pick the best plan for them.

I was very saddened to here about the most recent raids.

It can be written up as a donation for services of growing/anything besides meds. And that is actually a part of a collective! Another thing that needs to be done is caregivers need to get more involved with patients such as rides to doctors or basically anything makes them a true caregiver

[IWant2CUWell]

I told this same idea to numerous collective owners a few weeks ago and they all said it was lame

Honestly I think this is the way to do it. I suggested having patients chip in to pay rent, utilities, etc. and get a reciet for that, or something of the sort. Where there's a will there's a way

[wallawalla]

It does state that patient of collectives that are not capable of helping in anyway may make monitary donations to defray costs!

[Bemysnugglemate]

Originally Posted by wallawalla

It can be written up as a donation for services of growing/anything besides meds. And that is actually a part of a collective! Another thing that needs to be done is caregivers need to get more involved with patients such as rides to doctors or basically anything makes them a true caregiver

In the plan of the tiered It could include other items as well needed. I was recently chatting with a private collective along these lines. Food donations as well as a Driver and other support inner groups would be formed to help the patient from within the collective.

[wallawalla]

Originally Posted by Bemysnugglemate

In the plan of the tiered It could include other items as well needed. I was recently chatting with a private collective along these lines. Food donations as well as a Driver and other support inner groups would be formed to help the patient from within the collective.

It would make them more like collectives instead of dispensaries. Plus it will help alot of patients that need the help. I myself am far from rich but always try to donate what I can! Just like you do!!

[sandman315]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

ok so somebody said something to me today that i think might be something to consider... the big deal is that "sales" of mmj are illegal. that you can spend "money" to "buy" your medicine from a dispensary. well what if you didnt use money? what if you used 'credits' or somekind of "dispesnsary bucks" when you would buy dispensary bucks with real money and then use the dispensary bucks to buy your meds.. your not using "money" anymore in the traditional sense to buy your meds, is that something we could do if they try and stop "sales?"

just a thought..

individual members could buy credits then redeen them at the counter

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

ok so somebody said something to me today that i think might be something to consider... the big deal is that "sales" of mmj are illegal. that you can spend "money" to "buy" your medicine from a dispensary. well what if you didnt use money? what if you used 'credits' or somekind of "dispesnsary bucks" when you would buy dispensary bucks with real money and then use the dispensary bucks to buy your meds.. your not using "money" anymore in the traditional sense to buy your meds, is that something we could do if they try and stop "sales?"

just a thought..

In a sense like the way pachinko palaces in Japan pay out good-luck tokens as winnings, which you then take to another storefront and exchange for money. See, no pachinko winnings are paid out as cash, therefore there is no gambling (which is illegal there). Kind of an ostrich-like mentality, but it's effective.

[fizzer]

If this ordinance passes, I don't see any other way collectives will be able to operate other than charging membership fees. Collectives need to calculate all of their costs of operation and come up with a membership plan that satisfies their nonprofit status. However, I can't really consider this a loophole, due to Conditions of Operations, Rule #8:

-No medical marijuana collective shall possess more than 5 pounds of dried marijuana or more than 100 plants of any size on the property.

-No collective shall possess marijuana that was not cultivated by the collective either on the property or at its predecessor location..

Collectives can't have more than 100 plants, and they can't get meds anywhere else. Their locations will be monitored by the police and the first thing they'll be looking for are collectives attempting to import weed from another source. Memberships will have to be small. So even with the systems that have been suggested in this thread, I don't see how they'll be able to provide a loophole that will get us out of the pending drastic decrease in supply.

[ScrewyLewy]

No this is all bull. Any way it is done it is still the same thing. Some patients need more than others and it cost more. Money is money scrips are money membership fees are money. Lets face it we need to change the damn laws to read a way that the people who voted and every one else gets the medicine they need at a reasonable price. I was in Japan for some time the way they dont gamble with the way too noisy machines is still gambling it the stupidest thing I ever saw. We are better than that and we are adults. Lets call a happy token money. I need medicine it is legal medicine but why can't I buy my medicine without a secret handshake.
I am so pissed off.

[cephas]

Originally Posted by ScrewyLewy

No this is all bull. Any way it is done it is still the same thing. Some patients need more than others and it cost more. Money is money scrips are money membership fees are money. Lets face it we need to change the damn laws to read a way that the people who voted and every one else gets the medicine they need at a reasonable price. I was in Japan for some time the way they dont gamble with the way too noisy machines is still gambling it the stupidest thing I ever saw. We are better than that and we are adults. Lets call a happy token money. I need medicine it is legal medicine but why can't I buy my medicine without a secret handshake.
I am so pissed off.

Yup.

This is all complete BS, and we cannot stand for it.

We need to write our representatives both city and state.

And we need to write the LA Times...

And we need to show up to the protests.

all three.

Should we have to do this? No. Our representatives should be representing us.

Here is a thought though.

Maybe, because as a group we do not do these things, our representatives do not know who we are.........and cannot represent us.

Just a thought....

[washgirl]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

ok so somebody said something to me today that i think might be something to consider... the big deal is that "sales" of mmj are illegal. that you can spend "money" to "buy" your medicine from a dispensary. well what if you didnt use money? what if you used 'credits' or somekind of "dispesnsary bucks" when you would buy dispensary bucks with real money and then use the dispensary bucks to buy your meds.. your not using "money" anymore in the traditional sense to buy your meds, is that something we could do if they try and stop "sales?"

just a thought..

I think if co-ops (true co-ops) were created then that problem would be solved. A small group of people would collectively grow their own meds. Everyone (who has the ability) will work the "farm" in one way or another. I think the best shops I have been to have been run by real patients helping patients. Real compassion is shown when there is empathy. Sadly (and we all know this to be true) most shops are NOT owned by patients.
And these are the shops that are making huge profits on the patients! And regardless if we used "credits, beans or buttons" for currency at some point money would have to buy these "credits, beans or buttons" and the same shops selling ounces for 560.00 will still be making a huge profit. Now I don't pretend to know what the recently raided shop(s) were selling their ounces for as I have not been. But I do know that if I can get my meds less from the crack dealer who dabbles in weed on the corner for LESS then there is a profit being made. I do know if that same street dealer now owns a shop he is not in it for compassion and the patients.

I am on the side that thinks Prop 215 needs a major overhaul to protect patients. I think clear guidelines on writing recs need to be written and that should be the first place that get "raided" Dr.s selling recs. NO BODY should be able to go into a Dr with 65-250 bucks point and a random scar and in ten mins leave with a rec! We need to make it OK for our PCPs to write our recs! The social stigma is sad. And until the Drs selling the recs are stopped the social stigma will remain horrible. Why would a PCP want to write a rec when so many bad recs are out there. Most of us personally know at least one person who bought their rec. All of us have seen the kid running out of a shop with his bag in hand with his friends in car wooting and woohooing the party is about to start (and they will start as soon as they get out of the driveway! Start with the Dr.s and you will find that the true patients will not stand for 560 an ounce price and the for profit shops will just fade away and back to the street corners.

[kennabis]

private means private! and, donation and gift kinda explain themselfs

we are being jacked by the domestic military, and, "voted in" enemy city dis-servants

a law suit against the city is what is needed

acts of civil disobedience are right around the corner smoke in's and smoke out's are my mind daily! city halls and police dept's all have good southern exposure

[Col. Kif]

Here's a link to my original post proposing this....

A proposal I think may help the MMJ community.

Col. Kif

[bigskybuds]

Hey just an idea try having patients pay a monthly fee like going to a gym then you supply the meds that patient needs just like it was rental equipment that is non returnable. You have to have a card to get into the clubs and the monthly fee can cover the meds a patient needs. If you put the membership as a floating scale then patients that dopnt consume as much get this price and so on.....

[MotherEarthCo-op]

even with the limits imposed I think the collectives will have members willing to make sure that 100 plant, 5lbs. limit is maintained every day of the week for all the members to access,case law states a collective members only contribution may be monetary,that means all a member has to do is show up at the collective and and give his share for the 1/8 of meds and go home ,the wording and structure will change but I think things can continue close to the same

[Smilodon]

Problem is money is the root of all evil, as well as necessary for continued collective operation (i.e., rent, nutes, equipments, electricity, etc.). Cooperative share plans I think are the way to go, but you have to account for the real need for actual money to change hands as well since at some point the collective needs to deal with the real world.

[tooweirdtolivetooraretodie]

I think trying to play the "loophole" game is a bad long term plan and will only complicate the short term. Even then, would it still appease the anti-mmj crowd? Not too likely. This is an old fashioned political fight. I think it's better to be righteous and straight forward. We have been granted a legal right through a legal vote by the majority of Californians. The people who watch news and follow politics but don't use mj or mmj, are distracted from this right now by bigger issues, but would still likely side with us. In my opinion, I think this movement just needs to throw itself into the mainstream, celebrity spokespeople that the average person in BFE can relate to and the same kind of commercials that other political movements and parties use to get and sway attention and favor. I just don't think backing down or giving in to bullies, that's all these tactics amount to, is ever the right thing to do.


Here's a fun quote I think of when I see these city hall people on TV spewing their nonsense.

"Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us." -Fight Club

I bet there's many WT'ers that work in similar positions, cops, lawyers, politicians, et al come and patronize your establishment, blindly trusting that you're doing your job appropriately and following the rules, not out to hurt customers that do not see things in the same way. Can they really expect that, if they themselves don't do that and go even further by creating an adversarial situation? I'm certainly not advocating taking any sort of illegal action, but we all know what you risk when you anger the restaurant staff and your food is out of your sight.

[KuShRoCC]

Membership fees are the only option that reflects our current health care system. We will pay a membership fee(like current health care providers.), and depending on how much meds you need a month will reflect your payment plan. I am sure there are lots of possibilities to the solution.

[bigskybuds]

shouldnt it all be free?? thats the big question...i think the government should be worried about how they are going to controll the population and save our planet

[Col. Kif]

Since my original thread isn't seeing the activity this one is... I am crossposting my original post.... As you can see this isn't a "loophole", it's a strategy to help take the bite out of our opposition. We need to show we are a self regulating and responsible community, not profiteering drug dealers.

First let me thank you in advance for reading this.

I have what I believe to be a possible solution that may help ease the busts on MMJ Dispensaries wether run by Co-ops or Collectives.

Our opposition keeps citing the "Illegal Sale" of Marijuana as a prime motivating source. How about we remove that source?

What I propose is a change in how Donations and the dispensing of Medical Marijuana occurs. The idea is simple and as far as I, as a layman, can see would seem to help us conform more tightly to the model of a not for profit entity wether Co-op or Collective.

It would require more book keeping, but both models allow for both volunteers and employees to do this.

Simply separate the donation of money from the transfer of the Medicine. Allow members and patients to make donations and in turn, recieve donation vouchers. This would be transacted separately and away from the dispensing of Medicine. No money changes hands for Medicine. Medicines are distributed in a fair manner based on a patients donation or participation in a Co-Op or Collective.

All the Budtender/Volunteer need do is look in the database to see where a registered and verified patient's donation voucher level is at. The Voucher is proof of donation to the not for profit entity. No money changes hands at the time the patient recieves thier medicine so no "sale" is created. You don't pay sales tax on donations to a not for profit entity. You pay sales tax on sales.

I am interested to see what people think of this idea. Especially those among us who are activist and community leaders.

I know I'm new to the community but I feel strongly that this could help us in our fight to keep access safe & Patient rights as well as privacy intact.

Regards,

Col. Kif