[cannaletto]

I'm preparing a post on Cannabis Law Reform, when I'm done I'll post it..
in the meantime, before I do post, I'm interested in other WT's opinions:

#1. What do you think about the Obama administration easing up on marijuana prosecutions? Do you think he is representing our cause strongly enough?

#2. Should Pharmaceutical Corporations control Marijuana?

My Opinion poll: Which Door would you prefer?

Door #1 let the states decide how Marijuana is controlled?

Door #2 enforce federal laws & keep it illegal? (yeah right)

Door#3 Create a new federal law regulating medical marijuana?


I'm just curious where everyone's head is on this subject, please answer as truthfully as you can. Thanx

[mikebig 9078]

hell no.cannibus sould be legal for everybody

[Oxfarm]

Legal.

If the Gov wants to regulate Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds when they come out with Marlboro Greens and Camel Kush, so be it. But I want the Gov to stay the heck away from my backyard where I tend to my own homegrown medicine.

[CarlSagan]

1. I think Obama personally wants marijuana to be legal, but politically, he will never fully back legalization of mmj or recreational mj because conservatives would have a field day.

2. If corporation take over mmj and things start getting greedy...I'll just grow my own!!!

[A.1.]

keep marijuana out of the control of the goverment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! marijuana is for the people by the people hahaha. seriously

[X Runner]

Opinion #1: I give BHO a "C" grade. Nice feel good rhetoric but the results are what counts. Maybe he'll get a "B" if the latest policy announcement really makes a difference.
Opinion #2: No. The pill pushers can control all the cannabinoids in pill form but please don't screw around with my plants.

Door #1: I like this idea but fed law almost always trumps state law. Look for the feds to fight tooth and nail against any legalization effort. The Federalism principle will be defended at all costs.
Door #2: No. The most likely possibility is to reschedule marijuana in the Controlled Substances Act. Legalizing it nationally is a big can of worms that this country is not ready to open yet.
Door #3: See door #2. Also, let's legalize it here in California and see what happens.

[superface13]

#2. Should Pharmaceutical Corporations control Marijuana?

They can suck farts from our collective asses

[g0tpersian]

Originally Posted by Oxfarm

Legal.

If the Gov wants to regulate Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds when they come out with Marlboro Greens and Camel Kush, so be it. But I want the Gov to stay the heck away from my backyard where I tend to my own homegrown medicine.

Funny, you say you don't care if the government regulates tobacco, but marijuana is a different story. Just to remind you, you're a consumer too. It's another way the government is essentially making a consumer decision for you; keep that in mind. The government shouldn't have its hand in any business. Last time I checked, the government isn't supposed to be a business entity.

As far as pharmaceuticals taking over mmj, no way lol. Pharmacies only distribute what is FDA approved. Personally, the mmj movement is walking on thin ice. I don't mean to discourage those of us who really do use it medicinally, but they are much better alternatives out there than marijuana as a medication. I'm not supporting chemically synthesized medication, just pointing out that marijuana is much more recreational than medicinal. No way in hell the FDA will approve it for medication.

I've mentioned it in a previous thread, the only concern I have with legalizing it is government regulation. As of recently, Obama has given authority to the FDA to regulate nicotine levels in cigarettes, which is another tactic to take away consumer choice[....surprised?]. My concern is the government regulating THC levels, which is totally possible the way this country is headed. As far as I'm concerned, the power should reside with the states. The problem today with it is the supremacy clause, which is why there is this conflict in the first place between the federal and state government.

[Justonevoice]

Out of the question, ahhhh no and no never ever ever, they would just find a way to give cannabis side effects like everything else they sell.

[Bogart McKilo]

Pharmaceutical companies in charge? That should be the very last choice for anyone! Anyone recall about 20 years ago the same companies trying to "squash" the herbal industry because of the threat to their drug domination? Then, they said unregulated herbal and natural remedies were "dangerous." There was such an unexpected backlash they were forced to back off. - Even with the FDA's intervention, they failed. Pharmaceutical companies totally in charge? May as well let DEA be in charge.

[halosmoker420]

Pharmaceuticals controlling marijuana ? I shudder at the very thought of it. Could you imagine what they would do to our beautiful flower? There's so much sick shit that they put out already....funny though.... I could imagine the fast talked warning in their commercials ... it would read something like
"May cause happiness, spontaneous laughing, appetite stimulation, apparent prolonging sexual encounters, red blood cell stimulation (due to increase appetite), anti-nausea properties, and sleep."

[Bogart McKilo]

FDA + Pharmaceuticals = Money sluts

Pushing Prescriptions - The Center for Public Integrity


Stop FDA attacks on herbs - RMHI

[mr2u]

sounds good

[jasongood31]

hahahahahahahahha that dude said they can suck farts out of the collectives asses hahahaha that would be funny youtube material


honestly for the patients we could not have a better setup right now the clinics are a bud smokers dream lol trust me

[X Runner]

If marijuana is ever legalized, there is no way anyone can keep Bayer, Pfizer, et. al. from synthesizing or extracting cannabinoids for some wonder pill. Let them. You still have to make the personal choice whether to ingest them or not. As long as we have the right to cultivate our own, who cares what the drug companies do?

[cephas]

Keep it out of the Pharmaceuticals hands...if they want to make a pill fine, do not take my flowers and concentrates away.... The Pharmaceutical companies do nothing good with anything...

[zbestwun2001]

I heard this a while ago from Jeannie Herer.. she was pissed off when she was explaining this to me and excitable. So this is wha

She kept mentioning the word "terminator seeds" that would be used by the gov. with a very LOW THC CONTENT %.

Here is an article I just found on it

They have been working on it for almost 10 years now.

Genetically modified medpot? | Cannabis Culture Magazine
Genetically modified medpot?

By Reverend Damuzi - Tuesday, February 29 2000



Pharmaceutical companies may seize control of Canada's medical marijuana supply.

A source within the Ministry of Health, who wishes to remain anonymous, has provided documents and information to Cannabis Culture, describing how Canadian pot is to be grown for upcoming medical trials. The documents call for 185 kg (408 pounds) of pot to be grown in the first year, and double that amount for the second through fifth years.

The thirty-five page guideline document, with the weighty title, Draft Statement of Work for The Development of a Comprehensive Operation for the Cultivation and Fabrication of Marijuana in Canada, is still open to revisions. It includes proposals for how marijuana should be grown, processed and fabricated. Included in these guidelines is the potential to give a notorious pharmaceutical company exclusive rights for selling seeds to the budding medpot industry.

Mississippi schwag
According to the document, "the acquisition of seed will be performed by Health Canada during the project initiation stage. The prime contractor can choose to provide their own seed so long as it is from a licit source."

Which presents a problem. How many licit seed sources exist? In North America the only licit source is the University of Mississippi. Concerns about the effectiveness of notoriously schwaggy U of M bud prompted Dr Kilby of the Community Research Initiative of Toronto to state that he would prefer clinical marijuana come from another source (see CC#22). It would seem that Health Canada recognized these concerns when it began looking for private contractors to do the job.

Yet will the bud really be any different than that produced by the University of Mississippi? Cannabis Culture's anonymous source within the ministry gave us the scoop.

"Scheduled labs around the country which are already growing marijuana are using seeds from the University of Mississippi," reported the official. "The genetics come from Monsanto."
Health Canada spokesperson Jeff Pender knew of the recent guidelines document that had been released, but denied knowledge of where the seeds will come from.

"Where would a potential grower get the seeds from?," repeated Pender when I asked him this question. "I'm not really sure. I guess? I could find out for you. I imagine growers could order seeds from the US."

Pender eventually suggested that the National Institute on Drug Abuse, which also gets its cannabis from the University of Mississippi, might be a source for contracted growers looking to buy licit seeds. If the unnamed source at the Ministry of Health is correct, all of these seeds would originally have come from Monsanto.

Monsanto's marijuana
The US-based Monsanto corporation became infamous last year when the public discovered that the huge pharmaceutical company was responsible for producing Agent Orange during the Vietnam war, for producing and selling Roundup to be sprayed on South American villages, for experimenting with dangerous genetically modified foods, and ? most recently ? for creating the dreaded "terminator" seed.

Terminator seeds are genetically engineered to produce a plant that will not produce viable seed, meaning that growers would be forced to go back to Monsanto each year to buy more seed stock to replant. Governments and public alike became wary of the concept when it was discovered that the terminator seed could possibly cross the species barrier, possibly spreading infertility among the plant kingdom like a disease.

Cannabis seeds from Monsanto are almost definitely genetically engineered. Genetically engineered plants can be patented, and it is in Monsanto's best interest to hold a patent on any seed they sell. Seed patents ensure that companies like Monsanto can continue to profit from seeds from year to year, as farmers are legally bound to buy patented seeds from the patent holder rather than simply store them from the last year's crop.

Pharmaceutical schwag
Interestingly, low-potency pot of the kind produced by Monsanto seeds at the University of Mississippi is exactly the kind of product the Ministry of Health is asking for from contractors. The guidelines ask specifically for "standardized marijuana cigarettes with THC content of between 4% and 6% and weighing [about] 850 mg."

Which means the cigarettes to be used for clinical trials will be phatties containing over three-quarters of a gram of schwag bud each! These fat joints will deliver about twice the tar per dose as marijuana currently available from experienced growers, which reaches between 8-10% THC.

The Health Canada document seems concerned that smoking can cause harm, and promises to explore other methods soon after the initial trials are run. Yet the product they choose to use is guaranteed to maximize the risks and problems associated with smoking. Could it be that the Ministry of Health is creating its own excuse not to use smoking as a delivery method?

Our anonymous source within the ministry assures us that the government plans to eventually only allow the use of inhalers, similar to asthma inhalers.

"The inhaler gets rid of any small industry that might develop, by regulating the delivery system. The other idea that didn't go through was to develop a seed system that would allow cultivars from across Canada which would then be grandfathered. What this means is that once the cultivated varieties were tested they would be introduced just the same as if they had been genetically modified."

Patented seeds and dose delivery methods could mean complete pharmaceutical control of medicinal cannabis sometime in the near future.

[X Runner]

I've reread my previous post and feel the need to clarify. I, too, do not particularly like the drug companies but you have to remember that these companies have to comply with the Controlled Substances Act. The only way they could or would get involved with marijuana is if it were LEGALIZED. There would be no way to keep them from doing the things they do after that. Thanks to this thread, I have another thought to file away as we grind towards a ballot showdown. My thoughts and feelings about legalization are still relatively unformed because there are always unintended consequences when some new radical idea becomes reality. Take 800+ dispensaries for instance. Anyway, I just added my $0.02.

[ShiningSkull]

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

Patented seeds and dose delivery methods could mean complete pharmaceutical control of medicinal cannabis sometime in the near future.

UGH.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by ShiningSkull

UGH.

This was atleast a couple years ago she was screaming about it on the phone...

[cephas]

Ok, I do not understand why 800 dispensaries is bad?

Is the USA not a capitalist economy?

What happened to letting demand even out the market?

More than that, how many liquor stores are in LA? Anybody have that number. How many stores are located in LA that sell alcohol?

I would bet there is a lot more than 800.....

Let's stop being self-defeating. There is no problem with 800 stores, that is called capitalism. The problem is with the lack of regulation and clearly defined rules. That problem is solely the fault of the city officials through out California and the state officials Sacramento, and to a lesser degree the bully's in Washington D.C.

We need to stop listening to their misinformation on any and all levels. The 800 Co-ops in La as a problem is a diversion tactic and nothing else. The only problem with MMJ in LA or anywhere else in Ca is due 100% to the lack of regulation, and nothing else.

Problem: Too many stores
Solution: Regulation.

Problem: Too many criminals.
Solution: Regulation.

Problem: Too much money being made (this is stupid problem people, we should be bitch-slapping those who say this is a problem right now, not supporting them, but whatever for the purposes of this argument)
Solution: Regulation.

Every single problem has the same solution, a solution we cannot provide. Only the officials can provide it and they are avoiding it by distracting us and scaring us. By acting like we caused this problem. We did not cause it, they did. Through their inaction and laziness.

Let's all realize this and let the realization help us to focus on the goal like a laser.

The goal is regulation. Fair regulation that treats MJ like the emerging industry it is. Not regulation that treats us like unwanted step children, people who do not "deserve" to be legal, which is what the current proposal is.

[X Runner]

I didn't say it's bad. Cooley and Trutanich are saying it. If anything 800+ flat out amazes me. May the best shops prevail.

[DankJews]

I Don't Know How To Answer, Well I Do But I Would Write A Book... So Lets Make It Express Style 1. No 2. There Can Be Very Many Beneficial Things Of This, Can Eliminate The Uses Of Harmful Chemically Based Medicines Out There(eg Oxycontin, Valium, Xanax, ect. ect.) As Would Still Allow The National Community To Grow Their Own. Pharmaceutical Companies Would Be Focusing On Synthesized Cannabinoids. I'll Go With Door 3 As I Would Create A new Federal Law Regulating Marijuana *&* MEDICAL marijuana? That's All I'm Saying. Nice Posty By The Way!

.:Stay Medicated:. As I Am, Hahah

[Bogart McKilo]

Problem is, Dank, do you suppose... after they've made great inroads into the growing, transporting, marketing, synthesizing,patenting, and profit of marijuana, would they still allow mass growing? I mean, losing all that money and all. Kind of unlikely.
Don't think they're fond of competition.

[tokermom]

"What Are Your Thoughts Should Pharmaceutical Corporations control Marijuana"
NO!!!!!