I'm sure you've alreaDy seen it, but I'm getting scareD because some people here are actually about to fall for Bob Barr's ruse, so here it is again - Obama anD others aDmitting to smoking pot. Don't get DupeD by the Repukians again anD Don't vote for Mr. War on Drugs Barr. He's lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8

[chargergirl]

great clip! thanks, OBAMA FOR PRES!! I think ALL politicians should HAVE to inhale at least once!

Originally Posted by senorlou

I'm sure you've alreaDy seen it, but I'm getting scareD because some people here are actually about to fall for Bob Barr's ruse, so here it is again - Obama anD others aDmitting to smoking pot. Don't get DupeD by the Repukians again anD Don't vote for Mr. War on Drugs Barr. He's lying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8

YES WE CAN!

[happyjack]

Originally Posted by chargergirl

I think ALL politicians should HAVE to inhale at least once!

They should have to inhale everytime.
We don't want to have a president who wastes our national resources, do we?

[medicalmanta]

Obama IS NOT pro MMJ listen closely to what he is saying. In fact he is anti MMJ. He clearly states that he does not think patients should have unregulated access and should not be able to grow. So what if he's going to end the DEA raids? His thought is to get rid of the "mom and pop pot shops" to begin with so there won't be anyone to raid in the first place. He is a farce and a liar.

[Will]

Originally Posted by medicalmanta

Obama IS NOT pro MMJ listen closely to what he is saying. In fact he is anti MMJ. He clearly states that he does not think patients should have unregulated access and should not be able to grow. So what if he's going to end the DEA raids? His thought is to get rid of the "mom and pop pot shops" to begin with so there won't be anyone to raid in the first place. He is a farce and a liar.

I have listened, and he is definitely our best Feasible chance for advancement of MMJ at this point.

He is most definitely not Anti-MMJ as you have so wrongly stated

His statements on the federal regulation are so far away from ever happening, they are pretty much useless.

Use a little common sense, do you actually think as a politician trying to get elected president he could actually take a complete Pro-MMJ stance and still have the support of the Dems, of course not. He is an ex (maybe ex) user of MJ and admits it, that right there should tell you he is most likely at least sympathetic to the cause, or at least understanding no matter what Politically motivated statements has to make.

As far as you downplaying the end to DEA raids, YOU need to get a grasp on reality and go ask any of the MMJ prisoners just how important that is. YOUR statement on that is the real Farce.

[Bogart McKilo]

Having lived long enough to have seen many campaigns from the past and the policies, and the lies...I believe Obama is for real.
If a person is so honest about smoking marijuana, (in essence, saying, "hey look guys, I tried smoking pot and I dig it.") why would he be lying about his plans for America? He is saying the truth.
I think his character is sound.

[medicalmanta]

For me, MMJ is an alternative to the regulated medication the government provides. For me safe unregulated access is important. For me the ability growing is important. All these things are MAJOR fascists of the MMJ movement as far as I (and others I know) are concerned. He has clearly stated he is NOT for them.

Think about what would happen if you had to go talk to your doc every time your sack ran out to refil your prescription. Think about if you had to go to a pharmacy to get your meds. Do you think they are going to have all your favorite strains? Do you think they will even differ between Indica/Sativa (a huge difference for certain patients and their treatment)? Is this the spirit of the MMJ movement and the direction we want to go?

I'm glad he doesn't want to raid clubs, I'm not trying to downplay that. But the words that follow scare me, even if they are "a long ways from happening". He compares MMJ to MORPHINE and thinks it should be treated as such yet he has smoked it before himself?

[OakSmokeMJA]

Great thread. Obama appears to be the most MMJ friendly candidate. I Did some research on Barr and his record on the "war on drugs" is unimpressive.

Also, just to throw out other candidates that are opposed to the criminalization of MMJ, Cynthia Mckinney is running on the Green ticket as is Ralph Nader for the Independents.

Have a great day all!:smile2:

[Devastator805]

So how are his stances on legalization

Well, he saiD he won't legalize it, but he's against "criminalization". That means, basically, he won't legalize it, but he'll stop making it illegal. That's a politician for you. Hey, the guy aDmits he's SMOKED OUT on many an occasion. He can be trusteD far more than Bob Barr. BTW people, here's what poster Will Dug up on Barr earlier:

This guy is the BIGGEST SCUMBAG HYPOCRITE because of him THOUSANDS maybe MILLIONS of people have suffered, he needs to be locked up in PRISON for the rest of his EVIL life.

Nothing he does will Take back the evil and pain he has thrust upon so many.

BARR's GREAT CONTRIBUTION

War on drugs

Barr was a strong supporter of the War on Drugs, reflecting his previous experience as an Anti-Drug Coordinator for the Department of Justice. While in Congress, he was a member of the Speaker's Task Force for a Drug-Free America. This task force was established in 1998 by then-Speaker Newt Gingrich to "design a World War II-style victory plan to save America's children from illegal drugs." The task force crafted legislation specifically designed to "win the War on Drugs by 2002".
“ There is no legitimate use whatsoever for marijuana. This is not medicine. This is bogus witchcraft. It has no place in medicine, no place in pain relief... ”

—Bob Barr, May 13 2002

Barr advocated complete federal prohibition of medical marijuana. In 1998, He successfully blocked implementation of Initiative 59 -- the "Legalization of Marijuana for Medical Treatment Initiative of 1998" -- which would have legalized medical marijuana in the District of Columbia (DC). The "Barr Amendment" to the 1999 Omnibus spending bill not only blocked implementation of Initiative 59 but prohibited the vote tally from even being released. Nearly a year passed before a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union eventually revealed the initiative had received 69 percent of the vote. In response to the judge's ruling, Barr simply attached another "Barr Amendment" to the 2000 Omnibus spending bill that overturned Initiative 59 outright. The Barr Amendment also prohibited future laws that would "decrease the penalties for marijuana or other Schedule I drugs" in Washington, DC. This preemptively blocked future attempts by Marijuana Policy Project (MPP) to reform marijuana laws in DC via the initiative process. In March 2002, U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan struck down this portion of the Barr Amendment as being an unconstitutional restriction on free speech. Barr's response to the ruling was defiant:

Clearly, the court today has ignored the constitutional right and responsibility of Congress to pass laws protecting citizens from dangerous and addictive narcotics, and the right of Congress to exert legislative control over the District of Columbia as the nation's capital.
—Bob Barr, March 28 2002

The federal government later prevailed on appeal, reinstating the Barr Amendment just in time to thwart MPP's initiative 63 -- "The Medical Marijuana Initiative of 2002" -- which had already qualified for the November 2002 ballot. As of 2007, the Barr Amendment remains in effect, and Initiative 63 remains in limbo -- technically ready to appear on the next DC election ballot when and if the Barr Amendment is ever repealed.

Barr would later reverse his position on medical marijuana, actually joining MPP as a lobbyist five years later (see Marijuana Policy Project in Political associations below). In an interview with Stephen Colbert on the Colbert Report on June 4, 2008, Barr confirmed that he now supports ending marijuana prohibition, as well as the War on Drugs he once fought vehemently for.
Last edited by Will : 06-06-2008 at 08:09 PM.
Join Date: Oct 2007

[medicalmanta]

Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth, anti legalization pro decriminalization, pro medical marijuana anti self regulation. These things contradict each other. He contradicts himself and makes no clear statements or promises, trying to make everyone happy.

Since you had to bring him up here, (my main point is to rid people of the illusion that Obama is pro MMJ, and not to endorse Barr) Bob Barr is someone who has shown himself to be active, first on one side of the issue, now on the other. He joined the MMP, thats not the kind of thing liars do. I believe he has changed his views on the subject. Wouldn't you let someone who wanted to repent for what they have done wrong if they were trying to? I think he deserves that chance. I'm proud that there are still politicians in our country who are willing to admit when they were wrong...I think thats rare and carries a LOT of weight.

[medicalmanta]

this article sums it up brilliantly, I don't need to say any more. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/25/165411/24

Wouldn't you let someone who wanted to repent for what they have done wrong if they were trying to? I think he deserves that chance.

Listen MM, Bob Barr was one of the heaDs of the witch trial against Clinton for his blowjob. TurneD out, unsurprisingly, that Bob Barr haD an affair of his own. He got caught, anD feel free to look it up. In other worDs - he's a confirmeD hypocrite, anD why MPP DeciDeD to put their trust in this slimy, lying opportunist is beyonD me. I guess that's why I'm with NORML. Don't trust a liar.

[medicalmanta]

I'm not here to endorse Barr, I may not even vote for the guy. I am here to say that Obama is lying to all of you when he says he is pro mmj. You like the "I inhaled frequently" quote? well heres one that came after. It's not something that I'm proud of. It was a mistake …" look that up for yourself (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...25/479649.aspx). He says 1) it is a mistake to smoke, 2) that it is as dangerous as and should be regulated like morphine 3) that without regulation of access and growing it could be come a "slippery slope"....Every single democratic presidential candidates in 2008, all ten of them, said they would stop the raids. Hillary supports us just as much as Obama. Nothing else he has said is productive or positive for the medical marijuana movement.

Man, you smoking Trainwreck? Your paranoiD. MMJ starteD up During the Clinton years. DEA raiDs will stop, anD we'll be much better off if the suckers Don't get DupeD into voting for Barr or McNutcase. Our only chance to get the raiDs to stop anD to more forwarD insteaD of backwarD to where we have to meet people in parks, Donut shops, anD Dance clubs to score our weeD, or associate with people we Don't like - gangsters, criminals, etc... is to back the Dems, in my opinion. Maybe Obama won't legalize it nationally, but if he leaves California alone like he saiD, I'll be satisfieD.

[medicalmanta]

When did he say he was leaving California alone? He said IF science proves it is the BEST method of treatment that it should be treated as morphine or other prescription drugs. He said he wouldn't have raids, he didn't say he'd leave us alone.


...and I'm smoking Silver Kush...some TW would be nice though

[Will]

Originally Posted by medicalmanta

Bob Barr is someone who has shown himself to be active, first on one side of the issue, now on the other.

Shown himself to be active, that's quite the way to put that he waged a war on MMJ, and basically nullified a MMJ initiative that was overwhelmingly approved by 69% of the voters in D.C., that's what you refer to as active, I call that Traitorous and evil. How many people suffered? How many people were sent to jail? How many people are still going to be arrested in the future thanks to him?

Originally Posted by medicalmanta

He joined the MMP, thats not the kind of thing liars do.

Anyone can say anything or change their mind, big deal.

Originally Posted by medicalmanta

Wouldn't you let someone who wanted to repent for what they have done wrong if they were trying to? I think he deserves that chance.

Repent, I haven't heard him "repent". How is he going to make up for the thousands of people he has caused to suffer (maybe you don't know any "real" patients who need their meds, I do, how do you fix that impossible)
How is he going to fix the years of pain he has caused sick people by sending them to jail, tell me how that works?

Originally Posted by medicalmanta

I'm proud that there are still politicians in our country who are willing to admit when they were wrong...I think thats rare and carries a LOT of weight.

You are "proud" of him? That's just plain sick. I've been doing a lot of extra reading about him and I don't see him repenting or his big admission of guilt.
Who's to say next year he won't "change his mind" again??

IMHO he carries no weight except his the weight of his GUILT.


Back to the real hope Obama, let him do more research. What do you expect a politician to say to protect himself, let him do 8 more years of research and in the meantime Just leave us aloneworks for me. 8 more years and we will be UNSTOPPABLE.

[Davyl]

"Use a little common sense, do you actually think as a politician trying to get elected president he could actually take a complete Pro-MMJ stance and still have the support of the Dems, of course not. He is an ex (maybe ex) user of MJ and admits it, that right there should tell you he is most likely at least sympathetic to the cause, or at least understanding no matter what Politically motivated statements has to make."


Uh., fellas...George W Bush has "smoked out" before, AND used cocaine...I don't see him being very "sympathetic to the cause"...with that said, I don't think Obama will really do anything one way or another for "our cause". If he came out blatantly pro for MMJ, his critics who say he is "too liberal", will have the ammunition to bury him. It's politically unfeasible for him do touch the issue. He will simply end the DEA raids (quietly), and things will remain unchanged as far as the Feds go...The states' on the other hand WILL try to regulate MMJ, as far as putting limits on amounts and such.

Bob Barr on the other hand is running on a Libertarian platform, which by defintion (of a Libertarian) wants almost zero government regulation. Libertarians don't believe in Public Schools, public welfare, the IRS - or anything run by a government or state agency. Libertarians (as a group/platform) don't believe ANY drugs should be illegal.

So, while it is true that "Mr Barr" was a Republican, as a Libertarian he HAS to (as a priciple) "tow the party line" an proclaim that he believes in drug/MMJ legalization.

Personally, I consider myself a Libertarian, but in this election I'm voting for Obama. Bob Barr, like Ron Paul may have some intriguing ideas, but really have a snowball's chance in hell of winning...I'm also a realist.

[medicalmanta]

(I have nothing further to say about Barr here because it its off topic)
Do you people think that the issue with the public will cease to exist if Obama stops the DEA raids? What about all the anti mmj people that still live in California (and other mmj states) who try to pass measures against us (measure b, etc.)? Do think they will just let these issues go quietly? What about cocky cops who feel like giving patients a hard time, or or confused cops who don't know california Code. even if no charges are pressed this can be a very upsetting experience. Obama will stop none of this. Until someone can guarantee me that my rec actually means shit, that I don't EVER have to worry about getting harassed by the law or ever have to worry about having safe access (unregulated) they have said nothing.

It's not Obamas choice. Look past 8th grade government. The President executes the will of the party, contributors anfd the old guard.

It really doesn't matter if HE is pro mmj. When he has spoken about it, you had better be dying and want the schwag from a real pharmacy. It's likely that 99% of WT'ers wouldn't qualify.

Since when does the President actually make policy?

[resipsa]

To the best of my knowledge, Obama has made no formal platform or policy statement on MM, merely responded to questions from audience members at rallies.

Before you get all hopeful, remember all those politicians we got all hopeful about in the past. They also never made a policy commitment, just made remarks that led us on.

In my opinion, until we use our power as voters to force people running for office to go on the record with a real policy statement about MM we are just blowing smoke up our own asses.

[MitchisShifty]

ima pack obama a killer toke

[erbs01]

I just hope the next president makes better use of tax payers dollars!

[silvercloud]

Obama personally stated that if MMJ would hav had a therapeutic effect for 'his' grandmother whom he saw 'suffer' from MS ,he would hav to consider further research while decriminalizing:smile2: (not legalization) cannabis 'nationally' ,ceasing raids:smile2: on MMJ dispensaries in states that 'accommodate' for qualified patients ... that is all .....