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TangoChica · 10-24-2009, 11:11 PM

My son has to deliver the "pro Marijuana and hemp" speech in his college class. This class is based on reviewing today's laws and the constitution.
I have printed so much data for him that it is overwhelming. This is not just about medical use, but use in general.
Can everyone help me streamline the most factual documentation for the argument of total legalization of Marijuana and hemp.
Thanks from a Proud Mom!

VooDoo Chile · 10-24-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TangoChica

My son has to deliver the "pro Marijuana and hemp" speech in his college class. This class is based on reviewing today's laws and the constitution.
I have printed so much data for him that it is overwhelming. This is not just about medical use, but use in general.
Can everyone help me streamline the most factual documentation for the argument of total legalization of Marijuana and hemp.
Thanks from a Proud Mom!

What does that have to do with the Constitution? I'm a Con Law geek, but you're gonna have to be waaaay more specific than that.

***Pitjustice*** · 10-25-2009, 12:14 AM

Freedom!

The only thing that gave the idea of a constitiution merit is to be a means to protect your right to your life, liberty and property (the pursuite of happyness).

And is the only valid reason for its ( a constitution) existance/authority.

And the use (religious, medical, recreational, industrial etc.) of mj is irrevalent with freedom, no one has the right to forcably deny it.

No one ever has the right to initate theft, force or fraud.

The only valid reason for force is in self-defence from someone who would do the above.

And it does'nt matter your groups race, sex, culture, geografic location, numbers, badges or titles.

No one else's opionions on these matters are valid.

Greenbud · 10-25-2009, 02:02 AM

The first drafts of the U.S. Constitution were made of hemp paper.

Does that help?

GB

Smilodon · 10-25-2009, 08:57 AM

It was such a strong agricultural crop that many of our founding fathers grew it and used it.

X Runner · 10-25-2009, 09:40 AM

During the beginning decades of this country, it was mandatory for all farmers to grow a stand of hemp for ships' riggings. And don't forget that during the Second World War our farmers were encouraged to grow hemp for the same reason.

TangoChica · 10-25-2009, 01:42 PM

Thanks so far! I asked my son to be more specific. His class is currently talking about what the fathers thought of the power of the Federal Government vs. the State. His class is using the hottest topics today that challenge the power. He is to speak for 5 to 10 minutes on that the full legalization if the correct course of action. He is to site the major benefits, be it taxation, cost of law enforcement, agricultural, etc.
I gave him so much info regarding the medical use, but I am lacking national benefits over and above medical use. Again, thanks for any help.

ShiningSkull · 10-25-2009, 02:08 PM

TangoChica, here's a broad historical look at mj that your son may find useful as background.

Need help explaining why weed should be legal?

VooDoo Chile · 10-25-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TangoChica

Thanks so far! I asked my son to be more specific. His class is currently talking about what the fathers thought of the power of the Federal Government vs. the State. His class is using the hottest topics today that challenge the power. He is to speak for 5 to 10 minutes on that the full legalization if the correct course of action. He is to site the major benefits, be it taxation, cost of law enforcement, agricultural, etc.
I gave him so much info regarding the medical use, but I am lacking national benefits over and above medical use. Again, thanks for any help.

Without getting into too much detail, the political theories of the Founders varied extensively, especially with respect to their feelings about the powers of the National and State governments. I'm assuming he wants to argue the states' rights side of things?

If that's the case, he needs to focus on the Anti-Federalists as opposed to the men who actually drafted the Constitution, which were almost exclusively members of the Federalist party. Ex- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist extrodinaire. Unfortunately for states' rights advocates, the goal of the Constitution was to gradually destroy American localism.

For a short speech, I suggest that he look into Thomas Jefferson's political theories, but zero in on James Madison. Madison and George Mason more or less wrote the Bill of Rights, which was NOT included in the original version of the Constitution, which was ratified in 1789. The Bill of Rights wasn't added on until 1791. In Madison's original draft of the First Amendment, there was a provision that would have allowed the individual states to essentially veto federal legislation that they disliked. Obviously, this portion of the proposed Amendment did not end up in the final draft that exists today, but it's an important point of contention that illustrates the diametrically opposed views of the Anti-Federalists, who favored states' rights, vs those of the dominant Federalist party, who preferred a strong central government.

Before I get a buncha shit flung at me, I know, I'm a know it all. I've learned to live with it, 'n if y'all don't like it, well, there's always ignore!

ShiningSkull · 10-25-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

Without getting into too much detail, the political theories of the Founders varied extensively, especially with respect to their feelings about the powers of the National and State governments. I'm assuming he wants to argue the states' rights side of things?

If that's the case, he needs to focus on the Anti-Federalists as opposed to the men who actually drafted the Constitution, which were almost exclusively members of the Federalist party. Ex- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist extrodinaire. Unfortunately for states' rights advocates, the goal of the Constitution was to gradually destroy American localism.

For a short speech, I suggest that he look into Thomas Jefferson's political theories, but zero in on James Madison. Madison and George Mason more or less wrote the Bill of Rights, which was NOT included in the original version of the Constitution, which was ratified in 1789. The Bill of Rights wasn't added on until 1791. In Madison's original draft of the First Amendment, there was a provision that would have allowed the individual states to essentially veto federal legislation that they disliked. Obviously, this portion of the proposed Amendment did not end up in the final draft that exists today, but it's an important point of contention that illustrates the diametrically opposed views of the Anti-Federalists, who favored states' rights, vs those of the dominant Federalist party, who preferred a strong central government.

And we think things are contentious now!

Nice background, VooDoo.

VooDoo Chile · 10-25-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ShiningSkull

And we think things are contentious now!

Nice background, VooDoo.

Thanks!

For real, I don't think contemporary Americans really get how divisive shit was back in the day. Didya know that back in, I believe 1798, Congressman Matthew Lyon got beaten with a cane on the floor of the House of Representatives? No joke. Today's politicians may not always be civil, but at least they don't resort to beating each other's asses anymore!

lwien · 10-25-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

Today's politicians may not always be civil, but at least they don't resort to beating each other's asses anymore!

They don't ?

YouTube - Politician Fight - Judo master
YouTube - Bolivia Parlament Fight
YouTube - The world's bestest figher in Taiwan

First one's the best.

jd123 · 10-25-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TangoChica

My son has to deliver the "pro Marijuana and hemp" speech in his college class. This class is based on reviewing today's laws and the constitution.
I have printed so much data for him that it is overwhelming. This is not just about medical use, but use in general.
Can everyone help me streamline the most factual documentation for the argument of total legalization of Marijuana and hemp.
Thanks from a Proud Mom!

rent the movie The Union: the buisness behind getting high. it goes into detail about prohibition and how and why its failed and has alot of good documented information on MJ and its history in the world and U.S and how safe it really is..

heres a quick online video on the history too

Weeds gives viewers a history lesson on America’s favorite crop : Showtime Fan - Showtime Fan – all your favorite Showtime programs from Weeds to the L-Word. Come for the latest news, stay for the great discussions!

P.S. how could i forget, if you can get your hands on a copy of Jack Herers book The Emporer Wheres No Clothes it has the largest collaboration of facts regarding hemp and marijuana and its uses, and also talks alot about prohibition and the scandels behind keeping it going.

VooDoo Chile · 10-25-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lwien

They don't ?

YouTube - Politician Fight - Judo master
YouTube - Bolivia Parlament Fight
YouTube - The world's bestest figher in Taiwan

First one's the best.

Okie Dokie Senor Sassy Pants, lemme rephrase that. American politicians don't resort to violence during legislative debates anymore. The rest o' them there furreners don't count!

So THERE!

lwien · 10-25-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

Okie Dokie Senor Sassy Pants, lemme rephrase that. American politicians don't resort to violence during legislative debates anymore. The rest o' them there furreners don't count!

So THERE!

YouTube - Alabama Senate Fight

So THERE !

VooDoo Chile · 10-25-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lwien

YouTube - Alabama Senate Fight

So THERE !

ShiningSkull · 10-28-2009, 03:39 AM

Don't know if you're still looking for info. Here's a bibliography from another student...

AskMarijuana: I've got to write a persuasive speech on marijuana reform. Anyone have any links to help me out? : Marijuana

Smilodon · 10-28-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lwien

YouTube - Alabama Senate Fight

So THERE !

Everyone knows that VDC is NEVER wrong, so I suggest you rearrange your facts to accommodate this eternal truth. We can't afford to have people starting to doubt VDC now!

VooDoo Chile · 10-28-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Smilodon

Everyone knows that VDC is NEVER wrong, so I suggest you rearrange your facts to accommodate this eternal truth. We can't afford to have people starting to doubt VDC now!

Yep, looks like it's time to exercise some Truthiness on this here Iwien fella! I've no choice but to call out the troops!

Smilodon · 10-28-2009, 03:28 PM

lol, lwien is holding in his bunker, Our Lady of WT is circling slowly. Have mercy on the poor soul. lmao

VooDoo Chile · 10-28-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Smilodon

lol, lwien is holding in his bunker, Our Lady of WT is circling slowly. Have mercy on the poor soul. lmao

Since you asked so nicely, I may consider a plea for mercy.

lwien · 10-30-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by VooDoo Chile

Since you asked so nicely, I may consider a plea for mercy.

Plea for mercy? Bah.....

VooDoo Chile · 10-30-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by lwien

Plea for mercy? Bah.....

Have it your way. Fuck diplomacy. I'll consider that a declaration of war.

Bring it on, I say!

lwien · 10-30-2009, 03:38 PM

VooDoo Chile · 10-30-2009, 03:41 PM

We need Smilodon to declare the winner. He seems like a neutral third party to me.

BTW, Smilodon, have I told you lately how wonderful ya are?????

10-24-2009, 11:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
TangoChica Every Day is an Adventure! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sonoma County Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 26 Rep Power: 1719	Marijuana and the Constitution My son has to deliver the "pro Marijuana and hemp" speech in his college class. This class is based on reviewing today's laws and the constitution. I have printed so much data for him that it is overwhelming. This is not just about medical use, but use in general. Can everyone help me streamline the most factual documentation for the argument of total legalization of Marijuana and hemp. Thanks from a Proud Mom!

10-25-2009, 12:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
*Pitjustice* The L.I.F.E. group Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On the journey towards the civilization of the universe Co-Op: Yes Vendor: No Patient: Yes Posts: 420 Rep Power: 447	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution Freedom! The only thing that gave the idea of a constitiution merit is to be a means to protect your right to your life, liberty and property (the pursuite of happyness). And is the only valid reason for its ( a constitution) existance/authority. And the use (religious, medical, recreational, industrial etc.) of mj is irrevalent with freedom, no one has the right to forcably deny it. No one ever has the right to initate theft, force or fraud. The only valid reason for force is in self-defence from someone who would do the above. And it does'nt matter your groups race, sex, culture, geografic location, numbers, badges or titles. No one else's opionions on these matters are valid. Pitjustice says..The creation, production and fair exchange of values is the business of consciousness, love and life. CJ I'm working with the L.I.F.E. group.

10-25-2009, 02:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
Greenbud WT Advanced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 1,096 Rep Power: 52260	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution The first drafts of the U.S. Constitution were made of hemp paper. Does that help? GB

10-25-2009, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Smilodon Part of the Solution Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,044 Rep Power: 62282	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution It was such a strong agricultural crop that many of our founding fathers grew it and used it. Smilodon says.. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."

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X Runner WT Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 204 Rep Power: 4551	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution During the beginning decades of this country, it was mandatory for all farmers to grow a stand of hemp for ships' riggings. And don't forget that during the Second World War our farmers were encouraged to grow hemp for the same reason.

10-25-2009, 01:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
TangoChica Every Day is an Adventure! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sonoma County Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 26 Rep Power: 1719	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution Thanks so far! I asked my son to be more specific. His class is currently talking about what the fathers thought of the power of the Federal Government vs. the State. His class is using the hottest topics today that challenge the power. He is to speak for 5 to 10 minutes on that the full legalization if the correct course of action. He is to site the major benefits, be it taxation, cost of law enforcement, agricultural, etc. I gave him so much info regarding the medical use, but I am lacking national benefits over and above medical use. Again, thanks for any help.

10-25-2009, 02:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
ShiningSkull real real gone Join Date: Mar 2008 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,238 Rep Power: 129898	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution TangoChica, here's a broad historical look at mj that your son may find useful as background. Need help explaining why weed should be legal?

10-28-2009, 03:39 AM	#17 (permalink)
ShiningSkull real real gone Join Date: Mar 2008 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,238 Rep Power: 129898	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution Don't know if you're still looking for info. Here's a bibliography from another student... AskMarijuana: I've got to write a persuasive speech on marijuana reform. Anyone have any links to help me out? : Marijuana

10-28-2009, 03:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
Smilodon Part of the Solution Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,044 Rep Power: 62282	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution lol, lwien is holding in his bunker, Our Lady of WT is circling slowly. Have mercy on the poor soul. lmao Smilodon says.. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."

10-30-2009, 03:38 PM	#24 (permalink)
lwien WT Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, Ca. Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 569 Rep Power: 18206	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution

10-30-2009, 03:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
VooDoo Chile Stoned Immaculate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Canoga Park, Fool Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 1,879 Rep Power: 113264	Re: Marijuana and the Constitution We need Smilodon to declare the winner. He seems like a neutral third party to me. BTW, Smilodon, have I told you lately how wonderful ya are????? VooDoo Chile says.."A Young Lady Raised in a Kooky Era"- ScrewyLewy

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