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joe32blow · 10-22-2009, 06:50 AM

So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take
down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and
thus are successful businesses.

But they are going to leave alone the coops that are overpriced and
provide lousy quality, so that no one wants to buy their product, so
they will end up going out of business.

The end result will be to force patients out onto the street to purchase.

It almost sounds like the LAPD have been given a directive from organized
crime to wipe the competition.

Opinions?

zbestwun2001 · 10-22-2009, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe32blow

So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take
down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and
thus are successful businesses.

But they are going to leave alone the coops that are overpriced and
provide lousy quality, so that no one wants to buy their product, so
they will end up going out of business.

The end result will be to force patients out onto the street to purchase.

It almost sounds like the LAPD have been given a directive from organized
crime to wipe the competition.

Opinions?

Please don't put out info that could be based on hearsay and rumors please.

joe32blow · 10-22-2009, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

Please don't put out info that could be based on hearsay and rumors please.

It's hearsay and rumors that the LAPD are going to take down
coops that are profitable? I don't think so. Cooley has stated such
himself.

rswsound · 10-22-2009, 07:06 AM

My thoughts exactly. Babylon BURN.

zbestwun2001 · 10-22-2009, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe32blow

So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take
down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and
thus are successful businesses.

But they are going to leave alone the coops that are overpriced and
provide lousy quality, so that no one wants to buy their product, so
they will end up going out of business.

T

This is hearsay... you have no facts but "people say" to back these facts.

Get your facts straight first.

People say is NOT a reliable source, sorry.

joe32blow · 10-22-2009, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

This is hearsay... you have no facts but "people say" to back these facts.

Get your facts straight first.

People say is NOT a reliable source, sorry.

Steve Cooley is a person. You are nit picking.

Smilodon · 10-22-2009, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe32blow

So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take
down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and
thus are successful businesses.

So your amended statement reads: So according to what STEVE COOLEY IS saying, the LAPD are going to take down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and thus are successful businesses.

When did he say he would close down successful coops? I thought he said they were all illegal and should be shut down?

mikebig 9078 · 10-22-2009, 07:54 AM

legalize.sign those petitions. vote ftp

zbestwun2001 · 10-22-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smilodon

So your amended statement reads: So according to what STEVE COOLEY IS saying, the LAPD are going to take down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and thus are successful businesses.

When did he say he would close down successful coops? I thought he said they were all illegal and should be shut down?

Don't call JoeBlow on details.
Hell, he'll just call you a nit picker also.

He don't know S*** from Shinola.

lwien · 10-22-2009, 08:04 AM

Another conspiracy theory, eh? While I agree that they're fun to think about, for the most part, they are total bullshit.

X Runner · 10-22-2009, 08:51 AM

NNCC was certainly a successful shop with a great reputation. But it was also a pre-ICO shop. The other shop was in Pacoima. The consensus among a trade group meeting I attended last night was that Pacoima was a post-ICO shop. There's your real message. It is irrelevant when shop went into business. Every shop in LA is at risk now. I just hope Cooley and the Sheriffs don't start getting frisky in the rest of the county.

AudiGuy · 10-22-2009, 09:07 AM

I agree with RSWSOUND

Burn Babylon Burn !!!

natefrogg · 10-22-2009, 09:15 AM

raid smells like corruption

CarlSagan · 10-22-2009, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe32blow

So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take
down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and
thus are successful businesses.

But they are going to leave alone the coops that are overpriced and
provide lousy quality, so that no one wants to buy their product, so
they will end up going out of business.

The end result will be to force patients out onto the street to purchase.

It almost sounds like the LAPD have been given a directive from organized
crime to wipe the competition.

Opinions?

I think this is a "rhetorical flourish". It may be hyperbolic, but I agree with the overall point.

1). It is worth noting that LAPD's most recent target is appears to have been a relatively successful enterprise (at least judging from the comments of fellow WTers).

2). I am not saying that LAPD is working with organized crime (I don't think they're that sophisticated), but one thing is true: These raids will have the direct impact of driving up sales on the black market. Organized criminals that traffic in weed must be cheering the LAPD on because the LAPD is handing them a monopoly on marijuana distribution!

Hyperbole is understandable given our persecution by the LAPD. But when dealing with the public and trying to enlighten others to the benefits of compassionate mmj policy, it helps to find something that you have in common with your opponent. Both MMJ Patients and anti-mmj, conservative law-and-order types, hate organized crime. The LAPD right now is helping organized crime, not because these two are working together, but because they share a common enemy...US (that is, us legitimate patients who want safe, legal access to affordable medicine).

Ninja-TC · 10-22-2009, 09:49 AM

I agree with CarlSagan.
It's posturing in my opinion.

tooweirdtolivetooraretodie · 10-22-2009, 10:52 AM

I'd have to agree with Carl here, it is unlikely that there is a conspiracy here. Even if there were one, conspiracies thrive on money. Suing the leo's involved, suing them personally not just the department, is the way to go here. Every one of the patients/members rights has been violated by the lapd yesterday. State law, which the involved courts would be bound to go by, favors the patients. That doesn't guarantee anything, but I like the odds. As I've said in other posts, rank and file cops are not necessarily bad people, they do a tough and in most cases, very needed job that not many people will do. Most don't want to make waves, they want their job, their scheduled raises in rank and pay grade, their health car benefits and hopefully to retire and go fishing on a pension. They'll tell you, it's not their job to change or debate laws, just enforce them or in many cases, their interpretation of the law. Open their wallets and their hearts and minds will follow.
Granted, the current situation is infuriating but that fury has to be belayed here to give way to rational and precise tactics. Fury will only benefit you in a head to head confrontation and that's not an option here.

AudiGuy · 10-22-2009, 11:09 AM

tooweirdtolive,

Very insightful and intelligent post. I agree the officers involved should be sued directly, sueing the LAPD is basically sueing innocent tax payers that end up getting the bill one way or another. Does any fellow WT have any experience in directly sueing a law enforcement offical ? If so please share your experience. How would one go about the task of obtaining the names of the officers involved ?

BrattonBasher · 10-22-2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AudiGuy

tooweirdtolive,

Very insightful and intelligent post. I agree the officers involved should be sued directly, sueing the LAPD is basically sueing innocent tax payers that end up getting the bill one way or another. Does any fellow WT have any experience in directly sueing a law enforcement offical ? If so please share your experience. How would one go about the task of obtaining the names of the officers involved ?

Sue them for doing their jobs? No way! You can't even sue the leaders, let alone the foot soldiers. What you do is EMBARRASS them. Point out the violent streets and neighborhoods we live in, and the waste of resources.

AudiGuy · 10-22-2009, 11:14 AM

WWHHD

Just saying it makes me laugh out loud !!!

Thanks Carl

***Pico+Barrington Collective*** · 10-22-2009, 11:22 AM

I have to agree in pointing out to the community leaders that these raids are only benefiting drug cartels....

studlysemite · 10-22-2009, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pico+Barrington Collective

I have to agree in pointing out to the community leaders that these raids are only benefiting drug cartels....

No, there are a lot of reasons to keep drugs illegal, or semi-black market, mainly more MONEY for cops as well.

Did anyone read this

How L.A. Became Overrun With Legal Marijuana | Newsweek National News | Newsweek.com

"They seized every ounce of marijuana, Beck says, about $500,000 worth, and all his cash too, about $25,000, though he later got an invoice from the DEA claiming they'd seized only $12,500. "Someone pocketed 12 grand," he says. "How corrupt is that?" A DEA spokesperson wouldn't address individual allegations..." (looks like the first one who opens the safe gets to inform the others how much cash they "recovered" as evidence).

Every time a collective is raided in Los Angeles, some cop ads to his kids' college fund.

BrattonBasher · 10-22-2009, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pico+Barrington Collective

I have to agree in pointing out to the community leaders that these raids are only benefiting drug cartels....

Why not BECOME a community leader! Just shut down for today and leave to City Hall. Be heard! Take everyone from the shop with you!

Justonevoice · 10-22-2009, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

Why not BECOME a community leader! Just shut down for today and leave to City Hall. Be heard! Take everyone from the shop with you!

I second that motion! Every collective in the City is threathened. What happened yesterday could be you tomorrow. Close down today bring as many of your patients,freinds and relitives and lets make some NOISE!

Justonevoice · 10-22-2009, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pico+Barrington Collective

I have to agree in pointing out to the community leaders that these raids are only benefiting drug cartels....

Quickly make signs that say exactly that and bring as many people as possible today and let your voice be heard!

BrattonBasher · 10-22-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justonevoice

I second that motion! Every collective in the City is threathened. What happened yesterday could be you tomorrow. Close down today bring as many of your patients,freinds and relitives and lets make some NOISE!

See you there Brother! I am risking getting a spanking from my boss, but I am freaking GOING!!!

10-22-2009, 06:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
joe32blow WT Regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hollywood, CA Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 429 Rep Power: 8399	LAPD raids smell like corruption So according to what people are saying, the LAPD are going to take down all the sucessful coops that provide good quality for a good price and thus are successful businesses. But they are going to leave alone the coops that are overpriced and provide lousy quality, so that no one wants to buy their product, so they will end up going out of business. The end result will be to force patients out onto the street to purchase. It almost sounds like the LAPD have been given a directive from organized crime to wipe the competition. Opinions?

10-22-2009, 07:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
rswsound Conquering Lion of Ganja Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Babylon Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 302 Rep Power: 7198	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption My thoughts exactly. Babylon BURN. rswsound says..IF YOU DON'T SMOKE IT DON'T GROW IT! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

10-22-2009, 07:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
mikebig 9078 WT Regular Join Date: May 2008 Location: san berdoo Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 144 Rep Power: 1176	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption legalize.sign those petitions. vote ftp

10-22-2009, 08:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
lwien WT Advanced Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Arcadia, Ca. Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 565 Rep Power: 18054	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption Another conspiracy theory, eh? While I agree that they're fun to think about, for the most part, they are total bullshit.

10-22-2009, 08:51 AM	#11 (permalink)
X Runner WT Regular Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 204 Rep Power: 4551	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption NNCC was certainly a successful shop with a great reputation. But it was also a pre-ICO shop. The other shop was in Pacoima. The consensus among a trade group meeting I attended last night was that Pacoima was a post-ICO shop. There's your real message. It is irrelevant when shop went into business. Every shop in LA is at risk now. I just hope Cooley and the Sheriffs don't start getting frisky in the rest of the county.

10-22-2009, 09:07 AM	#12 (permalink)
AudiGuy Hi, Im New! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern Babylon Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 33 Rep Power: 364	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption I agree with RSWSOUND Burn Babylon Burn !!!

10-22-2009, 09:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
natefrogg WT Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 257 Rep Power: 3157	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption raid smells like corruption

10-22-2009, 09:49 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ninja-TC Hi, Im New! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In a van...Down by the River. Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption I agree with CarlSagan. It's posturing in my opinion.

10-22-2009, 10:52 AM	#16 (permalink)
tooweirdtolivetooraretodie Space Monkey Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Pasadena Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 236 Rep Power: 10261	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption I'd have to agree with Carl here, it is unlikely that there is a conspiracy here. Even if there were one, conspiracies thrive on money. Suing the leo's involved, suing them personally not just the department, is the way to go here. Every one of the patients/members rights has been violated by the lapd yesterday. State law, which the involved courts would be bound to go by, favors the patients. That doesn't guarantee anything, but I like the odds. As I've said in other posts, rank and file cops are not necessarily bad people, they do a tough and in most cases, very needed job that not many people will do. Most don't want to make waves, they want their job, their scheduled raises in rank and pay grade, their health car benefits and hopefully to retire and go fishing on a pension. They'll tell you, it's not their job to change or debate laws, just enforce them or in many cases, their interpretation of the law. Open their wallets and their hearts and minds will follow. Granted, the current situation is infuriating but that fury has to be belayed here to give way to rational and precise tactics. Fury will only benefit you in a head to head confrontation and that's not an option here. Last edited by tooweirdtolivetooraretodie; 10-22-2009 at 11:03 AM..

10-22-2009, 11:09 AM	#17 (permalink)
AudiGuy Hi, Im New! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern Babylon Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 33 Rep Power: 364	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption tooweirdtolive, Very insightful and intelligent post. I agree the officers involved should be sued directly, sueing the LAPD is basically sueing innocent tax payers that end up getting the bill one way or another. Does any fellow WT have any experience in directly sueing a law enforcement offical ? If so please share your experience. How would one go about the task of obtaining the names of the officers involved ?

10-22-2009, 11:14 AM	#19 (permalink)
AudiGuy Hi, Im New! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern Babylon Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 33 Rep Power: 364	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption WWHHD Just saying it makes me laugh out loud !!! Thanks Carl

10-22-2009, 11:22 AM	#20 (permalink)
*Pico+Barrington Collective* WT Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Co-Op: Yes Vendor: No Patient: Yes Posts: 1,660 Rep Power: 40635	Re: LAPD raids smell like corruption I have to agree in pointing out to the community leaders that these raids are only benefiting drug cartels.... Pico+Barrington Collective says..I volunteer for Pico+Barrington Collective with pleasure ;)

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