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Old 09-02-2009, 05:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have lots of issues with co-ops and lack of providing professional services to the patients. The scales they are using are not legal for trade and no one is regulating them to see if they are weighing the medication properly. The moisture is not controlled in cannabis they are selling, so you could be paying up to $25.00 per gram of excess water in your medication. No one is testing for herbicides, and insecticides. Also no one is testing for the actual effective component of the medication which is THC and other effective Canniboids. This is all a Joke, our pets get more protection on the pet food they eat, than humans taking Cannabis as a medicine.
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Thats we are fighting for more rules and regulations for legal users of MMJ .
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I have lots of issues with co-ops and lack of providing professional services to the patients. The scales they are using are not legal for trade and no one is regulating them to see if they are weighing the medication properly. The moisture is not controlled in cannabis they are selling, so you could be paying up to $25.00 per gram of excess water in your medication. No one is testing for herbicides, and insecticides. Also no one is testing for the actual effective component of the medication which is THC and other effective Canniboids. This is all a Joke, our pets get more protection on the pet food they eat, than humans taking Cannabis as a medicine.


Do you have any suggestion on how to correct this problem?

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Re: Regulation and patient protection

first you need growing protection, hard to regulate how it is being grown if your venders are all underground. We need it to be krispy Kreme style (made in front of you) where you can actually see the operation without fear of prosecution. Patients are protected to medicate, coops protected to provide, except for the occasional raid, but the people that keep us medicated are left in the dog house, hoping thier little piece of paper can protect them from the man, but inside knowing that staying underground is the only protection you have. Many of the growers would be able to do a much better job producing if they didn't have to worry about every move they make. Just my view on the matter, peace everyone

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I have lots of issues with co-ops and lack of providing professional services to the patients. The scales they are using are not legal for trade and no one is regulating them to see if they are weighing the medication properly. The moisture is not controlled in cannabis they are selling, so you could be paying up to $25.00 per gram of excess water in your medication. No one is testing for herbicides, and insecticides. Also no one is testing for the actual effective component of the medication which is THC and other effective Canniboids. This is all a Joke, our pets get more protection on the pet food they eat, than humans taking Cannabis as a medicine.
I've heard of only a few places that actualy test the potency in terms of THC content. Otherwise, it's up to the people in charge at the dispensary to examine it thoroughly (with a microscope), sample it, and rely on their senses to determine the quality. It helps to know the patient or grower who produced it so you can know what was used and how it was grown. Most growers use safe/natural pesticides that are harmless. Keep in mind there is no goverment regulation. Which is good in my opinion. We have to rely on the co-ops and the growers that provide us with our meds to do a good job and to follow stricter guidelines when producing the cannabis. They risk the most since the feds and the local authorities don't respect the states law and they throw medical growers and collective owners in jail. So forget about testing and just be glad that there are still some places you can go to get your meds cause they may be gone tomorrow.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:24 AM   #6 (permalink)
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patients could demand their medication be weighed on legal for trade scales. There are moisture analyzers they could use to make sure they are not selling excess water as medication. Growers could test their material for THC and pesticides.
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How would i be able to test my meds . for THC level??? Have a great day! Ric
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patients could demand their medication be weighed on legal for trade scales. There are moisture analyzers they could use to make sure they are not selling excess water as medication. Growers could test their material for THC and pesticides.
Find a place you trust. I have a few that I can just trust completely. If the meds are a little moist, they give overage. I can trust these places to flush and cure my meds expertly. But the final responsibility lies with me and the knowledge I have accumulated.
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I have lots of issues with co-ops and lack of providing professional services to the patients. The scales they are using are not legal for trade and no one is regulating them to see if they are weighing the medication properly. The moisture is not controlled in cannabis they are selling, so you could be paying up to $25.00 per gram of excess water in your medication. No one is testing for herbicides, and insecticides. Also no one is testing for the actual effective component of the medication which is THC and other effective Canniboids. This is all a Joke, our pets get more protection on the pet food they eat, than humans taking Cannabis as a medicine.
Good points but would be better if you had some points to give on how to address these issues. Especially as to cost of equipment needed to complete this.

Until it is regulated on a federal level you will not see any of this go down. MMJ is the wild wild west right now and for some unknown reason we can not get our politicians to work with us
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Short of growing yourself, you can join/form a growing collective with other patients. When you are putting your hands on the plants from the beginning, you can get EXACTLY what you want.

Failing that, what BBasher said: develop a relationship with a dispensary you can trust, based on long-term performance.

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BTW, BBasher, what you gonna do now that your Moriarty is stepping down?

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Re: Regulation and patient protection

Actually many clubs in the bay area and sacramento have now began THC testing and testing for mold in a few ways some are gas chromatography/mass spectrometry, gas chromatography/flame ionization detection, and plate culture analysis the testing is then posted on all meds or you can ask your budtender the THC on your meds if not listed. This can also be done by the private grower by bringing a few grams of your meds to the collective and paying the fee then they will give you a report on THC, CBN and CBD also any pathogenic molds. This is new so the acuracy is yet to be determined but it seems very popular many clubs are doing it now.

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Short of growing yourself, you can join/form a growing collective with other patients. When you are putting your hands on the plants from the beginning, you can get EXACTLY what you want.

Failing that, what BBasher said: develop a relationship with a dispensary you can trust, based on long-term performance.

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BTW, BBasher, what you gonna do now that your Moriarty is stepping down?
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the state will come out and certify your scales for free you just have to call them and ask.

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Good Thinking, You Never Know What You're Really Gettin' And Really Have To Trust Where You're Shopping For Medicine, As They Say "Grow Your Own" As Far As That Goes I Would Much Rather Have A Govt. Ran Facility Regulated And Controlled On Growing Flowers for Medicinal Use And/Or Even Have A Pharmaceutical Industry Based Upon The Most Beneficial Effective Cannabinoids In The Plant ( If I Believe Correctly, There Are Thirty Of These Highly Effective Cannabinoids). If These Were To Be Synthesized I Have A Feelin' We Would Be Able To Eliminate Many Of The Medicine Used Today That Has A Base Heroin, Opiate, MDMA, Amphetamine And Such Toxins That Are Horrible For Human Ingestion.

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the state will come out and certify your scales for free you just have to call them and ask.
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Cannalytics test kit
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How much is that? the price is nowhere on the site.
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Re: Regulation and patient protection

I like the containers we get our meds in but they are made to suck out moisture, the containers should be different so the buds dont dry out so quick. I have glass jars that i put my meds in when I get home so that they continue to cure and stay in good condition, curing is another thing clubs dont do enough of. If we are paying so much, shouldnt our meds stay in better shape?

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How much is that? the price is nowhere on the site.
Here is where you buy it.

http://www.paradox.co.uk/acatalog/Ca...-Test-Kit.html

Only a minimal amount of sample (100 mg) is needed for total cannabinoid extraction.
The Cannalytics Kit contains enough for 12 individual tests.

Cost about $162.00 for the kit. For $13.80 per test it might be worth it if you grow. I'm saving my pennies now for one.

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Old 09-09-2009, 08:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Re: Regulation and patient protection

Unfortunately thin film chromatography and regents is a very poor way of testing cannabinoids. It simply isn't accurate or repeatable enough to give any worthwhile results. The Cannalyse kits have been proven to be so inaccurate that if the room temperature goes up by 5 degrees, you get a different reading. Even the same sample tested 3 times were different each time. That's not measuring, it's guessing.

Basically making bucks off of junk science.
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