[medikush]

It's VERY simple, no reason to analyze it. No rocket science required.

The reason Marijuana is illegal federally is due to one thing and one thing only:

REVENUE


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It works like this.

If Marijuana were able to be controlled, it could be required to grow it with chemicals, and pesticides, it could be required to have a license to sell it to the public to control the outbreak of problems asociated with growing it, just as in the case of Tobbacco. That would be money created in the venue.

The Re-Venue or Revenue is created through the taxation process. Taxation is higher because it's illegal. In other words, the tax for selling cannabis is the $100,000 Bailbond-Backed Charges being filed against you. That's much higher than a farmer pays for growing corn. The corn sales generate revenue in the public when the product is sold, but the Revenue is much higher when the product is illegal.

Now, included in the Revenue is the Police budget, the DEA budget, the prison funding mechanisms, the municipal funds collected, seizures of assets, etc. That creates a much higher Revenue for the system.

So, some products which allow for many controls, create lots of funds in the venue, but if it can't be controled easily, then the Revenue is more profitable in the underground market.

Either way, everything is done to create revenue in the system, and ever since the creation of the British East India Company, which later changed it's name to Washington D.C., under General Washington, who worked for the BEIC, all drugs have either been legal or illegal, but everything generates profit for the only legal drug trafficking corporation in the world, the CIA, a division of the Corporation of the United States of America, a subsidiary of the British East India Company.

But, regardless, if you don't agree or consent to contract, then none of it has any weight legally, as their law cannot operate against the private individual in their private capacity.

Where was I 200 years ago, and was I a member of the Continental Congress? Do you see my signature on that document?
Do you see my signature on ANY document that claims I am a member of the Corporation titled "United States" or "State of California"?
Well then, I am not a party to that contract? Am I?

[BrattonBasher]

LOL I thought you said simplistic. I don't know, but perhaps you are suggesting that siezures of Marijuana are hugely profitable for the Police and DEA, and a way of sustaining themselves. That is possible, but the government would stand to make alot more from legalization and taxation.

I am glad to say that I don't share your disdain and distrust of the good old USA! It aint perfect, but it sure as heck is the best. The CIA needs some changes obviously, but they are not a drug cartel. You don't have to love your country like I do, but showing a little appreciation for what you have might be in order.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

LOL I thought you said simplistic. I don't know, but perhaps you are suggesting that siezures of Marijuana are hugely profitable for the Police and DEA, and a way of sustaining themselves. That is possible, but the government would stand to make alot more from legalization and taxation.

I am glad to say that I don't share your disdain and distrust of the good old USA! It aint perfect, but it sure as heck is the best. The CIA needs some changes obviously, but they are not a drug cartel. You don't have to love your country like I do, but showing a little appreciation for what you have might be in order.

Maybe you could show some appreciation for the bulge in my pants brattonbasher. If not go troll somewhere else. I don't need to appreciate anything including your lack of knowledge and intellect. As a matter of fact, I have distain for your lack of knowledge and intellect, to the contrary.

Originally Posted by medikush

But, regardless, if you don't agree or consent to contract, then none of it has any weight legally, as their law cannot operate against the private individual in their private capacity.

Where was I 200 years ago, and was I a member of the Continental Congress? Do you see my signature on that document?
Do you see my signature on ANY document that claims I am a member of the Corporation titled "United States" or "State of California"?
Well then, I am not a party to that contract? Am I?

Excellent points raised, this is the only part I disagree with. These are the laws, not contracts so if you don't agree with them you can break them, try to change them or move to someplace more in line with your values. No one signs a contract promising not to kill people but murders will still be locked up.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by kind buddha

Excellent points raised, this is the only part I disagree with. These are the laws, not contracts so if you don't agree with them you can break them, try to change them or move to someplace more in line with your values. No one signs a contract promising not to kill people but murders will still be locked up.

The problem here is that many people simply don't understand the laws.
If you kill someone, there is an injured party. Then there is a "cause of action".

Without an "injured party", and no "cause of action", there is NO Contract whatsoever, implied or expressed.

Without a contract and without an injured party, the only thing left is a "controversy".

What happens next is that an officer acting in a corporate capacity out on the highway looking to extract "revenue" for the corporation, pulls you over, smells Marijuana and decides to arrest you.

THIS IS WHERE THE CONTRACT STARTS, ONLY PROBLEM ......YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF IT.

Next, your in court, and it's the officer who is making a "claim" and that is where the controversy lies, which gives the court jurisdiction.

I happen to know for a fact, that someone who displays correctly, the attitude and approach, and places into the record, into evidence, that they are NOT contracting, and do not give consent, and do not agree to accept the offer to contract......do not sign anything, do not waive your rights whatsoever.......those people walk free, since there is no binding obligation.

I know this stuff, I do it myself. I am not talking hypothetical or philosophically here. This is the way the system works. If you hire a lawyer, you are contracting THROUGH your lawyer, to do business with the state and federal government. It's all a trick. I know this for a fact.

You MUST expressly Waive all benefits of the corporation and place it into the record. You MUST file in affidavit form a statement of truth, stating that you DO NOT consent to contract, or consent to the court hearing. This must be placed into evidence. then there is nothing they can move on you with.

Those are the facts.

[medikush]

"Government derives it's authority from the CONSENT of the governed"

Otherwise it's outright slavery, then we have the license to kill them all.

As a researcher, there have even been cases I have followed and studied, in which the defendent was convicted by a jury, and upon sentencing, the defendent stated to the judge that he did not consent to go to jail. The judge told him, "then I'll order you to report for jail", and if you don't go, then we'll bring new charges against you." Implying that the old charges are no longer any good and there would be a new set of charges brought against him.

Another time, a defendent claimed he did not consent to go to jail, and the judge asked him what does he consent to? and he replied I agree to go home and not to break this code violation again, and so the judge ordered exactly that. At the sentencing.

If you ever notice, the court ALWAYS HAS TO GET YOU TO AGREE......ever notice this?

Do you Understand the charges that have been brought against you?

Have you made this plea knowingly, and voluntarily, without any coercion?

Do you understand that if you agree to accept this plea bargain, (contract), that you will forfeit your right to bring up any defense...blah blah blah....

Tell me I don't know what i'm talking about.......and we might have to start an online legal schooling thread for some of you guys.......

[surfduck420]

Originally Posted by medikush

Maybe you could show some appreciation for the bulge in my pants brattonbasher. If not go troll somewhere else. I don't need to appreciate anything including your lack of knowledge and intellect. As a matter of fact, I have distain for your lack of knowledge and intellect, to the contrary.

WHY ARE YOU MAD? U SAY YOUR A VENDOR ITS SOUNDS LIKE YOU WILL LOSE IF IT BECOMES LEGEL FOR EVERYONE ALL OVER THE U.S.A CAN YOU COMPETE WITH THE TOBBACO COMPANYS

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

LOL I thought you said simplistic. I don't know, but perhaps you are suggesting that siezures of Marijuana are hugely profitable for the Police and DEA, and a way of sustaining themselves. That is possible, but the government would stand to make alot more from legalization and taxation.

I am glad to say that I don't share your disdain and distrust of the good old USA! It aint perfect, but it sure as heck is the best. The CIA needs some changes obviously, but they are not a drug cartel. You don't have to love your country like I do, but showing a little appreciation for what you have might be in order.

i stand right there beside you my brother. yeah it's no perfect. Nothing in this world is. i would still die for this country and anybody in it. i am thankful for whatever i have. it's not much. a home, a beautiful family, and food and needed meds. that's enough for me.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by surfduck420

WHY ARE YOU MAD? U SAY YOUR A VENDOR ITS SOUNDS LIKE YOU WILL LOSE IF IT BECOMES LEGEL FOR EVERYONE ALL OVER THE U.S.A CAN YOU COMPETE WITH THE TOBBACO COMPANYS

What makes you think i'm mad?
I can't stand brattonbasher and his brainlessbashing, that's all. He's a troll, and a nitwit.

Cannabis should be legal. Plain and simple. It should be free to grow, and consume like any other commodity like corn. Only selfish, and greedy people would place their personal interest over the interest of the planet and the people.

The government is not a government at all. It's a corporation since 1871. There is no government, and everything is corporate rule, by proxy...the proxy being people's lack of knowledge of history and law.

[surfduck420]

Originally Posted by medikush

What makes you think i'm mad?
I can't stand brattonbasher and his brainlessbashing, that's all. He's a troll, and a nitwit.

Cannabis should be legal. Plain and simple. It should be free to grow, and consume like any other commodity like corn. Only selfish, and greedy people would place their personal interest over the interest of the planet and the people.

The government is not a government at all. It's a corporation since 1871. There is no government, and everything is corporate rule, by proxy...the proxy being people's lack of knowledge of history and law.

WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT IT WILL BE LEGAL SOON FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY, IF WE HAD A CANIDATE WHO WOULD MAKE IT LEGAL HE
WOULD WIN

[Young Chi]

It makes sense for MMJ to be outlawed federally due to revenue. I mean, if mmj were legal, and the government set up a system which taxed and controlled the money associated with distribution, they would have to know that anyone could just as easily grow quality mmj and sell it themselves, thus reducing possible revenue the government can attain. Thus, they outlaw MMJ altogether until they construct a system in which they benefit from the sale and distribution of MMj as much as possible. But this is only one way to look at it.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by surfduck420

WE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT IT WILL BE LEGAL SOON FOR EVERYONE TO ENJOY, IF WE HAD A CANIDATE WHO WOULD MAKE IT LEGAL HE
WOULD WIN

I agree.
Only problem is that any candidate who would legalize and claimed such, would be singled out before they could win, and kept from winning, in all likelyhood, because there are more people who vote who do not want it legal than there are people who smoke, and vote and want to legalize.

At least, that is how it's been in the past. But things are changing, fortunately. I just don't think they have changed that far yet.

Sign Jack Here's Hemp Initiative for California. That will legalize for the State of California. It's all inclusive, and allows for release of prisoners incarcerated on cannabis ONLY related crimes.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by Young Chi

It makes sense for MMJ to be outlawed federally due to revenue. I mean, if mmj were legal, and the government set up a system which taxed and controlled the money associated with distribution, they would have to know that anyone could just as easily grow quality mmj and sell it themselves, thus reducing possible revenue the government can attain. Thus, they outlaw MMJ altogether until they construct a system in which they benefit from the sale and distribution of MMj as much as possible. But this is only one way to look at it.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY, EXACTLY, ...........


What i'm saying........Thank you.

[surfduck420]

Originally Posted by medikush

I agree.
Only problem is that any candidate who would legalize and claimed such, would be singled out before they could win, and kept from winning, in all likelyhood, because there are more people who vote who do not want it legal than there are people who smoke, and vote and want to legalize.

At least, that is how it's been in the past. But things are changing, fortunately. I just don't think they have changed that far yet.

Sign Jack Here's Hemp Initiative for California. That will legalize for the State of California. It's all inclusive, and allows for release of prisoners incarcerated on cannabis ONLY related crimes.

WHERE DO I SIGN,

[medikush]

Originally Posted by surfduck420

WHERE DO I SIGN,

The clubs should have them. But not all of them do yet, and some probably won't carry them.

I'm pretty certain that Berkeley carries it, on San Pablo, and also Harberside should be carrying it. I know those two should have it. Down south, not sure yet.
When there's less rain you'll probably see some petitioners by whole foods and trader joes and some supermarkets and concerts in the near future. It just started and lasts through April 15, to try to place it on the ballot.

[surfduck420]

Originally Posted by medikush

The clubs should have them. But not all of them do yet, and some probably won't carry them.

I'm pretty certain that Berkeley carries it, on San Pablo, and also Harberside should be carrying it. I know those two should have it. Down south, not sure yet.
When there's less rain you'll probably see some petitioners by whole foods and trader joes and some supermarkets and concerts in the near future. It just started and lasts through April 15, to try to place it on the ballot.

THX I'M GONNA TRY AND HELP COLLECT SIGNATURES DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH BAY

[medikush]

Originally Posted by surfduck420

THX I'M GONNA TRY AND HELP COLLECT SIGNATURES DOWN HERE IN THE SOUTH BAY

get in touch with the youth federation in Santa Cruz Mikey J.

He's got petitions in the south bay.

youthfederation.com
831-252-hemp


and a BIG THANK YOU!!!!!

BTW, in the North Bay area, you can call 510-689-8857 to get petitions or stop by the East Bay office at 2631 Fulton in Berkeley...I believe that's the location and phone for the office. I was told to call first before stopping by, to make sure someone's there.
I think you'll be able to sign the initiative there also. Or get petitions to circulate. (Preferably, of course)

Originally Posted by medikush

As a researcher, there have even been cases I have followed and studied, in which the defendent was convicted by a jury, and upon sentencing, the defendent stated to the judge that he did not consent to go to jail. The judge told him, "then I'll order you to report for jail", and if you don't go, then we'll bring new charges against you." Implying that the old charges are no longer any good and there would be a new set of charges brought against him.

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The government is not a government at all. It's a corporation since 1871. There is no government, and everything is corporate rule, by proxy...the proxy being people's lack of knowledge of history and law.

I'll admit I have haven't heard about these two claims before. Do you have any documentation to support this that I can read for myself? websites, books, newspaper articles etc...

If this is true then I've learned something new and I thank you for it, but I need to process facts and records to make a judgment. If you can't back it up with hard evidence it's just a random guy on the internet.

[medikush]

Originally Posted by kind buddha

I'll admit I have haven't heard about these two claims before. Do you have any documentation to support this that I can read for myself? websites, books, newspaper articles etc...

If this is true then I've learned something new and I thank you for it, but I need to process facts and records to make a judgment. If you can't back it up with hard evidence it's just a random guy on the internet.

That's all I am , a random guy on the internet.

Not interested in proving anything to anyone.

Your education is not my responsibility. I educated myself, and studied law for 15 years off and on. There are lots of things you don't know, but unless you go out and learn it for yourself, it won't make any difference.

I've been an activist for nearly 20 years now. I know better than to fall for the "prove it to me" stuff. If you wanted to know, you would know by now. If I show you something, and it's the truth, it still won't matter if you don't research it for yourself. The stuff I've studied for years is all over the internet if you look for it.

I'm not going to condense 15 years of study into one response, tailored to suit you. If you have a specific question, I may be able to answer it. Or provide some background info.

No blanket prove it to me stuff though, i'm not going for that.

so I'm an idiot for not already knowing, and, for asking where I can find more information on the subject?

did I ask you to sum up all of your knowledge in one post? or did I ask for direction on where I can find the information to process myself?

[medikush]

Originally Posted by kind buddha

so I'm an idiot for not already knowing, and, for asking where I can find more information on the subject?

did I ask you to sum up all of your knowledge in one post? or did I ask for direction on where I can find the information to process myself?

My apologies, but it's a very broad subject you are asking iabout information for.
I didn't mean to sound rude. But, I have been asked for years to "prove it or back it up" on all kinds of subjects.

What exactly do you want to know more about?

Unfortunately in most cases involving people who "slip through the cracks" as they call it...there is no record, otherwise, everyone would be doing it by now. That is how they keep people from finding out the truth.

In most cases, the only time there is s record, is if someone makes a win, in the appeal, and it becoems a decision. Then the case gets published.

Many times, when someone presents information or uses this kind of strategy, the judge will call a recess, clear the courtroom, and settlement and everything is usually made off the record.

Also, remember, there is a "Private" side of the court, and a "public" side. The "evidence" file is the private side, but usually nothing gets put in there, unless it's by the prosecution, because most people don;t even know about the evidence file being seperate and you have to request it be placed there otherwise they place it in the public file.

This makes a big difference when it comes to "viewing public records".

Wins are seldom published.

I do have one case though and I will bring it to the forum and publish it here shortly after I find it. It involves hauling marijuana and federal law, and commercial driivers licenses, which are contractual, and the whole case was won on the principle of the lack of license (hence lack of contract) alone, involving 70 lbs of cannabis.

I will find that one and publish it here by tomorrow or sunday at the latest.
That should PROVE something to someone, and if it doesn't, I really don't care.

I will also provide some links for you to do further research. but mind you, if youre not inclined already to study law and freedom, it's unlikely you'll start now, but let's see what happens. Maybe there's a spark of freedom attempting to ignite right here and now.

[shecky7]

I find it amusing and disheartening that so many who say they "love their country" have NO CLUE AT ALL regarding the "operating procedures". Best listen up to Medikush, these words ring true.

[Lucas Jackson]

Yes...cash rules everything around me...that is easy to see...There are many underlying factors...but money is A#1...

[Frankie]

You are an idiot, Medikush. You haven't a clue about what you're spewing your shit about.

Read some civics and government books and get your mind right. You sound like an educated moron on acid with this "corporation" shit. Don't you know that all governments are corporations, dating back to the Etruscans, Romans, Egyptians, Greeks, etc.?

This is nothing new. In the US, all states, counties, cities, local agencies and what-have-you are corporations. This is also true across the world in any democracy. Have you ever even had a civics class?

So take your misinformation elsewhere. I don't care how many umpteen years you've been doing research - blah, blah, blah - your basic tenets are bullshit so everything else that follows is bullshit well.

[camster626]

I alway thought that Marijuana continues to be illegal because the income gained through Grants/Funding to fight the War on Drugs far surpasses the revenue they could make by legal taxation.

I appreciate the points of view shared in this thread...Food for thought...Thanks All.