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BrattonBasher · 11-13-2009, 10:35 AM

Commerce Online Announces Agreement With RedFin Network For Medical Marijuana Dispensary Pre-Paid Loyalty Card Program

Corporations want in. They know we are here to stay!

***sunnydaycollective*** · 11-13-2009, 10:37 AM

pre-paid mmj is this the answer to all of our problems with over the counter purchases?

BrattonBasher · 11-13-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sunnydaycollective

pre-paid mmj is this the answer to all of our problems with over the counter purchases?

Thats what the money folks seem to think!

kgbud1 · 11-13-2009, 10:52 AM

Oh we pay them instead of the club that makes sense

So they can make some profit on sales too

Oh wait the city doesn't want you to sell it

This is really starting to make sense now

Kgbud1

***sunnydaycollective*** · 11-13-2009, 10:55 AM

kgbud.....You are right. It is absolutely absurd to involve any corporate aspect to our community. One fight at a time. The first matter at hand is to concentrate on Nov. 16th and my prediction is that City Hall will be incompetent and as inept as they always have been which will lead to more delays months and months ahead of us before any ordinance gets proposed.

Hectonic · 11-13-2009, 11:06 AM

I don't think this card is meant to be a solution to any problems but rather another step toward legitimising our movement through the inclusion of national corporate interests. However, I don't think these cards should be anything more than an OPTION. I don't believe legally they could be made mandatory due to exclusivity laws, but I would oppose any effort to make the card a requirement. Honestly though, I don't see much draw to use the card on a voluntary basis anyway. Why would someone want to tie up his/her cash on a card that you can only use at a specific dispensary when you can take the state card anywhere?

jonnyb123 · 11-13-2009, 02:23 PM

"Money Make Me ***" That's How The Corps. Are They Want In! If They Want In They Need To Give Out

**DankJews** · 11-13-2009, 09:15 PM

Hahaha Jonnyb Indeed, Money Does Make Them ***....I Always Had A Feeling For It To Some How Become A Legalized Product It Would Have To Be Run By Some Sort Of Corporate Entity, Just Like Pharmaceuticals, Alcohol, Tobacco And Many Other Products Similar Are Sold.

.:Stay Medicated:.

BabyBoomer · 11-13-2009, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hectonic

I don't think this card is meant to be a solution to any problems but rather another step toward legitimising our movement through the inclusion of national corporate interests. However, I don't think these cards should be anything more than an OPTION. I don't believe legally they could be made mandatory due to exclusivity laws, but I would oppose any effort to make the card a requirement. Honestly though, I don't see much draw to use the card on a voluntary basis anyway. Why would someone want to tie up his/her cash on a card that you can only use at a specific dispensary when you can take the state card anywhere?

I noticed that as well, the card for only one specific dispensary . . .

The Commerce Online branded, pre-paid loyalty and ID card will be marketed through our new Collective Card Services division, and may be loaded to any denomination of funds with direct deposit at local bank, via the Internet, POS system by the member of the collective or medical dispensary.

Thanks BB for the post.

CarlSagan · 11-14-2009, 06:15 AM

But the real question is...

Can we get Commerce Bank to lobby on our behalf?

I don't like the idea of teaming up with corporations...and I dont know if this would stop co-ops from being raided but...

Think of it this way... Corporations (unfortunately) have more influence on policy makers than individuals or grassroots orgs (especially a stigmatized group like us mmj patients).

If Commerce wants to jump in and work with co-ops both financially and politically, then I welcome them aboard!

Smilodon · 11-14-2009, 07:31 AM

I don't see it as much different than a credit card, the corp takes 2% for the transaction.

I am not sure I like the idea of any big corporations getting in the act, but and if we are going to be realistic if MMJ continues to grow something like this may evolve anyway. Some shops are taking credit cards now paying the 2% for the service. Maybe there is a way to make this work for us. I am simply not sure if the good outweighs the bad.

mikesong · 11-14-2009, 11:14 AM

Good thing there's not a chance in hell anyone will use this.

Justonevoice · 11-14-2009, 11:31 AM

They are not the first to do this Medical Marijuana Inc. now traded on the USSE has been working on this for awhile now. Care of "The King of Pot" Bruce Perlowin

Solutions : Medical Marijuana, Inc.

cephas · 11-14-2009, 11:40 AM

The idea is interesting...it skirts the law basically, utilizing loopholes...not a bad idea, other than the added costs to the Co-op/Collective,

Truth is, this is the way the world is heading....load the card online while at home, head out to the store, never carry cash, never go to an ATM, pre-plan your spending....I don't like it, see no need for it, especially with debit cards, regardless...

mikesong · 11-14-2009, 11:53 AM

This is a cash business, even Jerry Brown agrees and that will never change for many reasons. Next thing you know they'll be trying to sell cards to the mob to facilitate shakedowns of shops.

Justonevoice · 11-14-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesong

This is a cash business, even Jerry Brown agrees and that will never change for many reasons. Next thing you know they'll be trying to sell cards to the mob to facilitate shakedowns of shops.

Dude it kinda sounded like you just put us in the car with organized crime

Juba · 11-14-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

Commerce Online Announces Agreement With RedFin Network For Medical Marijuana Dispensary Pre-Paid Loyalty Card Program

Corporations want in. They know we are here to stay!

This appears to be a desperation move by a company on the verge of bankruptcy. Commerce Online (CMIB) is currently selling for $0.17 a share on Pink Sheets OTC (where stocks go when they are delisted on the exchanges because they are practically worthless).

VooDoo Chile · 11-14-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Justonevoice

Dude it kinda sounded like you just put us in the car with organized crime

Are you talkin' ta me? Are you talkin' ta ME? There's nobody else around here. Ya MUST be talkin' ya me!

cephas · 11-14-2009, 01:21 PM

any relation to organized crime, is obviously mis-stated....after-all, you can't get much more unorganized than us.....

anotherdimension13 · 11-15-2009, 11:42 AM

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any relation to organized crime, is obviously mis-stated....after-all, you can't get much more unorganized than us.....

The guvmint is organized crime.

Promises, promises.

VooDoo Chile · 11-15-2009, 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anotherdimension13

The guvmint is organized crime.

Promises, promises.

Have you been listening to Michele Bachmann again?

TangoChica · 11-15-2009, 09:42 PM

Personally,
Anything electronic is a way to track what and when and where you are going and I don't like it! Even my banker told me that everyone should use the ATM to get cash and spend the cash only. Every time you use a debit card, you are painting a picture of your life style and habits. In the wrong hands, this is dangerous. For businesses, this is a loss of an average of 3% including all the transactions fees. Use cash as much as possible!!

peacefulIRIEfeelin · 11-16-2009, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrattonBasher

Commerce Online Announces Agreement With RedFin Network For Medical Marijuana Dispensary Pre-Paid Loyalty Card Program

Corporations want in. They know we are here to stay!

yeah thats what we want. corporations controlling mmj. i am so against this.

mikesong · 11-16-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by peacefulIRIEfeelin

yeah thats what we want. corporations controlling mmj. i am so against this.

could you be any more stereotypically stupid?

***MedMar*** · 11-16-2009, 04:03 PM

If we let big corporations in, in any form, we will lose all the footing we have in this industry as it is. I say no to pre-paid vendors and no to big brother trying to steal our business. There is no room for corporations in medical marijuana.

11-13-2009, 10:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
BrattonBasher Weed Wizard Of Westwood Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santa Monica Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 8,272 Rep Power: 312754	Here Come The Beancounters Commerce Online Announces Agreement With RedFin Network For Medical Marijuana Dispensary Pre-Paid Loyalty Card Program Corporations want in. They know we are here to stay!

11-13-2009, 10:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
*sunnydaycollective* WT Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ca Co-Op: YES Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 292 Rep Power: 20525	Re: Here Come The Beancounters pre-paid mmj is this the answer to all of our problems with over the counter purchases?

11-13-2009, 10:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
kgbud1 WT Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gardena Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 418 Rep Power: 89915	Re: Here Come The Beancounters Oh we pay them instead of the club that makes sense So they can make some profit on sales too Oh wait the city doesn't want you to sell it This is really starting to make sense now Kgbud1 kgbud1 says..A quote from Marc Emery: Plant the Seeds Of Freedom Over Grow the Government To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Free Marc Emery To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-13-2009, 10:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
*sunnydaycollective* WT Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ca Co-Op: YES Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 292 Rep Power: 20525	Re: Here Come The Beancounters kgbud.....You are right. It is absolutely absurd to involve any corporate aspect to our community. One fight at a time. The first matter at hand is to concentrate on Nov. 16th and my prediction is that City Hall will be incompetent and as inept as they always have been which will lead to more delays months and months ahead of us before any ordinance gets proposed.

11-13-2009, 11:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hectonic Hi, Im New! Join Date: Sep 2009 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: Yes Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Re: Here Come The Beancounters I don't think this card is meant to be a solution to any problems but rather another step toward legitimising our movement through the inclusion of national corporate interests. However, I don't think these cards should be anything more than an OPTION. I don't believe legally they could be made mandatory due to exclusivity laws, but I would oppose any effort to make the card a requirement. Honestly though, I don't see much draw to use the card on a voluntary basis anyway. Why would someone want to tie up his/her cash on a card that you can only use at a specific dispensary when you can take the state card anywhere?

11-13-2009, 02:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
jonnyb123 ASA!!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2006 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 34 Rep Power: 1424	Re: Here Come The Beancounters "Money Make Me ***" That's How The Corps. Are They Want In! If They Want In They Need To Give Out

11-13-2009, 09:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
DankJews Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,096 Rep Power: 0	Re: Here Come The Beancounters Hahaha Jonnyb Indeed, Money Does Make Them ***....I Always Had A Feeling For It To Some How Become A Legalized Product It Would Have To Be Run By Some Sort Of Corporate Entity, Just Like Pharmaceuticals, Alcohol, Tobacco And Many Other Products Similar Are Sold. .:Stay Medicated:.

11-14-2009, 06:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
CarlSagan PhD in THC Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Holy Inland Empire Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: Yes Posts: 362 Rep Power: 34801	Re: Here Come The Beancounters But the real question is... Can we get Commerce Bank to lobby on our behalf? I don't like the idea of teaming up with corporations...and I dont know if this would stop co-ops from being raided but... Think of it this way... Corporations (unfortunately) have more influence on policy makers than individuals or grassroots orgs (especially a stigmatized group like us mmj patients). If Commerce wants to jump in and work with co-ops both financially and politically, then I welcome them aboard! CarlSagan says..WWHHD? What Would Huell Howser Do??? To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-14-2009, 07:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
Smilodon Part of the Solution Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Diego Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 1,223 Rep Power: 154582	Re: Here Come The Beancounters I don't see it as much different than a credit card, the corp takes 2% for the transaction. I am not sure I like the idea of any big corporations getting in the act, but and if we are going to be realistic if MMJ continues to grow something like this may evolve anyway. Some shops are taking credit cards now paying the 2% for the service. Maybe there is a way to make this work for us. I am simply not sure if the good outweighs the bad. Smilodon says.. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. "If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem." San Diego Medical Marijuana Task Force, Patient Member San Diego A.S.A. Advisory Board, Member

11-14-2009, 11:14 AM	#12 (permalink)
mikesong WT Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 138 Rep Power: 9434	Re: Here Come The Beancounters Good thing there's not a chance in hell anyone will use this.

11-14-2009, 11:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Justonevoice The intuition of free will gives us the truth. Join Date: Sep 2007 Co-Op: No Vendor: No Patient: Yes Posts: 2,891 Rep Power: 102023	Re: Here Come The Beancounters They are not the first to do this Medical Marijuana Inc. now traded on the USSE has been working on this for awhile now. Care of "The King of Pot" Bruce Perlowin Solutions : Medical Marijuana, Inc. Justonevoice says.." To taste the real flavor of success, we must combine failures, passions and courage all together in one action." Johni Pangalila

11-14-2009, 11:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
cephas ya say it, Sea-f-ahs. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: in a state of flux. Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 627816	Re: Here Come The Beancounters The idea is interesting...it skirts the law basically, utilizing loopholes...not a bad idea, other than the added costs to the Co-op/Collective, Truth is, this is the way the world is heading....load the card online while at home, head out to the store, never carry cash, never go to an ATM, pre-plan your spending....I don't like it, see no need for it, especially with debit cards, regardless... cephas says..I get it. Flying cars are impractical. Jet packs burn off your legs below the shin. Robot's involve power cells and AI algorithms that haven't been invented yet. Alright. How about trustworthy politicians? Why can't we get some of those?

11-14-2009, 11:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
mikesong WT Regular Join Date: Jun 2007 Co-Op: NO Vendor: NO Patient: YES Posts: 138 Rep Power: 9434	Re: Here Come The Beancounters This is a cash business, even Jerry Brown agrees and that will never change for many reasons. Next thing you know they'll be trying to sell cards to the mob to facilitate shakedowns of shops.

11-14-2009, 01:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
cephas ya say it, Sea-f-ahs. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: in a state of flux. Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 2,198 Rep Power: 627816	Re: Here Come The Beancounters any relation to organized crime, is obviously mis-stated....after-all, you can't get much more unorganized than us..... cephas says..I get it. Flying cars are impractical. Jet packs burn off your legs below the shin. Robot's involve power cells and AI algorithms that haven't been invented yet. Alright. How about trustworthy politicians? Why can't we get some of those?

11-15-2009, 09:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
TangoChica Every Day is an Adventure! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Sonoma County Co-Op: no Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 85 Rep Power: 2964	Re: Here Come The Beancounters Personally, Anything electronic is a way to track what and when and where you are going and I don't like it! Even my banker told me that everyone should use the ATM to get cash and spend the cash only. Every time you use a debit card, you are painting a picture of your life style and habits. In the wrong hands, this is dangerous. For businesses, this is a loss of an average of 3% including all the transactions fees. Use cash as much as possible!!

11-16-2009, 04:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
*MedMar* We are a 21+ Collective Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Costa Mesa, CA Co-Op: yes Vendor: no Patient: yes Posts: 296 Rep Power: 3761	Re: Here Come The Beancounters If we let big corporations in, in any form, we will lose all the footing we have in this industry as it is. I say no to pre-paid vendors and no to big brother trying to steal our business. There is no room for corporations in medical marijuana. MedMar says..I volunteer for Med Mar Patient Care Collective

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