Organic, free of chemicals, pesticides. Safer for us patients, safer for the environment.

Cannabis is non-toxic and has been safely used for thousands of years. Prohibition in the last few decades has forced indoor growing- artificial lights and more chemicals to combat the different challenges of indoor grow. Growers forcing faster growth with mega nutrients, all unnatural compared to good old outdoor organic. I trust nature's way of soil, water, sun- humans generally muck up the natural plan. Nothing tastes better than clean, organic cannabis.

Many in our community worry more about low prices and mega potency. Understandable, as many of us have been affected by the economic downturn. Also, for the very ill, potency is a necessity. However, we shouldn't trade safety for low prices and potency. If we unite as a community, we can have it all- safe, potent, organic meds at a good price.

Many think that just because it's MMJ and from a coop, that it's magically safer than the cannabis sold on the streets. That's not always the case. Especially with some of the shadier coops out there.

As a community, we need to demand the safest meds we can get! Safety over profit and greed. Patronize coops that carry organic meds, with "Clean Green" certification being the closest we have to organic certification.

[Smokus Cannabis]

Originally Posted by Lifeshape

Organic, free of chemicals, pesticides. Safer for us patients, safer for the environment.

Cannabis is non-toxic and has been safely used for thousands of years. Prohibition in the last few decades has forced indoor growing- artificial lights and more chemicals to combat the different challenges of indoor grow. Growers forcing faster growth with mega nutrients, all unnatural compared to good old outdoor organic. I trust God's way of soil, water, sun- humans generally muck up God's natural plan. Nothing tastes better than clean, organic cannabis.

Many in our community worry more about low prices and mega potency. Understandable, as many of us have been affected by the economic downturn. Also, for the very ill, potency is a necessity. However, we shouldn't trade safety for low prices and potency. If we unite as a community, we can have it all- safe, potent, organic meds at a good price.

Many think that just because it's MMJ and from a coop, that it's magically safer than the cannabis sold on the streets. That's not always the case. Especially with some of the shadier coops out there.

As a community, we need to demand the safest meds we can get! Safety over profit and greed. Patronize coops that carry organic meds, with "Clean Green" certification being the closest we have to organic certification.

If a WTer finds a coop with organic, truly organic and not BS, let the rest of us know.

Thanks for bringing up the issue. I've been to two co-ops here on WT that say they only sell organic meds. How do I know they are organic? I don't. I'm not sure what "Clean Green" means, if there's some kind of process, if it is hard to get ,or can anyone plunk down a little money and get the certificate? etc. etc. etc.
Truth is nobody is watching over this stuff to see if it's safe, as far as I know. Look at any of these "organic" co-ops selling earwax and goo - butane extracts. This is not organic. When I see an organic co-op selling that stuff, I never go back.

I've tried two organic co-ops here on WT; Sunland Organic Pharmacy (SOP), and Van Nuys Organic (VNO), and I liked them both. Both claimed to only sell organic meds. I could be mistaken, but VNO has a grower who is Clean Green Certified.

One guy here on WT said that the only way to make sure what you're smoking is organic is to grow it yourself. Not all of us have that luxury. Uniting as a community is a great idea, but will the shadier among us go along? Doubtful. The only thing I can think of that would assure us of a truly organic product when they say it is would be regulation. It seems most co-op owners and workers do not want it this way. Makes me wonder what they have to hide. If we do it for our food, and all our other medicine, why not with weed? It's a medicine, and can be a food as well, as many of you well know.
Of course, at the same time - I'd like full legalization along with that regulation. Anyway, glad you brought this up because it's important. Peace.

The latest issue of Treating Yourself magazine (Issue 17), has an article on outdoor organic cannabis.

The article states, "Indoor plants grown in soil will almost always be subject to and aphid/mite problem. Chemicals will probably be used that may include systemics like Abamectin that are neurotoxins, pyrethroid (the synthetic version of natural pyrethrum), and Carbaryl under various brand names and concoctions. These synthetic insecticides have been linked to harmful health effects in humans, but perhaps more importantly threaten the food chain itself because they are extremely deadly to bees and aquatic life, both which are key to the food chain and our existence on earth".

The article then covers hydroponics, "If the plants are grown using hydroponics (including rock wool and coir), it is important to note that most fertilizer solutions used in hydroponics are urea based. Urea is derived from petroleum and natural gas."

The article continues, "While pests are present in an outdoor garden, natural predators are abundant and Intergrated Pest Management (IPM) techniques are very effective. Healthy soil has the full package of nutrients and trace minerals required for healthy plant growth. Exotic hydro solutions that are urea based anyway go to great lengths attempting to provide thousands of minerals and nutrients that occur naturally in healthy soil".

History has proven that humans cannot replicate the perfection of nature. I trust nature over some scientists in a lab. I have been beating the drum that patients need to be more selective, and frequent collectives that have organic options, know their growers, offer Clean Green, etc. Often times, in these tough economic times, it is understandable that for many the bottom line is price and potency. Organic should be first, then price/potency. Cannabis is safe and non toxic, and we have thousands of years proving it. However, we only have a few decades of experimenting with chemical packed indoor/hydro grows, and have yet to see the long term effects on health and the environment.

[greencrackhead]

Originally Posted by Lifeshape

The latest issue of Treating Yourself magazine (Issue 17), has an article on outdoor organic cannabis.

The article states, "Indoor plants grown in soil will almost always be subject to and aphid/mite problem. Chemicals will probably be used that may include systemics like Abamectin that are neurotoxins, pyrethroid (the synthetic version of natural pyrethrum), and Carbaryl under various brand names and concoctions. These synthetic insecticides have been linked to harmful health effects in humans, but perhaps more importantly threaten the food chain itself because they are extremely deadly to bees and aquatic life, both which are key to the food chain and our existence on earth".

The article then covers hydroponics, "If the plants are grown using hydroponics (including rock wool and coir), it is important to note that most fertilizer solutions used in hydroponics are urea based. Urea is derived from petroleum and natural gas."

The article continues, "While pests are present in an outdoor garden, natural predators are abundant and Intergrated Pest Management (IPM) techniques are very effective. Healthy soil has the full package of nutrients and trace minerals required for healthy plant growth. Exotic hydro solutions that are urea based anyway go to great lengths attempting to provide thousands of minerals and nutrients that occur naturally in healthy soil".

History has proven that humans cannot replicate the perfection of nature. I trust nature over some scientists in a lab. I have been beating the drum that patients need to be more selective, and frequent collectives that have organic options, know their growers, offer Clean Green, etc. Often times, in these tough economic times, it is understandable that for many the bottom line is price and potency. Organic should be first, then price/potency. Cannabis is safe and non toxic, and we have thousands of years proving it. However, we only have a few decades of experimenting with chemical packed indoor/hydro grows, and have yet to see the long term effects on health and the environment.

Great post man. I think that we can't get the FULL benefits of this herb if we keep getting nasty chemicals along with it. This is a topic that needs to be addressed.

Originally Posted by greencrackhead

Great post man. I think that we can't get the FULL benefits of this herb if we keep getting nasty chemicals along with it. This is a topic that needs to be addressed.

A good flush is all that's required to remove many of the chemicals. Growers tend to rush this stage, or skip it completely :ohmy: just to get to the payoff as soon as possible...

[SUITE 215]

lots to discuss but this is not the site to do it in.

[MadRiverTurtle]

Originally Posted by SUITE 215

lots to discuss but this is not the site to do it in.

^ Yup, yup. Save it for 8/01 guys

Originally Posted by MadRiverTurtle

^ Yup, yup. Save it for 8/01 guys

Sowwy. I didn't know how far I could go... :001_unsure:

Hope your back is feeling better. Did you try the L.A. Confidential yet?!?!

[greencrackhead]

Originally Posted by Cannabliss

A good flush is all that's required to remove many of the chemicals. Growers tend to rush this stage, or skip it completely :ohmy: just to get to the payoff as soon as possible...

Well I don't grow, but I know that the Earth (outdoors) and Sun provide all that is needed for healthy meds. Anything else is messing with nature, (Indoor under fake lights "correct spectrum" or not).

If I could, I would only buy outdoor grown and not indoor. Hopefully soon we can all buy some bomb outdoor organic at these "collectives".

Originally Posted by greencrackhead

Well I don't grow, but I know that the Earth (outdoors) and Sun provide all that is needed for healthy meds. Anything else is messing with nature, (Indoor under fake lights "correct spectrum" or not).

If I could, I would only buy outdoor grown and not indoor. Hopefully soon we can all buy some bomb outdoor organic at these "collectives".

All we need is prohibition to be repealed, and we can all be growing in the sunshine!

Maybe indoor grows would become a thing of the past... perhaps hydroponic supply stores would take a hit... perhaps they are against legalization too, just like tobacco and alcohol companies!

Just kidding...

Pesticides have a negative effect on hormones. Testosterone production in particular. Testosterone- energy, mood, drive, and libido.

From what I've read, indoor grows have extra challenges with pests, so it can be assumed that some of these quick buck, mass produced indoor grows are drenched in pesticides.

Also, I don't trust these mega-nutrients that the quick buck growers are using. A fitting analogy is baby formula and breast milk. For years, we've been told that baby formula has all the nutrients of breast milk, and is just as good or better than breast milk. In recent years there have been a complete turnaround, with the medical establishment promoting breast feeding. Babies grow up smarter with breast milk. As usual, humans can't beat out nature.

That is why I only donate to collectives that carry organic options. I hope to see more cannabis patients realize that even if it's labeled medical cannabis, until we do better self regulation, patients are risking their health with much of what is put out there. Luckily, responsible collectives like CRC, CARE, Harborside, and Herbal Solutions are stepping up for patients and testing meds. From what I understand, THC/CBD levels are being tested, along for mold, and that pesticides testing is coming soon.

[heywood]

Medical production is all about providing the best product possible. Indoor grown bud is better than outdoor grown bud. It's that simple. If you have personal qualms with the production process, then smoke outdoor grown bud.

[Repsol720]

I've been working on many different types of growing methods. Some proven and some experimenting for example: Outdoor soil/Organic, Indoor soil/ Organic, Indoor hydro/Chem nutes, Indoor hydro/Organic nuts and waiting to try Outdoor hydro chem and Outdoor hydro organic. In all of my experiences I have to say I can get much higher quality consistently with chemical based nutrients. The organic on the other hand is not too far behind in potency but the time it takes is longer. I slightly prefer chem based if I am honest, strictly for the potency but I can see where they might be slightly more harmful to the environment and yourself. That's why I grow both kinds.

Medical production is all about providing the best product possible.

Medical production is about safety first.

[LemonHerb]

I'm all for organic, I even eat organic for the most part, but is there really any evidence that it's less healthy in any way when chemical nutes are used? Beyond that even if there was enough chemicals to make it through to even register does that pass onto you once it's vaped or burnt, or eaten. How much does this factor in when delivery method is taken into account?

I know that actual studies of marijuana are almost impossible to come by in the USA, but has this sort of research actually been done somewhere?

[SUITE 215]

Originally Posted by LemonHerb

I'm all for organic, I even eat organic for the most part, but is there really any evidence that it's less healthy in any way when chemical nutes are used? Beyond that even if there was enough chemicals to make it through to even register does that pass onto you once it's vaped or burnt, or eaten. How much does this factor in when delivery method is taken into account?

I know that actual studies of marijuana are almost impossible to come by in the USA, but has this sort of research actually been done somewhere?

Think of cows with artificial hormones to produce more.

[LemonHerb]

Originally Posted by SUITE 215

Think of cows with artificial hormones to produce more.

While that comparison demonstrates the fears very clearly, it doesn't provide any evidence or support for the fact that chem nutes are bad. Clearly the process of a cow growing and producing milk is much different than the process of a Marijuana plant growing and producing THC. Also we don't smoke or vaporize milk, I don't think, and this makes a difference.

While I am in agreement that organic is probably better, I am basing that on no information other than anecdotal information. I'd love to see a real study at any level done on this.

[BrattonBasher]

Originally Posted by LemonHerb

While that comparison demonstrates the fears very clearly, it doesn't provide any evidence or support for the fact that chem nutes are bad. Clearly the process of a cow growing and producing milk is much different than the process of a Marijuana plant growing and producing THC. Also we don't smoke or vaporize milk, I don't think, and this makes a difference.

While I am in agreement that organic is probably better, I am basing that on no information other than anecdotal information. I'd love to see a real study at any level done on this.

They don't allow any study involving cannabis in the USA. I agree, knowing if these nute brews cause any harm would he great.

[LemonHerb]

The second they legalize every study we would have ever wanted will be paid for because every cooperation will want in on the flood of cash coming through.

However there are sides of the organic argument that can be argued with more concrete information. Such as the affect chem nutes have on the environment, not just their use but their production. And for many this is more than enough reason to grow and patron only those who grow organic.

I do feel organic food tastes much better, but I have my suspicions it's because organic growers need to focus more time on tending their crops and product better product because of it, especially in comparison to large industrial farming operation where look is more important than taste. But in the cannabis world I think a high level of attention is given to the plants regardless of the content of the fertilizer.