[420love]

if it doesnt insure lower costing meds at an appropriate compassionate price ($75 per eigth or higher is NOT compassionate) and insure weight, product quality, and clone health, it doesn't affect me, and most likely nobody cares about it... just a fancy 'wow look at me im glaca certified' thing.. might help business w/ people who have no clue and have deep pockets and enjoy blowing $75 on eigth(thats the reason why prices havent come down btw, because people keep paying them)

[Lazlo_Toth]

Originally Posted by 420love

if it doesnt insure lower costing meds at an appropriate compassionate price ($75 per eigth or higher is NOT compassionate) and insure weight, product quality, and clone health, it doesn't affect me, and most likely nobody cares about it... just a fancy 'wow look at me im glaca certified' thing.. might help business w/ people who have no clue and have deep pockets and enjoy blowing $75 on eigth(thats the reason why prices havent come down btw, because people keep paying them)

Thats right.



The Valley seems to stay outta alotta the ASA, GLACA and other bull...

The price of good Kush in the Valley is now between $50 & $60 per 1/8...
Thanks to competition not joining fources to keep the prices up...

I

[Capt. Zigzag]

Originally Posted by 420love

if it doesnt insure lower costing meds at an appropriate compassionate price ($75 per eigth or higher is NOT compassionate) and insure weight, product quality, and clone health, it doesn't affect me,

Yes it does, and will.

and most likely nobody cares about it...

Wrong again. I'll speak for myself, cool?

Must be my nature or sumptin. But the more I hear unsubstantiated disquietude concerning this effort, the more intriguing it becomes to me.

-

[Grandpa Dank]

Let's not forget part of this "accreditation process" should include (as J .Papers mentioned, earlier in this thread) a patients restroom access, because many patients drive "long and far" for their meds and ALL dispensary's should have a "patients" restroom,,.......and also "handicap" or wheelchair access as part of their criteria for accrediation, along with the posted "labor laws", and charged fire extinguisher........(If people had more access to restroom's....,There would definitely be a lot less "road rage"....guaranteed.......gpd.

[allorganic]

Originally Posted by Lucas Jackson

When is the meeting? I would love to come.

The meetings he is refering to here are the public hearings on medical cannabis ordinances and moratoria. I have posted every single public hearing with links to talking points and directions, and usually they only get a couple views.

Keep an eye on my posts, and you will know about every public hearing that happens.

[Lou Weed]

We're patients. Not criminals. Remember? Racketeering is what those evil mens who kilt people did! You don't want us to be a part of something like that, do you?

I'm with the Captain and I don't think we're drinking Flavor Aid. Just eatin' popcorn.

[Goldenstatecollective]

Best rackateering line i've heard is

"The best-known is the protection racket, in which criminals demand money from businesses in exchange for the service of "protection" against crimes that the racketeers themselves instigate if unpaid"

GLACA doesnt charge and doesnt offer protection beyond a demonstratable way to show your playing by the rules.

What those rules are is still up to debate.

[jbmagic]

I want to take this time to thank all the people from GLACA who have put a lot of time and effort to making rules and regulations so we can keep these co ops open and stay withing the confines of the law. They are not being paid to come out to all our dispensaries. It's on their own time and I really appreciate it.
It's really amazing that one or two patients here can ruin anything.
If I put that we are giving free eighths to any patient that comes in, someone would complain that they have to drive all the way in. Can't we deliver it? There is always someone spoiling the good news. There are good patients and bad patients. There are patients that have nothing to do but be on weedtracker all day long and look for anything they can mess with. It sickens me.

Patients please put together your wish list and we will do everything for you that you put on the list ok. I truely wish it was that easy! Would you folks rather hear that which is currently impossible or would you like to continue hearing the truth? Every collective would like to provide bathrooms however there are several problems with that at this time, Finding a location to open a collective doe's not just fall in some ones lap, it is very difficult to find a location that has a landlord that will rent to you. It could take up to if not more three months just to find a place to rent to you let alone be picky about a lawyout and restroom access. You folks need to understand that we really,really, really want to provide restroom access and look forward to a day when the governmental bodies make the move to change their B.S. law. until then I would suggest that you use the restroom prior to arrival to your collective or pick a collective that has one.

Again I must say to all of you that want better this and better that We are and will continue working on improving all that is within our capabilities as much as possible and if you really feel strongly that every patient get active in the movement and bring a friend (does not have to be a patient to believe in the cause) because the sooner we change the law the sooner we can provide sooooo much more.

Originally Posted by Living Green

I like to think of all this GLACA as the "train" to progress. Right now the train is moving slow...it just left the station but it can pick up steam with time.

It's is progress and not everyone is going to be happy with the idea as it seems people are fearful that they are going to lose "something" by co-ops joining GLACA.

Sure right now GLACA isn't everything that it can be. Give it some time.

I find it funny that people the RELY ON CO-OPS would want to GOVT. to make the regulations and codes of conduct for co-ops?
Do you want co-ops to be regulated out of existence by State and local anti-mmj leaders?

GLACA is just learning to walk. Give it a chance to RUN.
It helps keep good co-ops going and provides a standard for those that choose not to join GLACA.

GLACA doesn't take a single thing away from member or non members and patients. It only takes tyrannical control away from Govt and supplies a self regulation model for co-ops.

Why shoot down something that hasn't had time to even prove itself?

GLACA is PROGRESS.

There is an old saying that is so appropriate:
If we don't police ourselves, the police will.

Who do you want to do the policing? GLACA with your input, or a city coucil full of anti's? hmm?

Please don't throw out the baby with the bathwater!
GLACA protects patients by allowing co-ops to operate pretty much as they are now. But if local govt. starts making the rules WE ALL LOSE.

Please read this post.

[pcla]

Actually the valley has an alliance as well...

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by pcla

Actually the valley has an alliance as well...

To my knowledge the Valley has joined the L.A. chapter and there is just one now.

[jbmagic]

Originally Posted by LAMMJactivist

Patients please put together your wish list and we will do everything for you that you put on the list ok. I truely wish it was that easy! Would you folks rather hear that which is currently impossible or would you like to continue hearing the truth? Every collective would like to provide bathrooms however there are several problems with that at this time, Finding a location to open a collective doe's not just fall in some ones lap, it is very difficult to find a location that has a landlord that will rent to you. It could take up to if not more three months just to find a place to rent to you let alone be picky about a lawyout and restroom access. You folks need to understand that we really,really, really want to provide restroom access and look forward to a day when the governmental bodies make the move to change their B.S. law. until then I would suggest that you use the restroom prior to arrival to your collective or pick a collective that has one.

Again I must say to all of you that want better this and better that We are and will continue working on improving all that is within our capabilities as much as possible and if you really feel strongly that every patient get active in the movement and bring a friend (does not have to be a patient to believe in the cause) because the sooner we change the law the sooner we can provide sooooo much more.

It only took you three months. Lucky. It took me 4 1/2 months of driving up and down streets every day for over 4 hours a day. And I only found one in that time. No one wants to rent to us, no matter how good your credit is.

[420love]

Let's not forget part of this "accreditation process" should include (as J .Papers mentioned, earlier in this thread) a patients restroom access, because many patients drive "long and far" for their meds and ALL dispensary's should have a "patients" restroom,,.......and also "handicap" or wheelchair access as part of their criteria for accrediation, along with the posted "labor laws", and charged fire extinguisher........(If people had more access to restroom's....,There would definitely be a lot less "road rage"....guaranteed.......gpd.

that stuff is already covered by most building codes and city ordinances... i mean i see what you guys are doing and i respect it.. but there are serious issues like the ones i detailed above that We The Patients truly desire. I am speaking in their behalf here, and based on the feedback I've gotten, I seem to be hitting the nail on the head. With the bathroom issues I mean if you were truly desperate you could get a porta-john in the back, it works right? I dont like using them but the principle is there.. I dont really care much about bathrooms fire extinguishers etc, I care about burning deep issues like overpriced/underweight meds, profiteering, lack of compassion, adulterated meds, moldy meds, rude inconsiderate staff, infected clones, etc.. These are the issues that We The Patients would like to see addressed. What does the USDA do? They ensure that beef has no pesticides or anything harmful in it, and assure it is proper weight... It'd be nice of GLACA offered similiar things that the USDA offers, but it doesn't..seems we are just re-inventing the wheel of city code/ordinances that are already in place. just my opinion here...

[pcla]

Originally Posted by jbmagic

To my knowledge the Valley has joined the L.A. chapter and there is just one now.

Yes, I believe that is true as well. I was attempting to respond to the comment posted by "LAZLO" below:

Lao: Thats right. The Valley seems to stay outta alotta the ASA, GLACA and other bull... The price of good Kush in the Valley is now between $50 & $60 per 1/8... Thanks to competition not joining fources to keep the prices up...

Originally Posted by 420love

that stuff is already covered by most building codes and city ordinances... i mean i see what you guys are doing and i respect it.. but there are serious issues like the ones i detailed above that We The Patients truly desire. I am speaking in their behalf here, and based on the feedback I've gotten, I seem to be hitting the nail on the head. With the bathroom issues I mean if you were truly desperate you could get a porta-john in the back, it works right? I dont like using them but the principle is there.. I dont really care much about bathrooms fire extinguishers etc, I care about burning deep issues like overpriced/underweight meds, profiteering, lack of compassion, adulterated meds, moldy meds, rude inconsiderate staff, infected clones, etc.. These are the issues that We The Patients would like to see addressed. What does the USDA do? They ensure that beef has no pesticides or anything harmful in it, and assure it is proper weight... It'd be nice of GLACA offered similiar things that the USDA offers, but it doesn't..seems we are just re-inventing the wheel of city code/ordinances that are already in place. just my opinion here...

Have some patients my friend Rome wasn't built in a day. GLACA is only a couple of month old give it some time give it some time.

[Lazlo_Toth]

Originally Posted by pcla

Actually the valley has an alliance as well...

LOL, think the word your lookin for is Had........

The co ops left towards the end (and not many at that) join into what ever over the hill....

[pcla]

Originally Posted by Lazlo_Toth

LOL, think the word your lookin for is Had........

The co ops left towards the end (and not many at that) join into what ever over the hill....

Strange... I have met several operators at the meeting from the other side of the hill?

You must know something I don't...

Also... are you suggesting that we are "joining forces to keep prices up"???

Lazlo: "Thats right. The Valley seems to stay outta alotta the ASA, GLACA and other bull... The price of good Kush in the Valley is now between $50 & $60 per 1/8... Thanks to competition not joining fources to keep the prices up..."

Please advise... I did not want to respond because I am hoping I misunderstood you.

Regards,

Rebecca

[Lazlo_Toth]

Originally Posted by pcla

Strange... I have met several operators from the other side of the hill?

You must know something I don't...

Also... are you suggesting that we are "joining forces to keep prices up"?

Please advise... I did not want to respond because I am hoping I misunderstood you.

Regards,

Rebecca

no, not at all..........

I ment nothing other than they joined (or formed) something (another org) from L.A. or Hollywood..

The Valley alliance was intially part of GLACA and decided it was to difficult to travel over the hill (understandable) for meetings after working a 12 hr day. So, they did start their own alliance and they have since returned to GLACA due to lack of participation. They are a fine group of people and yes, valley Collectives are taking part and are getting accredited.

I must make an observation and will attempt to get my point accross without hurting anyone's feelings or attacking anyone. However, I feel this must be said.

Am I the only one that see's this or the only one willing to speak of it?
there seems to be a couple of people here that will make an attack on what GLACA is doing making statements that insinuate that GLACA is some how doing scandalous things to make more money or that it is some kinda organization that just wants to run other peoples clubs and all kinds of attacks on GLACA's credibilty and either on the same posting or their next posting they state how they think GLACA is progress or a good thing. I don't get it! Which is it? These people obviously are confused and should most likely either read the post's ahead of them to kinda get up to speed and/or look an the GLACA website caregiversalliance.org and do a little homework and/or maybe just ask some questions in a construtive manner without all the accusetory overtones. We really do want to answer your questions but I am afraid that if this continues that we will have to ignore questions if they are not formed in a constructive manner.

Please try to understand that many people have put in hours of service trying to make this happen and are actually doing it for you. You as patients that do not work in or operate collectives will be the direct benefactors of our work. We do this out of love and compassion and to put it bluntly it really Fucking hurts when all we get is this non-sense. In addition to running our collectives about 60 hrs a week, volunteer the rest of our time for YOU. How about a little good old fashion graditude.

Lenny, Eagle Rock Herbal Collective, GLACA interim steering committee member, GLACA accreditation committe menber.

P.S. Sorry about the "F" bomb it was bound to come out eventually.

[handscreate]

Originally Posted by LAMMJactivist

I must make an observation and will attempt to get my point accross without hurting anyone's feelings or attacking anyone. However, I feel this must be said.

Am I the only one that see's this or the only one willing to speak of it?
there seems to be a couple of people here that will make an attack on what GLACA is doing making statements that insinuate that GLACA is some how doing scandalous things to make more money or that it is some kinda organization that just wants to run other peoples clubs and all kinds of attacks on GLACA's credibilty and either on the same posting or their next posting they state how they think GLACA is progress or a good thing. I don't get it! Which is it? These people obviously are confused and should most likely either read the post's ahead of them to kinda get up to speed and/or look an the GLACA website caregiversalliance.org and do a little homework and/or maybe just ask some questions in a construtive manner without all the accusetory overtones. We really do want to answer your questions but I am afraid that if this continues that we will have to ignore questions if they are not formed in a constructive manner.

Please try to understand that many people have put in hours of service trying to make this happen and are actually doing it for you. You as patients that do not work in or operate collectives will be the direct benefactors of our work. We do this out of love and compassion and to put it bluntly it really Fucking hurts when all we get is this non-sense. In addition to running our collectives about 60 hrs a week, volunteer the rest of our time for YOU. How about a little good old fashion graditude.

Lenny, Eagle Rock Herbal Collective, GLACA interim steering committee member, GLACA accreditation committe menber.

P.S. Sorry about the "F" bomb it was bound to come out eventually.

Lenny,
Thank you for this post. A huge problem, and a big reason I'm trying to now stay out of the GLACA thread, is name calling, bashing & belittling of patients and their ideas. Heck the other day I was called a f*ckwad or dicktard, as were many other people posting serious questions and comments, who all have good ideas, hence they have been asked to join me in another venture. This is not a positive comment to make, especially in defense of an organization that at the begining didn't want to answer questions or entertain patient participation or input.
I'm still waiting for an invitation to a GLACA meeting to voice my opinions, even though I'm pretty sure I'll never get it.

Who decided that there would be only patient/member at large? No offense to allorganic, I think he does a great job working with ASA, GLACA and his numerous dispensaries he volunteers at. The fact that he can go home at night and have a real life outside of it all shocks & amazes me. I just think that oh, I don't know, maybe more than 1 patient/member at large should be included in this committe, since 1 member at large probably doesn't have the time to visit every dispensary and see what's going on, especially with a busy schedule working for several organizations. Again, not attacking allorganic, but I know the guy's busy. I've run into him at a few dispensaries and seen him in action, doing his thing.

If every dispensary, collective & co-op voice was as open as you have started to become in this thread, and everyone had an open mind and wasn't closed off to the idea that this is a great idea, but maybe it can be improved upon and made to become better and more openly accepted, and that maybe the opinions of others actually mattered, we'd all be more accepting of GLACA. But the truth is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, because I have not read many of the posts after being insulted and called names through this one, that many dispensary owners/operators are afraid of a patients view and opinions. It's almost as if we as patients are being told this is what it is and there's nothing you can do about it! When people are put down because of an idea, question or opinion they may have, they no longer feel inclined to voice their opinions, ideas and questions to anyone, and as far as I'm concerned everyone's voice should have an opportunity to be heard!

Ok, enough rambling of my ideas and thoughts on the whole thing. I know I have made some very valid points in this thread (cuz you gave me rep on a bunch of them) and with that in mind, please be open to questions from intellegent inquisitve minds. Everything that effects this movement directly effects us as patients, dispensary owners, vendors, etc and we all need to work together if we want any of it to be a success. I know GLACA is in the begining stages, but at the same time you've all had months to make a solid game plan and "sell" the idea to dispensaries. And if this idea was sold well enough, everyone would want to be a part of it, no questions asked.

Insert Disclaimer from previous posts here

Originally Posted by Lazlo_Toth

Clueless people....not only shouldnt they be selling mmj, these people shouldnt be in any business.....


After seeing that co op on the list, i knew it is a joke.....


Dont get me wrong, nice peps, but pretty cluless with this business....

I'm VERY tempted to give you an infraction for that, because you cannot just advocate ANYONE be shut down. You know what, when you start your own co-op and put YOUR ass on the line for others, then you can have an opinion on who should or shouldn't be running a co-op. Until then, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

This whole GLACA stuff should have been discuesed longer with more people involved......

OMG, that has GOT to be the most insane thing you've typed here, they opened their meetings to ANYONE who wanted to come, the process was slow and arduous, and you wanted it to go on longer? HOLY SHIT, maybe you should just not post in this thread anymore. If I keep reading this crap from you I might really, really lose my temper.

When a co op gets raided or theres a protest, EVERYONE knows about it....Try letting everyone know about your rule making meetings like you let everyone know about raids and protests.....

Simmering.

I also truly bebieve that regular people (non patients) should be heard also..
Its their neighborhoods too..

They HAVE a voice, it's called the CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. In fact, our various government agencies give NON-patients MORE creedence than patients in those meetings. Or hadn't you noticed.

Please, do us all a favor, if you're simply playing "devil's advocate" then shut the fuck up. If you truly believe the drivel you're spewing, go to another thread.

Originally Posted by Lazlo_Toth

Hey, you say that the weight is gonna be straight?


Howed you verify the scales, very important...


When i sliced pastrami, someone came in from the city to make sure the scales were right.....Puta sticker on the scale to say so....

Gas pumps have the same process.....


So, what scales does the GLACA use, how are they checked? How often?
Rules on pre-weighed....
If my sack is off what will the GLACA do?

How does the GLACA know the co op is selling non moldy, mildewy keifed buds? Will someone from the GLACA be doing all the buying
for these co ops...

It's called the Department of Weights and Measures, and when the state government decides that Co-Ops and Dispensaries are a legitimate business then I bet ya that we get Cato Fiksdal or whomever is the head of the Dept (I just know his name from reading it all those years on gas-pumps, plus I saw him on the news once, I know he's not the head anymore) to calibrate the scales.

But we need to be seen as LEGITIMATE by the powers that be first. As usual, you put the cart before the horse.

Originally Posted by handscreate

Lenny,
Thank you for this post. A huge problem, and a big reason I'm trying to now stay out of the GLACA thread, is name calling, bashing & belittling of patients and their ideas. Heck the other day I was called a f*ckwad or dicktard, as were many other people posting serious questions and comments, who all have good ideas, hence they have been asked to join me in another venture. This is not a positive comment to make, especially in defense of an organization that at the begining didn't want to answer questions or entertain patient participation or input.
I'm still waiting for an invitation to a GLACA meeting to voice my opinions, even though I'm pretty sure I'll never get it.

Who decided that there would be only patient/member at large? No offense to allorganic, I think he does a great job working with ASA, GLACA and his numerous dispensaries he volunteers at. The fact that he can go home at night and have a real life outside of it all shocks & amazes me. I just think that oh, I don't know, maybe more than 1 patient/member at large should be included in this committe, since 1 member at large probably doesn't have the time to visit every dispensary and see what's going on, especially with a busy schedule working for several organizations. Again, not attacking allorganic, but I know the guy's busy. I've run into him at a few dispensaries and seen him in action, doing his thing.

If every dispensary, collective & co-op voice was as open as you have started to become in this thread, and everyone had an open mind and wasn't closed off to the idea that this is a great idea, but maybe it can be improved upon and made to become better and more openly accepted, and that maybe the opinions of others actually mattered, we'd all be more accepting of GLACA. But the truth is, and please correct me if I'm wrong, because I have not read many of the posts after being insulted and called names through this one, that many dispensary owners/operators are afraid of a patients view and opinions. It's almost as if we as patients are being told this is what it is and there's nothing you can do about it! When people are put down because of an idea, question or opinion they may have, they no longer feel inclined to voice their opinions, ideas and questions to anyone, and as far as I'm concerned everyone's voice should have an opportunity to be heard!

Ok, enough rambling of my ideas and thoughts on the whole thing. I know I have made some very valid points in this thread (cuz you gave me rep on a bunch of them) and with that in mind, please be open to questions from intellegent inquisitve minds. Everything that effects this movement directly effects us as patients, dispensary owners, vendors, etc and we all need to work together if we want any of it to be a success. I know GLACA is in the begining stages, but at the same time you've all had months to make a solid game plan and "sell" the idea to dispensaries. And if this idea was sold well enough, everyone would want to be a part of it, no questions asked.

Insert Disclaimer from previous posts here

Please try to understand that number one there are currently many patient groups around the L.A. area. I would suggest that you attend those meetings and maybe (Just an Idea right now) a representitive of those groups can and will be invited to some of our meetings. I believe this could be a positive thing.

Number two We did it this way because under the current climate it is not the patients butts on the line everday in these collectives. We are the ones that risk our freedom "Every Day". Collective operators generally because of this really do not want to be in a room full of people they do not know and thats just the way it is going to be for most operators there are some of us that are willing to put a face on it no matter what the risk because I truely believe that not only am I doing what is right I am doing what I was meant to do. You must also understand that we all come in contact with a lot of patients daily and have attempt rigorously to get patients to get up and take part, but it seem's we plan meetings for patients or ask them to come to city hall or to a protest ahhh we get maybe if we are lucky a couple hundred. Now if it is anyone that knows how many patients there are in the LA area it is us. So, I say to you and all the others on this thread that feel that you need a louder voice come forward now and start a patients commission or what ever you would like to call it and fill a room of over 200 people and I and I am sure many other members of GLACA would be glad to come and help you organize. I'll be there! Until then this is what we got so let's try to make it work.

A little story:

While sitting in a awards banquet for the Winston Tire Company many years ago the speaker Sam Winston stood at the microphone quietly for a couple of minutes as every sat there waiting for him to speak, When he did he yelled "Everybody stand up!" which of course everyone thought this is nuts but relented. Again it went silent until he yelled again " Pick up your chair and look under it!" While looking under our chairs three people found a fresh one hundred dollar bill taped to the bottom of their chair. Sam calmly stated (in a southern drawel)"It just goes to show ya,if ya get off your ass ya just might find what your looking for!".

The moral being people need to quit just talking about but instead as Larry the Cable Guy say's Get-er-done.

[stealthviper]

I would like to clarify a comment I made, that may have been misconstrued. I referred to GLACA as a trade association, and they certainly are, and there is nothing wrong with that. Trade associations are vital to improving the way businesses operate, and for networking between business owners-something the co-op world sorely needs, thus my support for GLACA.

It is very common for a Music store who is a member of NAMM (music trade assoc-very large) to post a decal in the window to attest to the fact, and to let potential customers know that they abide by the guidelines set forth by the organization. (Sound Familiar?). Said guidelines, if followed diligently, ensure excellent customer service. Price and quality of goods is never addressed. It is also common for an Authorized Dealer for, say, Fender, to post a Fender Authorized Dealer decal in the window, if Fender says they can. These practices are very valuable to the consumer, and signify that the retailer has agreed to stand by his product and services.

If one does not like the guidelines GLACA has established, call them-they have expressed willingness to listen to anyone (outside of owner/operator's meetings), so why don't you all take them up on it, and not just in this thread.

I also notice that there is room in this world for both and Auto Dealer's Association and Consumer Reports. They both need each other, and so does the public.

And trash-talking only shows a lack of class. I have given the folks on this forum a bit more credit than that.....

Peace, please,
sv