[Drummerboy]

I couldnt find a place to put this but I was wondering if anybody could share on the subject of using marijuana to treat alcoholism. I am very curious. Has any seen someone that has used marijuana to help with alcoholism? I am very curious about the use of marijuana to treat alcoholisms. Any info would greatly help. :)

This is something I have been pondering for a while. When we give up one substance for another... ie prescription meds, hard street drugs and alcohol are we not just trading for another substance??

[tomo7]

I don't drink but I have never heard of MMJ reducing or preventing the symptoms of alcohol withdrawals. Or even preventing the craving of alcohol.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by tomo7

I don't drink but I have never heard of MMJ reducing or preventing the symptoms of alcohol withdrawals. Or even preventing the craving of alcohol.

It's not smat to try to reduce the symptoms of Alcohol withdrawal with MMJ.

It just won't work, this has to be treated properly with the help of medical professionals.


zb1

Originally Posted by cricketsmom

This is something I have been pondering for a while. When we give up one substance for another... ie prescription meds, hard street drugs and alcohol are we not just trading for another substance??

It's called an addictive lifestyle,.
something I've mentioned here on WT many times and the disease some of us may have,.

Giving up one drug for another in a constant search for an escape from reality or whatever it is that were trying to mask over,.
A very close friend is an alcoholic at 32 and she will never quit, better than the heroin she was addicted to for 10 years - now it's methadone for the time and alcohol,. hopefully she don't go back to her H-dealer -
but I can't count it out neither..
she's also bipolar and see's a therapist once a week,.
I'm the only person who knows she can't go a day without vodka,.

The thing to remember with addicts is - they/we are not in control ..
Addiction is like an abscess on your brain that has taken over your common sense and reasoning, giving reason and justification for your actions however wrong they are,.

so the answer is Yes,.

and it helps ... alot!!



I can never say it enough ..
Legalize Reform and Rehabilitation,

[zbestwun2001]

Yoda...

When you are dealing with an addictive substance that causes major withdrawals, stomach cramps, vomiting, shaking, it has to be address with the proper medication to control the physical withdrawals symptoms.

MMJ, might help your mind relax, but I will not stop those physical withdrawals.
They are too strong.

Trust me, I am not an alcoholic, but I still have my Certification in Substance Abuse Counseling thru the state of California.

zb1

[kennabis]

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

I couldnt find a place to put this but I was wondering if anybody could share on the subject of using marijuana to treat alcoholism. I am very curious. Has any seen someone that has used marijuana to help with alcoholism? I am very curious about the use of marijuana to treat alcoholisms. Any info would greatly help. :)

the great dr. tod mikuriya has case studies he did on treating alcoholism "succesfully" with cannabis..!!! cannabis is a medicine, it does not destroy the body mind and soul. there is a great periodical called "the oshaughnessy's", do us all a favor a take a look at this great mans acheivements, the feds tried so hard to jail this man, and never succeeded, ha..!!! he also had alot to do with the framing of prop 215.

so in closing, yes, you can use cannabis for treating alcoholism, and you can say kennabis said so..!!! you will need to look at abuse issues, you will need your "mind" for that part of the journey, and because you are not drinking, you will have a soul that will want to fly and be free..... alcohol is givin to you by the rulers of your kingdom, do not drink it .

blessings and may your healing path be lined with flowers.

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

Yoda...

When you are dealing with an addictive substance that causes major withdrawals, stomach cramps, vomiting, shaking, it has to be address with the proper medication to control the physical withdrawals symptoms.

MMJ, might help your mind relax, but I will not stop those physical withdrawals.
They are too strong.

Trust me, I am not an alcoholic, but I still have my Certification in Substance Abuse Counseling thru the state of California.

zb1

Ever see a junkie kick their habit ?
nothing compares,. imo..

Sorry, I agree,.. professional help and med's should be taken to ease the withdrawal symptoms,.
also the toughest hurdle to get over is removing yourself for the rest of your life from ever wanting another drink,. or drug to replace it with..
Taking a toke off a joint may make them relapse into alcoholism all too easy,.
i'm sure you've heard that already,. :)

I wish the best for addicts and I'll give them all the love and support they can handle,.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Ever see a junkie kick their habit ?
nothing compares,. imo..

Yep, more than I can count at this point.
That's all I was doing for several years, counseling junkies and alcoholics.

zb1

[AlwaysOTR]

lol

[bruno13]

I am not sure if it helps alcoholics but i am positive it helped me from becoming an alcoholic. My dad, all my uncles and aunts, and most of my cousins had trouble with alcohol. I think I am genetically predisposed to alcoholism. I was into alcohol when I was a teenager. Once I discovered cannabis I never felt like using alcohol again. It was a much better intoxicant than alcohol. In the last 40 years I have not had more than a couple of drinks a year. I have not drank any alcohol in the last five years. I am sure cannabis saved me from becoming an alcoholic.

Originally Posted by zbestwun2001

Yep, more than I can count at this point.
That's all I was doing for several years, counseling junkies and alcoholics.

zb1

Nice,. :)

I do the same thing daily for 12 years mostly on a good friend level,.

I'm no professional,.

I gave up - The pro's couldn't fix my problem,.
antidepressants are mostly speed based and I already have a mind that works too fast,.
Indicas are the only thing that works the best, from the time I wake till I fall asleep at night..

[kennabis]

Originally Posted by bruno13

I am not sure if it helps alcoholics but i am positive it helped me from becoming an alcoholic. My dad, all my uncles and aunts, and most of my cousins had trouble with alcohol. I think I am genetically predisposed to alcoholism. I was into alcohol when I was a teenager. Once I discovered cannabis I never felt like using alcohol again. It was a much better intoxicant than alcohol. In the last 40 years I have not had more than a couple of drinks a year. I have not drank any alcohol in the last five years. I am sure cannabis saved me from becoming an alcoholic.

eeeeehhhhhaaaaa...!!!!congratulations and thanx for sharin your testimony..!!!

cannabis heals on all levels. turn off your tv, and tune in to your own self power. it takes practice like anything else, we are mind controled in america, and alcohol is here for the purpose of destroying those who are in stress. we as people of the earth are under attack of media and all forms of federal and governmental involvement, and alcohol is the tool of choice.

the helplessness and loss of alcohol go away with love, care and understanding. i understand some are so addicted that cold turkey means death, there are those extremes, but the sickness represents all levels, it is a dead high, it takes all the life and feeling out of you, that is why stressed people use it, because it has the ability to take you away immediately, and how gross that feeling is. i used for 10 years or more, daily, because of childhood trauma, yeah childhood. we are effected by things more than we know, so we mind control ourselfs by "turning off", it is very simple. but when we are real sick, change needs to happen, and alotta broken people do not want change, they run from it. society breeds all types of people, the mass is heading for more drugs and alcohol, the commercials (writing on the walls) have been delivering this on tv and in magazines for decades.

i pray those addicted to alcohol reclaim their lifes, and have the power to get to the root(s) of the real issues. numbing and dumbing go together, love is what you need.

best wishes

[Drummerboy]

Originally Posted by bruno13

I am not sure if it helps alcoholics but i am positive it helped me from becoming an alcoholic. My dad, all my uncles and aunts, and most of my cousins had trouble with alcohol. I think I am genetically predisposed to alcoholism. I was into alcohol when I was a teenager. Once I discovered cannabis I never felt like using alcohol again. It was a much better intoxicant than alcohol. In the last 40 years I have not had more than a couple of drinks a year. I have not drank any alcohol in the last five years. I am sure cannabis saved me from becoming an alcoholic.

I agree. I havent had alcohol in forever. I used to party and get wasted as hell off everclear. But now I see no use in the harmful drug. Ill have a nice glass of Cabernet every once and awhile. I've seen alcohol ruin so many lives I really hate it. I believe that marijuana has moved me away from alcohol. Maybe cause I get more relief from marijuana without all the negatives from alcohol.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by Yoda

now it's methadone for the time and alcohol,. hopefully she

Yoda that is SUCH A DEADLY MIXTURE.
Although I am assuming she is in a clinic for the Methadone, so that dosage is controlled, the alcohol isn't.

I've seen it before, one day they drink to much and the mixture of the alcohol and methadone is lethal.

Not a pretty site to discover.

Try to help her... but if she don't want the help there is nothing you can do.
Her addiction is still alive and well unfortunately.

zb1

[Drummerboy]

ya........ :( that is a lethal combo waiting to happen. :(

[endlesssky]

i'm a recovering addict and alki, and mmj saved my ass but i went thew hell before i let myself finally use it so i could stop vomiting blood, but i do have varies, and cirohhous and HEP C, and Addisons disease,which in turn the meds they give me for that caused my deabities, plus three blood disoders, hemphilla B and factor 11 and i forget what the hell the other one is, anyway, for alcoholic's who drink everyday they should go into medical detox so the DT and sezisures are addressed, i hate to see people go into grandmall seizsure, and that happends alot, mmj will help , but for some just getting clean i had to really get clean for like 6 years before i ever let myself try mmj, i should of sooner, but i was kinda brain washed, for awhile i think i had to be brainwashed untill i got a handle on sobrity and staying clean and sober, and to make sure i am not useing mmj to exscape realaliy or running away, so i keep a my thearpist up to date, till she became abuseive, anyway i know this person, she used to a drug and alcohol counlser, but se got into a moterbike wreck and had to go on opitate's well, now she;s on 200 micograms of fenynal, i don;t know how much Zanax, but alot, norco soma seraquill, she dropped her bike repeatedly because she can no longer hold it up and se shackes all the time m she slurs her word's she repeats herself,and she ; consipated and she has HEPC also and i beliave her amminoa level is high, she falls asleep with lit cigs going, now i used to do all this stuff to except drop the bike part, the DR put me on methadone 90 mg and 125 of fenynal, and i was getting side effects from them, so we dicided to quit the fenynal, and i did then te methadone, and now they have me on oxycontin and want to swtich me back to methadone, i do have legatmate pain, but i tolate alot, but she;s all jacked up, what should i do, i really care about her she has a husband, but e seels his and then wants her's what a guy, anyway any suggestion's would be great Endlesss:partysmile:ky

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by endlesssky

i know this person, she used to a drug and alcohol counlser, but se got into a moterbike wreck and had to go on opitate's well, now she;s on 200 micograms of fenynal, i don;t know how much Zanax, but alot, norco soma seraquill, she dropped her bike repeatedly because she can no longer hold it up and se shackes all the time m she slurs her word's she repeats herself,and she ; consipated and she has HEPC also and i beliave her amminoa level is high, she falls asleep with lit cigs going,but e seels his and then wants her's what a guy, anyway any suggestion's would be great Endlesss:partysmile:ky

She needs INTENSIVE in house therapy.. Not short term but 3- 6 months at least.
She needs to get out of this co-dependent relationship I am sure she is in with her husband.

It sounds like a totally dysfunctional household that needs some rearranging.

zb1

[revolution]

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

I couldnt find a place to put this but I was wondering if anybody could share on the subject of using marijuana to treat alcoholism. I am very curious. Has any seen someone that has used marijuana to help with alcoholism? I am very curious about the use of marijuana to treat alcoholisms. Any info would greatly help. :)

I know next to nothing on the subject.
But I know some homeless alcoholics from around town. They drink ALL DAY EVERY DAY. The addiction has made it become their medicine. Always leads them to problems, fights, and cops.
Every now and them I'll take those guys a joint or a small sack(as do a few other people around here). I can say it makes 100% difference. Maybe its only for about 5 hours at a time, but WOW! No fights, no arguments, just laughing, eating, having fun, and almost always NO DRINKING.
Maybe it's a substitute, but it works for the time being.


I used to know a lady who would go to the bar all night every night starting at about noon.
She would be gone for a few days at a time with NO drinking, whenever she had pot on her.



IMO it may not work, but it sure as hell helps.

[endlesssky]

Originally Posted by revolution

I know next to nothing on the subject.
But I know some homeless alcoholics from around town. They drink ALL DAY EVERY DAY. The addiction has made it become their medicine. Always leads them to problems, fights, and cops.
Every now and them I'll take those guys a joint or a small sack(as do a few other people around here). I can say it makes 100% difference. Maybe its only for about 5 hours at a time, but WOW! No fights, no arguments, just laughing, eating, having fun, and almost always NO DRINKING.
Maybe it's a substitute, but it works for the time being.


I used to know a lady who would go to the bar all night every night starting at about noon.
She would be gone for a few days at a time with NO drinking, whenever she had pot on her.i'm sorry, i didn't mean to say it didn't work, IT DOES, i believe that everyone's different so different threapy's , some are sicker than others, and just need extra help to keep them safe, alcohol can kill you if you stop all of sudden, for some, and for others it;s all good, but it just depends on the person's addiction, but i think mmj helps in alot of ways and so de's my DR, i try and look at like it's just another med i have to take , bummer for me huh hahahhehe, just kidding, oh my friend is in bigtime denial, and she is so swollen, she had to cut her hair cause she lit on fire while partakeing, i;m glad her whole head didn't catch fire, i try and talk to her but she gets real upset and then won't talk to me days, i think i might have to let this one go, i feel like she's going to die forsure,,, way to much fenynal and zanex, i know nothing about that stuff, i am so worried i can't hardly sleep, she calls me and tells me how many pills she took of each med, , man i ca barely take , i just want to yell at her, why can't she see, how do i get her to see? see ya Endlessky


IMO it may not work, but it sure as hell helps.

[endlesssky]

i'm not sure, but i messed up the post, i am sorry about that came out the frist time, everybody is different so everyone need different therapy's some are sicker than others is all i meant, and need hospitalization to detox so they don't die from the with draw, no amount of mmj can stop the DT's or sezsures, but after the person is off and clean for awhile , it would help as far as i can see, but i try and look at as medication, and some time it lowers are inabitions and we are way closer to takeing that drink than we think!! my two cents Endlesssky

[Drummerboy]

I believe that in certain cases marijuana can be a substitute for the alcohol. It may not work for everyone but I bet it would help immensely with some alcoholics.

[Profit]

i have some experience in this subject so i had to throw my two cents in. it it my understanding that booze, sex, prescription pills etc. is but a symptom of the disease also know alcoholism. so what it comes down to is if you have additive personality you take things to the extreme.lot of research is being done about this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...rugsandalcohol
so if you think you are alcoholic check out aa.org read the chapter named the dr. option in the big book. that should clear it up. so what i am sayin in short is you can switch from booze to mmj hell you can move to another state but you head is still there. that is the root of the disease. hope this help you in some way. good luck and much love.

[zbestwun2001]

Originally Posted by Drummerboy

I believe that in certain cases marijuana can be a substitute for the alcohol. .

Just curious, what cases would that be?

zb1

[revolution]

Originally Posted by endlesssky

i'm not sure, but i messed up the post, i am sorry about that came out the frist time, everybody is different so everyone need different therapy's some are sicker than others is all i meant, and need hospitalization to detox so they don't die from the with draw, no amount of mmj can stop the DT's or sezsures, but after the person is off and clean for awhile , it would help as far as i can see, but i try and look at as medication, and some time it lowers are inabitions and we are way closer to takeing that drink than we think!! my two cents Endlesssky

It definatly does not stop the DT's and Siezures, but it does curb the appetite a little. I think it could be used to slowly take them off of alcohol.