[weedtracker]

i absolutely cannot stand 4-wheeling. it is not a sport. its for lazy fat people who are too fat and lazy to hike in the woods so they have to drive. anybody else feel the same?

[younggotti]

should be a Poll!

4 wheeling is a weekend activity!

Baja 500/1000 now thats some sporting....

[SUITE 215]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

i absolutely cannot stand 4-wheeling. it is not a sport. its for lazy fat people who are too fat and lazy to hike in the woods so they have to drive. anybody else feel the same?

Nope Totally wrong, takes a lot of skill to 4 wheel.

One might say people who text are to lazy to pick up the phone and call not true.

Some people like to walk some like to run over rocks two different things.


This does take a lot of skill to do

[DEJECTEDINTERVAL]

I gotta agree with the person above.. You make it sound like you got something against fat people :)

[shecky7]

Go sit in the desert outside of Quatro Casas on the baja for a few days and watch these guys go absolutely insane in these vehicles. I could never, would never, drive like that and it IS a skill. Maybe you are confusing the weekend warriors over at Glamis with the off-road professionals who need spotters who drive and redrive these roads and mapped out every dangerous curve, rock, uneven spot, sand trap and then drive back thru that same dirt road at 140 miles an hour with your buddy screaming out where that next rock is...Oh-kaaaaaay.
Btw, I am not into off roading or racing except for bong hit chasing, so, I am unbiased.

[TiQeLReSu]

Not a sport?
Does it make you mad because they make trails in the hills and mountains?
What about it doesn't sit well with you?
I see all the enviro folks shutting down more and more offroad areas because "they don't like it" There's something like 2million acres set aside for you to hike,sight see, photograph,etcc. and a 1/4 of that for offroad folks.
For some (like me) it's a FAMILY thing.. We have 20-30 family members that go out and camp and offroad every year all winter long.. Has made me closer with my wife and kid, father in-law etcc..
It takes major balls,skill,thought,patience,risk,etcc to offroad.
You tell me how lazy we are after you load up an RV,Trailer, drive for many, many miles, repair broken parts,fix flats, survive extreme weather, dig yourself out of being stuck, helping fellow offroaders, picking up other peoples trash..etcc..
It's a full time job and far from being lazy.. I also want to point out that if you have ever rode one then you would probably know that it's about as phsical and mental as a sport gets.. I'll give ya 1k if you can go around a MX track 10 times full bore... Your arms,back,legs and mind will BURN with pain.. and you will be begging for a break.

[pokealotasmot]

What i hate is those stupid ppl who have crazy lifted trucks and never take them off the road. They are like, "Damn i took my truck on some sick ass construction on Burbank Blvd haha"

[weedtracker]

what makes me mad is all the oil and abandoned car parts along nice pristine forest trails. what makes me mad is 4x4ers totaly disregard for the enviroment. lets just drive over this tree or lets just drive though that swamp, lets smash this or lets smash over that. oh and lets see how much beer we can drink while were distroying this nice pristine meddow and oh lets throw our cans in the forest, nobody will notice..

[plisskin]

What if you live on a really rural, spread out property? Then something like that is needed just to get sum supplies. Otherwise walking to get the smallest thing would take hours.

[TiQeLReSu]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

what makes me mad is all the oil and abandoned car parts along nice pristine forest trails. what makes me mad is 4x4ers totaly disregard for the enviroment. lets just drive over this tree or lets just drive though that swamp, lets smash this or lets smash over that. oh and lets see how much beer we can drink while were distroying this nice pristine meddow and oh lets throw our cans in the forest, nobody will notice..

Most of the time you will find those are from stolen or abandoned property.. Most offroaders have WAYY to much money invested in the vehicle to be leaving parts or vehicles behind.
As far as straying off a trail or creating a new one with no regard of the environment...Of course.... there are aholes that don't think and give the sport a bad image... I can tell you that most Offroaders observe the "tread lightly" rule and are being educated more and more about the impact we could make if we don't act responsible.
Much like the low lifes that give MMJ a bad image..

[luckydog]

"what makes me mad is all the oil and abandoned car parts along nice pristine forest trails. what makes me mad is 4x4ers totaly disregard for the enviroment. lets just drive over this tree or lets just drive though that swamp, lets smash this or lets smash over that. oh and lets see how much beer we can drink while were distroying this nice pristine meddow and oh lets throw our cans in the forest, nobody will notice.."

Ummm, most trails available to 4x4 are regulated in some and usually have restricted paths on which you can travel and no diversion is allowed. Other places are 4x4 "parks" were you can go anywhere- in the park- It is dedicated for that purpose. There's usually not a lot of threat to "pristine meadows" Any trails I have been on subscribe to the "Tread Lightly" programs which are environmentally friendly.
As to the generalization of 4x4 ers as "Fat and Lazy" you would think the admin knew better than to start a flame war. Along w/ some of your other comments....
Loves me my 4x4 , If you feel the need to drag my fitness into it, come on down to the jiu-jitsu club and see if y'all are fit enough to hang.

:thumbup:

[ps-med]

I love my old 4Runner. I enjoy the challenge of driving off road. If golf can be considered a sport than I guess off-roading can as well. With the way they maintain the roads here in SoCal you almost need a 4x4 just to get back and forth. The local highway is hell on my commuter car.

[lovelyganja]

I don't really consider driving anything to be a sport...it may take skill but it doesn't really take any sort of physical prowess. So Nascar racing? Not a sport. Just a boring summer stroll around a track hundreds of times.

Sorry, I really can't stand Nascar! Haha.

[cephas]

Originally Posted by TiQeLReSu

Most of the time you will find those are from stolen or abandoned property.. Most offroaders have WAYY to much money invested in the vehicle to be leaving parts or vehicles behind.
Of course their are aholes that don't think and give the sport a bad image...
Much like the low lifes that give MMJ a bad image..

Exatcly! Don't judge everybody by a few bad seeds, that makes you no better than the Feds, LEO, or any other racist or small minded fool on the planet.

Myself and my family have off-roaded and enjoyed nature by getting as far off the beaten track as possible for years. We were at Glamis before the crowds started and have not been back since they came.

Do you have the skill, concentration, attentiveness and courage/nerves of steel to take $30,000-$100,000 worth of vehicle and put 2 wheels on the road and two wheels on the hill because part of the road has dropped off into the canyon 200 hundred plus feet below, but you don't have enough room to turn around and still want to see what's up ahead? Or do you get scared driving at the speed limit on Mullholland (sp?) DR? How about heading down a grade so steep you have to weight down the rear or flip head-over-heels? Ever had to figure out how to lift a 3000+ lb vehicle out of a sink hole when all you have is your hands, a couple friends and what's laying around the dessert? Do you know how to drive through 4 feet of pure mud and not get stuck? Or how to get out if you do? I have been doing this for years and no I am neither fat, lazy nor disrespectful to nature or my fellow man! I live in the forest and take my 4 dogs on 2 separate 1 to 2 mile hikes a day. I am strong enough to hold two pitbulls, a 100 lb bulldog/mastiff/boxer mix (Old English Bulldoggie), and a small but strong German Shepherd on leash, they try to pull but they don't get anywhere,...how many people can say the same? I don't even have to get in the car to drive to the parking lot to go hiking, I walk out of my front door and head into the forest, how "green" is that? I have also hiked and camped in places of absolute pure beauty that NO ONE who had never driven off road has ever seen, unless they hiked about 80 miles down the off-road trail, cause that's where the hiking trail starts.....and yes I am talking about approved trails in 4x4 parks, I have never in my life driven anyplace other than where the authorities said it was OK, I have never left a piece of trash or a drop of oil.

I hate the ultra-lifted trucks and the trash as much as, or more than, anybody, that is part of why I live in the forest and keep it as clean as possible, and have been a member of the Sierra Club for over a decade (a very major off-road conservationist organization). What exactly is it you do to make things better besides insult something and people you do not understand? What do you do with the cans you see on those trails? I stop, pick them up, and put them in my 4x4. Oh, and I have never drank while driving, anywhere, neither do I allow other's to, I stop and talk to people when I see them drinking and driving off road (off-roading is a community and it is normal to stop and chat with total strangers), if they don't wise up, I leave and call the sheriff/forest service...and you?

Do we need to teach people who off-road to be respectful to nature and others? Yes, absolutely we do. Let's start by being respectful towards others ourselves. Part of that is not berating what other people enjoy regardless of your personal feelings. When everybody does this, the problems with trash and oil stains and lazy, fat people will probably disappear like magic....people will probably begin losing weight because they have less self-image problems...they will become more active because they are not depressed...maybe people will even start smiling at each other randomly on the street...yielding right of way on the road, or giving enough room for people to pull out of driveways...maybe clerks at stores will pay more attention to the customers than their iphones.....maybe politicians will enact laws that actually serve their constituents...maybe popular music will start inspiring people again....maybe dumba** people will stop pretending to be things they are not (none of those shiny ultra-lifted trucks have ever really off-roaded, just like that that kid at the Beverly Center dressed in a plain white tee and a black skull cap has never been shot at or seen a gun someone's Dad didn't buy for them, and the only "hustle" he runs is conning his parents out of extra money.)


Sorry if my tone is a little aggressive, it is not intentional. I'm still learning how to make my point without being confrontational. Especially when something I care about or enjoy is being attacked/insulted,.....brings out the inner pitbull.....should'a seen me as a kid when somebody made my sister cry....or when my niece's baby daddy tried to get away with not supporting the child...

[SpirituallyEnlightened]

there are people that like to go off-roading that are WAY more fit than you....

i have a 4x4 and only taken it on some minor roads. i want to do more but dont really know where.

[luckydog]

"i have a 4x4 and only taken it on some minor roads. i want to do more but dont really know where."

Hey SE are you in SoCal? How far from Big Bear are you. Good trails there.

[SpirituallyEnlightened]

yeah LA area. cephas mentioned he knows some sites too.

[stanley]

WT, I certainly dont want to try and put words in your mouth...but....

Is it possible what you really hate is inconsiderate assholes who have no common sense, no environmental sensitivity, no concern for the future, and no concern for anything but their own entertainment?

and some of those assholes just happen to be 4 wheelers?

I used to hunt, fish, and camp a lot, and I was taught from childhood, that the right way to use the outdoors was to leave nothing but footprints...

Over the years, with the increased availability of 4X4 vehicles, it was inevitable that out of the zillion folks who use the outdoors....there are bound to be some idiot assholes.....

now, when I go to the woods, my new rule is to bring out twice the trash I take in.

[superface13]

Originally Posted by weedtracker

what makes me mad is 4x4ers totaly disregard for the enviroment. lets just drive over this tree or lets just drive though that swamp, lets smash this or lets smash over that.

Those are assholes in 4 wheel drives, not off roaders. I did Off Highway Vehicle Patrol in the Sequoia National Forest for 4 years. The off road and dirt bike clubs did WAY more volunteer work than the Sierra Club did or hiking clubs ever did. They would also be the first to nearly lynch some dumbass who was getting squirrely off the trail. Oh....and it would be a bad idea to drink a lot of beer and drive on the jeep trails around Lake Isabella.

Originally Posted by TiQeLReSu

Much like the low lifes that give MMJ a bad image..

Exactly :thumbup1:

Originally Posted by SDDC

I am a professional offroad racer for BFG Racing, I train 6 wks prior to each race 16 hours a day. Believe me racing 30+ hrs to Cabo then driving back to Mendo takes a true athlete.

Hell ya!!