[zebrasmoke]

ok, so im getting a little frustrated. we as patients have been trying to organize this rally, not just for ourselves, but everyone who does or can benifit from MMJ, now for over a month. and yet, there are only THREE wt co-ops willing to close and fight for us, with us, by our sides. what the fuck is wrong with this picture, people?!

these places will not survive without our support!
why do we not have THEIR support?!


i have been debating on calling these clubs out, on the boards. but i donot like to be aggressive, nor do i like to bad mouth people i have never met. except for bush an mccain. i would REALLY like to know why there hasnt been a bigger response.

what does your club stand for? do they stand for patients, or profit? ive heard a lot of excuses, as to why owners wont be there, or close for the day. "have to stay under the radar so we can keep access open". bullshit. you wanna stay under the radar so you can cash in on the people forced to move to a different location due to DEA. "i need to be there if theres a raid." they will raid the place wether you are there or not.
these excuses are unacceptable for "medical"establishments. your patients are your primary concerns. you "provide care" to these people. remeber that little paper you had us all sign? you need to stand up and fight. WITH us.

there have been too few responses from collectives, co-ops, dispensaries, and caregivers. i am starting to wonder if the rumors about "for profit" might actually be true. come show us different, by showing up at this rally, representing your club, AND your patients, oct 6.

atleast respond with dignity and honesty, when you choose to abandon the people who keep your bills paid.

and for those co-ops who are still THINKING about wether they should go, yes. YOU SHOULD GO. THINK OF THE RESPECT YOU WILL GET FOR STANDING UP WITH US, INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND THE SICK, LIKE THE OTHERS DO.

it has been too many weeks to play the clueless game. you all KNOW whats goin on. there have been arguments on the boards here at wt becuz of this protest. you all need to STEP UP, and do somethin for your patients, and for yourselves.

and, just for the record, i DO NOT work for any clubs anymore. i am not AFFILIATED with any CLUBS. i am just a patient now, thanks to the DEA.

[WEDDY]

I hear you on that! why there not jumping on this situation, to back up one of there own, I just don't understand..... But wait when the heat is on and the DEA messes with them, there going to want full support of everyone!!! Pay it forward!!!!!!!

[BrattonBasher]

Hey Zebra:

I can't make the protest. I am training new people at the office and Mondays are bad for me. I have dutifully contacted my reps about pending issues. I will now make this vow, and hope others will do the same.

OUT OF RESPECT TO CHARLES LYNCH AND THE MMJ MOVEMENT I WILL NOT PURCHASE MMJ ON OCTOBER 6. I WILL NOT GO INTO ANY CO-OPS ON THAT DAY.

[KushMeister]

Sorry Obama....

Zebrasmoke just got my vote!

[BigPump]

Originally Posted by zebrasmoke

there have been too few responses from collectives, co-ops, dispensaries, and caregivers. i am starting to wonder if the rumors about "for profit" might actually be true. come show us different, by showing up at this rally, representing your club, AND your patients, oct 6.

Start believing those rumors. Motivation for the movement shows a lot towards one's true intent. A lack of action and motivation toward one's own goals shows tons. That is the trend I have seen from these 400+ dispensaries. It's this capitalist system that makes just about all of us chase the money. They all came out of the cracks to suck on the teets of the money cow. They will do it as long as they can and then go back to the cracks.

[Dr.Seuscio]

Cheers to you Zebra this thread is a long time comin!!!! I have personaly heard those excuses in one or two places that I will no longer be attending.


Heres my thought: I think you should start a thread on each of the shops boards just asking what their Customers (patients) think about them supporting the rally and the movement in general and if they would respect their shops for diong that. Not an attack just a market test to see what the people they see everyday think of the idea

How bout it?

Ph.Dirty

[IndicaSativa93]

[QUOTE=zebrasmoke;615868]ok, so im getting a little frustrated. we as patients have been trying to organize this rally, not just for ourselves, but everyone who does or can benifit from MMJ, now for over a month. and yet, there are only THREE wt co-ops willing to close and fight for us, with us, by our sides. what the fuck is wrong with this picture, people?!

Yep, I totally agree with you. What is wrong? Money man, money. That's all most of these places seem to care about. Note, I said, "Seem"....if they really care about patients then they could stop calling what are effectively "prices", "donations"...if it's a donation then I should not have to pay $75 for an 1/8th. I should be able to donate what I have.

That and the fact that those that claim to be tax exempt or 5013C orgs, well, they pay California Sales tax and they sure as hell aren't 5013C's either. That is reserved for Federally approved organizations. The coops aren't federally approved. If I am wrong, please educate me. I have had a LOT of experience with actual 5013C's for about 20 years, so, I might know a little bit.

these places will not survive without our support!
why do we not have THEIR support?!


You are so right...


>and for those co-ops who are still THINKING about wether they should go, yes. >YOU SHOULD GO. THINK OF THE RESPECT YOU WILL GET FOR STANDING UP WITH >US, INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND THE SICK, LIKE THE OTHERS DO.

Yep, you are so very right and the clubs that aren't into this well, so be it. The wheel will turn eventually. The wild west days of California MMJ just might be near an end. With any luck and a LOT of sanity and common sense.

I hope for the best!


I.S.93

[WhoisTVD?]

Great post but the sad reality and answer to your conundrum is the current political state we live in. I mean really the same thing you are stating about the mmj community and the co-ops are the same things people have been screaming about since the inception of the iraq war. Yet not even half the people who were against the iraq war would come out in protest, why? Because in LA (and the majority of the states) people have become so obsessive with their own bubble world, and although have similar views are loath to actually commit to them. The exact same is valid for the mmj community.

1st The large amount of people who feel the way you do will come up with bs excuses to avoid attention and justify their lack of commitment to the movement.
-- From govt. persecution of shops that come out and protest to tracking and harassing mmj patients into submission.
-- Some co-ops/disp. just don't really care, and would rather get paid than worry about losing their business.
-- Many mmj patients could care less, as long as they get their meds, they have their "own problems" so they use deference as an excuse, "oh someone else will protest for me"
-- Some are secret mmj users and would perfer to stay that way in fear of losing their jobs or family/community reprecussion.

2nd There are many truthfully sick people who would love to protest but do not have the access or help to get out and help our community.
-- Who is assisting them to come out and protest? When most are financially and physically
incapable of coming out to protest. (its these people who are the key as they provide the best example to the media of why the mmj movement is so important)

3rd Realistically you can't expect to have a large turnout/mass mmj movement by only using a board whose main job is rating the quality/price of meds.
-- Also realize that the majority of mmj users are not members of this board or a any other mmj board, how do those people know what's going on? How to they find out about protest?
-- In order to get a maximum turnout for events such as what your proposing you can't be limited to a board that does not even consist of the all the co-op's in the greater so-cal.
-- To the same extent how many shops are on this board consistently other than to post updates on their products/services, or to deflate a bad experience, sadly not alot.

As such I believe in order to really create the type of turnout that are arguing for is, the creation of a mmj protest board, whose only job is to create a database of every single disp, in the greater socal area, and lobby them for a specific date, and a promise(WRITTEN) to have at least 1-2 rep from the shop and 3 of their patients to come out to protest. This would force people who claim to be apart of the mmj scene to either put up or shutup. Those who willingly assist in the movement can be given a positive rating for what they have done for the mmj community. Those who have refused can be given a negative rating against the community. All positive/negative correlation's should be posted on a public database.
-- The reason for posting this information on a public(or at least public to the mmj community), is so patients can know which co-ops to support(those who support the patients) and which one's they should avoid.(Those who care not)

Although this is no cure all and this is in no way an exact solution, I would hope that it could act as a solid framework/layout (easily changeable) of issues of concern you have laid out in the mmj community and ways at solving those issues.

Either way as a former co-op worker I totally support your movement to unite all involved in the mmj community into a vocal politically active group, good luck my friend and Godspeed.

---Sincerely TVD.

[Big K R]

If the clubs don't close, it looks bad for them. It shows the dea that they don't want to loose any money and that they are for profit.

[weedtracker]

you cant just demand that they help you. nobody likes being told what to do. you have to give them an incentive to want to help you. perhaps you make some kind of arragement that if people bring in a protest sign they get a discount.

and asking them to close on the day of the protest is stupid. why do you want to deny people access to their meds?

activism is a two way street, you can just demand support for your cause, you have to give support to get support.

if i owned a co-op with the way you guys act, hell no i wouldnt support you either.